The Downfall of RoguesFollow

Either the rogues on your server or in your personal circle all suck horribly, or the people saying these things have never actually looked at a damage chart. I easily top the damage charts in any and all 5-mans, usually between 35-40% total damage, and my gear is only moderate at best.

Hahaha.

No, I will never be outdamaged by any other class unless they outgear me severely.

And actually, I beat people in my guild who are serious raiders.

Edited, Sep 17th 2007 2:47pm by Theophany

I've heard this a lot on my server, too. Usually retn00bs or feral druids with rogue envy.

Damage meters seems to put the lie to their big talk every time, though.

Yeah I guess the people who told you that crap don't have their statistics straight. Rogues have many things that put them in the top (or extremely near), one being energy bar that rapidly fills. They can keep going till their dura breaks, while casters need mana, etc etc. In ALL my 5-man experience I've never been outdps'd by a loladin. But by other classes, occasionally, when their gear is just out of control. I'm around where Demea sits, usually high 35-40% bracket. Really not hard...I've been with rogues that top 45% D:

Edited, Sep 18th 2007 1:20am by EliminatorX

And you were only with them for their DPS, right?

I keed, I keed.

No, really...in PuGs I'm usually 50-75% of the party damage.

And the last time I pugged I didn't have 3-4 of my epics.

It's 0.05 DPS better than my mace OH since I have a S1 mace.

Plus this way I get to weapon chain my mace.

I confirm that decent rogues shouldn't be outdamaged.

After just completing the normal questing (haven't finished a few of the 5-man quests) and easy normal instances (i.e. I stopped at Kara, not having a guild that can take me there), I ran my first heroic instance this week.

I was (logically) the one with the worst gear, all others being half purple or even full purple (I only had two purples at that time, the ingineering googles and the exhalted Aldor's sword). Still, I can up first and second was a warlock with a nice gear.

There was a second rogue, with gear far superior to mine, and he came up third, with just the tank and healer behind. Even more shocking to me was to noticed that on a long boss fight for a 5-man quest a rogue from my guild who is full purple and pve oriented (he doesn't pvp) was WAY behind me, like I was 46% and he was 28% !!!

This shows that a rogue has to know what he's doing if he wants to perform well. As a combat rogue, you can't SS-SS-SS-SS-Evisc and hope to do well. I personally usually start all fights with a 1 point SnD, unless the fights is expected to be super short (casters trash for instance). Normal elites usually die before the end of my SnD. On tougher mobs and on bosses especially, I follow up with a Rupture, then again SnD, etc... keeping those two up at all times. Unless, of course, there is no warrior and then I'll Expose Armor instead of Rupture. With Adrenalin Rush and BF, you can acutally have all three up.

Opening move for me is usually Garrote, since KS is moderately useful when there is a tank and some tank actually complain that it hinders their rage building.

Also, people on this board discuss builds a lot so we tend to end up with close to perfect builds. It's not the case of most players (for instance the rogue from my guild which I mentioned above is a combat rogue wearing a sword and a dagger... no comment).

These are very simple rules, but applying them allows me to always top the damage meter, except when there are either a warlock with great gear or a mage who's using AoE on trash or non elites.

nostra

Edited, Sep 18th 2007 10:32am by nostraaa

43% of party in heroic UB, nuff said

75% o_O? I find that hard to believe, no offense. I mean, do you have 2 others DPS'ing?

Edited, Sep 18th 2007 11:38pm by EliminatorX

Hmm, im surprised you stayed for that one. Usually those groups I make up an excuse to leave....

Meh, I wanted the rep and we weren't wiping since the tank was decent as was the healer.

It was funny when the shaman tried to say he was doing good dps, though.

Me: "Uh... <posts SW Stats info>"

Warrior: "ROFL"

Priest: "ROFL"

Christ, these are the people that completely boggle my mind. It's one thing to be retarded and try to make full sub spec sound leet, but not using a set of spells that has been staple to your class for the last 60+ levels is beyond any human logic. What the @#%^ was he doing, sending in his voidwalker and wanding it to death?

Edited, Sep 19th 2007 9:08am by Norellicus

I've honestly given up trying to understand the damage of most WoW players.

In any case, as for the discussion on hand... I have to join the group tossing their hats in with the Rogues. The only time I've ever seen my buddy's Rogue not top a damage meter is when he's competing with my BM Hunter, and he's freaking Subtlety specced.