Using succubus for CC in instancesFollow

You need two things :

1) A way of Seducing your mob without having to target it.
2) A way of knowing when the seduce has ended.

On top of that - you should try to position the succubus so that she is not near the main combat - but you probably know that anyway. Ask the person who is assigning targets to preferably not give you a caster to seduce.

Make the following macros - and then assign them hotkeys :

Macro a) /focus target
Macro b) /cast [target=focus] Seduction

Before the fight - select the target that needs to be seduced. Hit Hotkey A.
Sometime after the pull - use Hotkey B - to seduce the target.

When the seduction breaks or comes to an end cleanly - hit Hotkey B again. You can hit Hotkey B while you are doing other stuff - like casting shadowbolt or whatever.

Get an addon that tells you when the seduction has finished - I used dottimer myself - and it gives me a countdown aswell as doing lots of other good stuff.

EDIT : Incidentally - you can do this with fear too, or a mob that continually needs CoT being placed on it. There are lots of things you can do better once you start making use of focus and simple macros.





Edited, Sep 18th 2007 1:22pm by kbd

Using the succubus is fairly easy in concept, but hard to master. A few tips on what i usually do.

I usually through curse of shadows on the mob before or right after the seduce. Seducing is a shadow spell and CoS help it stick for the full duration.

After i seduce the first time and throw a few dots on the main target, I intentionally break the seduce with a searing pain. This is for 2 reasons. As you mentioned seduce can break early, and has a 1.5 second cast time, so by searing pain it insures the mob doesn't come up and 1-hit the succubus. It also keeps the mob off the healers as they would usually grab agro from the mob after the second seduce.

Personally i'd rather seduce a caster. Usually they have a spell that takes longer than 1.5 seconds to cast, so if you do it right there shouldn't be any reason to be taking hits. If you do have to seduce a melee your gunna have to run around a bit. Seduce the mob on one side, run to the other side so the mob has to run to get you. If your far enough away you can get the seduce back on before the mob catches up with you.

There is no comparing the succubus to sheep, or frost trap. I'm not saying they don't have thier own problems, but the succubus needs constant attention. However, once you get it mastered you will find it extremely valuable in most instances.

The most useful post I found so far about using succubus.

I recently had a good experience cc'ing for our group in Shadow Labyrinth. I was surprised they wanted me - two wars, priest and a rogue - but it turned out their first choices for cc were not on (mage).

Rogue handled one cc per fight, but some fights had more than that - esp. if there was a bad pull.

I'd never had success w/ the succubus before, but I learned how to do it - mostly what others have told you here. You can't, it seems, cast over seduce; i.e. when seduce is about to break - it just seemed to me that if I hit the "cast seduce" button that nothing happened. I learned stuff here - like searing pain before seduce to keep pet alive - sounds good.

Then seduce would break and the monster would attack my pet and hurt her, but she could get the second seduce off. This is because I'm demon specc'd (and I had my mondo-stam gear on - crazy hp's which scaled to her), and she had the hitpoints to survive. Either priest had to heal her at that point, or I had to (health funnel).

I was able to seduce four or five times in one fight this way (two wars = low dps, plus I couldn't dd cuz I was on cc mode - but I did dot the tank's main target while monitoring my cc duties).

It got very hairy when I had to cc THREE things: keep one guy cc'd, one guy feared, and a demon pet banished. But I pullled it off! Felt good.

W/ that macro, and searing pain first - hey - I feel I actually could be a cc'er in a place like SL with great confidence. Believe me, it can help you get a group if you can tell them "I got dps armor - and I got stam armor for cc - I've actually cc'd the place many times w/ much success."

Not everyone will buy it. Some people think warlocks can't cc w/ the sucubus, period, but we can.

Oh, the fear cc'ing - SL is a place where you actually CAN do it - but only if the tank knows how to really pull back. And I mean waaaay back. Some tanks just don't get how far this really is. You have to at that point tag the mob you're fear kiting and get it to run to the proper place - then fear it. Don't shirk on this. Don't shrug and say "oh well, the tank screwed up."

No, if you cast the fear, and it was too close to other mobs - and adds come - it's YOUR fault. You can SPain and pull the guy back.

The only other thing I can add is that it helps to have some sta gear when taking on this role. BUT even w/out that and w/out demon spec to have a tougher succubus, doing Searing Pain first and THEN seducing would probably yield success. To me that seems like a great trick, and I'm anxious to try it. GL!

groups are retarded, although i haven't ran a 5 man in forever. unless you're the only form of CC, the warrior should be able to tank 2-3 in non heroics, and 2 in heroics. what I did was cast curse of shadows twice on the mob after it was seduced, and that way i got aggro cemented p. much on me until it was ready to be picked up.

Destro lock with Improved imp and succubus.. I'm a bit odd.

I find that the best way for me to keep seduce on is to break it in advance with Shadowfury, then recast it while the enemy is stunned.

Only time it doesn't work out is when either it resists (not too often, but extremely annoying), or when the tank consistently breaks it, states we don't need seduce, I summon an imp, and we get wiped.

I have my Focus Target keybound. I also use a unit frame addon (pitbull). It displays my current focus in a different part. When Seduce is about to be up I try to focus on that target for a few seconds.

You're telling me your nubguard can OT heroics? Good luck. Learning to seduce is a skill useful far past normal SLab.