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#27 Sep 20 2007 at 7:31 AM Rating: Decent
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I was already using some of the mouse tips you mentioned. You've given me a few new ideas though.

I have a mouse with 2 extra side buttons. Helps me loads.

Until a week ago i never even heard of keyboard turning and clicking. Completely foreign concepts to me. Its like hearing that guys are scratching their manhood with knives in their hands often these days.
#28 Sep 21 2007 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
I've been practicing mouse turning for the past few weeks, but then I stumbled upon this: Playing WoW with a PS2 Controller

As soon as I get enough time, I'm gonna give it a try.
#29 Sep 21 2007 at 4:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Liushing wrote:
I've been practicing mouse turning for the past few weeks, but then I stumbled upon this: Playing WoW with a PS2 Controller

As soon as I get enough time, I'm gonna give it a try.

Still gonna be turning too slow.
#30 Sep 22 2007 at 6:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Fantastic post. Very useful information that I plan to put into application as soon as i can. Thanks.
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#31 Sep 25 2007 at 3:55 AM Rating: Good
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I always thought I was doing it right, using my right hand to press the 1-9 and 0-= keys...

Thanks for that post. Next time I get on I'll try that. Didn't realize
you could bind so many key to the middle mouse button O.o
#32 Sep 26 2007 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
I've been using the mouse to turn since learning to circle-strafe in EQ.

But binding to the mousewheel? That never occurred to me. I'm not sure I even knew you could click it, before reading the OP.

Excellent post. I agree with others, this should be stickied or included in a guide.
#33 Sep 26 2007 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Liushing wrote:
I've been practicing mouse turning for the past few weeks, but then I stumbled upon this: Playing WoW with a PS2 Controller

As soon as I get enough time, I'm gonna give it a try.


/shudder
#34 Sep 26 2007 at 10:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Liushing wrote:
I've been practicing mouse turning for the past few weeks, but then I stumbled upon this: Playing WoW with a PS2 Controller

As soon as I get enough time, I'm gonna give it a try.


Go ahead and try it, but it sounds terrible to me.

In other news, this topic is linked at the top of nooble's guide now. woot.
#35 Oct 01 2007 at 5:32 AM Rating: Good
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Im afraid I have to ask a newbie question.

But how do you bind the abilities to the mousewheel. Is it with macro's or can you bind them ingame?
#36 Oct 01 2007 at 6:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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in game, push the escape key to access the normal menu. Click the button that says "Key-Bindings" and then what you do is...

well then what you do, my friend, is dance like you've never danced before.
#37 Oct 01 2007 at 9:04 AM Rating: Decent
I haven't set up the PS2 method yet but I think Theophany's correct--turning may still be too slow. Plus, I try to spend as much of my free time as possible playing, so I'll save the time and effort and set up my MX518 mouse for Eon's "Economy of Motion" instead.

The PS2 controller was so appealing because my arm gets sore but I'll manage. Maybe I need a new desk. =p
#38 Oct 01 2007 at 11:22 PM Rating: Good
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Eon, is there a way to bind other mouse buttons. Ive got a mouse with 3 thumb buttons. Is there a way to bind them to abilities aswell?
#39 Oct 02 2007 at 12:58 AM Rating: Good
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Never binded my abilities to the mouse buttons, but definitely gonna give it a try.

Killing an Ally with my right hand while drinking a beer with my left hand... Sounds good.

#40 Oct 02 2007 at 1:52 AM Rating: Decent
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GimliNL wrote:
Eon, is there a way to bind other mouse buttons. Ive got a mouse with 3 thumb buttons. Is there a way to bind them to abilities aswell?

Yes, there is. I personally changed my mouse buttons to F6 and F7 respectively in the mouse setup, but that's because I use them in conjunction with shift, alt, and ctrl to get 4 abilities out of each button.

You pretty much do it the same way as you bind to the mousewheel. I use bongos, so I'm not sure how well it works with the default UI.
#41 Oct 02 2007 at 3:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah depending on the mouse you might have to play with it. Some logitech mice, for instance, come with extra buttons that are bound, by default, to adjust mouse sensitivity on the fly (I believe this setup is known in some technical circles as the "retarded and useless matrix"). Logitech will send a program along with their mouse that will let you remap those keys to whatever. Usually it's best to pick something you wouldn't otherwise use, like "[" - amd then you can go about keybinding in-game just as if it were any normal mouse button.
#42 Oct 02 2007 at 5:05 AM Rating: Good
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I think I get it. Im going to try next time I log in.

What ive seen in game is that you can bind mouse function to <Action bar 3 number 1> for instance.

Is this compatible with bongos?

And I have a logitech mouse, so I will have a look in the setup of that what the option on there are.

Thanks again for the quick heads up guys. Much appriciated!
#43 Oct 02 2007 at 5:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bongos makes it easy. Go into the menu, choose keybinding mode, hover your mouse over the action bar slot you want to map, then hit whatever key or button you want it to use.
#44 Oct 02 2007 at 5:38 AM Rating: Good
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Just to clarify. Is that Blizzard menu or Bongo menu?
#45 Oct 02 2007 at 6:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bongos.
#46 Oct 02 2007 at 7:20 AM Rating: Good
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Sounds easy enough.

Cheers!
#47 Oct 02 2007 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Eon, this was a really good post. I have one thing to add.

Check to see if your mouse has the thumb key. I use it for running.

I just don't understand people who keyboard turn and who clicky for every ability. I have problems keeping track of all my abilities so I have them mapped on my number row for the ones I use most often. I have two keys I switch around for situational reasons (like, if there's no tank I switch in Expose armor for Kick or something like that).
#48 Oct 03 2007 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
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if your gonna play WOW on a laptop, keep in mind the Fn button. You'll notice some keys have a thrid symbol [1st and 2nd being the normal and shift+]

FN key works like the shift but is used for laptops to have a tertiary function on certain keys. Ussually this is for a numeric pad to be added OVER existing buttons, stuff that couldnt fit with its own key and stuff like brightness change and battery check.

Most laptops dont have a keypad, not sure how many have the Fn key though.

I use the nurmeric pad [with num lock on or it will perform your regular number key functions] for non combat stuff. links to food, profession windows, etc
#49 Oct 03 2007 at 5:18 AM Rating: Decent
oblivione wrote:
Check to see if your mouse has the thumb key. I use it for running.


!!!

Why haven't I thought of this before
#50 Oct 03 2007 at 4:18 PM Rating: Good
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I personally am a huge fan of ` (tilde, the useless key beside 1)
` is bound to stealth
alt ` is bound to vanish
ctrl ` is my drake

I also dumped my party target system, no reason for me to target party members afterall... I am a rogue, not a priest.
F1 is Evis
F2 is SnD
F3 is Rupture
F4 is Kidney Shot
F5-F8 are my various trinkets or macros that I might need handy

number keys are 1-5 that I can easily reach and Alt is an easy reach so most of my important functions go there, Ctrl just happens to fit under the pad where my little finger attatches to my hand so i can mash that with my palm pretty accurately.

1 shiv
2 SS
3 Gouge
4 kick
5 feint

ALT-1 CloS (<3 cloak... F*CK casters, for 5 sec at least)
ALT 2 blind
ALT-3 deadly throw
ALT-4 envenom
ALT-5 macro for blind mouseover. This is the best pvp macro EVER

With this setup I can still hit my wasd keys while hitting all the buttons that I need to do my job as a rogue.

I have a logitech mouse with a tilt wheel and 2 thumb buttons.

Tilt left and right I assign to my trinkets if they have a "USE:" ability
front thumb button is auto run
rear thumb button is my push-to-talk vent hotkey so that I can be doing awkward reaches with my hands and still call for help without missing a SS.


Edit: I missed my complicated stealth bar...

Stealthed :
1 - distract
2 - garrote
3 - CS
4 - pick pocket
5 - sap
6 - empty
7 - empty
8 - empty
9 - SS
0 - throw

with this setup I have my basic attack routine on just one button, garrote>SS so I can sneak up and just spam one button for a while
I put SS on number 9 so if for some reason a mob is immune to CS and garrote I have the option, but its far as hell so I am really sure that is what I wanted to do. Throw is on my stealth and unstealthed bar in the same spot, found a few situations where I need to stealth past stuff and still throw pull(aether rays for skyguard dailies).

Edited, Oct 3rd 2007 8:27pm by evilfourty
#51 Oct 04 2007 at 4:52 AM Rating: Good
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That's pretty bad.
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