Ok so I'm bored at work and felt like relaying my ZF run last night.
I was looking for an instance run. I really wanted to run Maraudon, but on my server, no one runs it, ever. So I am stuck running ZF at level 48 until I get to 50, then hopefully someone would be willing to have me come along at ST.
But until that time I am running ZF. Well I get in a group that consisted of 48 Hunter(me), a 46 Warrior, 45 mage, 45 priest, and a 46 warlock. So I get a whisper, from the warrior, telling me to watch my aggro because I am 2 levels above him. To which I reply kindly telling him I will keep it under control.
So we go in, and he marks the target, which I am suprised because it's rare to see that. Anyway, he wants the mage to sheep one mark, and me to freeze trap the other. I think it's a waste of time, because my pet could OT the other one and take it's health down while we quickly do away with the main target, but I do it anyway because I am a team player.
So now, I have growl off, I'm trapping my target, the tank is tanking his, everything is going fine. A little slower than my liking, but I can't complain. So we are progressing, and at the split(where you can go left straight to Ghaz'rilla's pool, or right to the scarabs hall) There are 2 mobs being CCed and 2 attacking the tank so to get things over quicker I use Bestial Wrath, my pet takes aggro from the tank, I get a whisper "annoying pet". Ok so I won't use bestial wrath, /sigh.
Furth down the path we are fighting, Fi is up constantly and Frenzy procs on my pet and she gets a string of like 3 crits in a row, and she gains aggro again."Annoying Pet". WTF?!? my pet is only using autoattacks and lightning breath, whatever. So now I am fighting, I wait until a quarter of life is gone before sending my pet in, I'm not even putting up hunter's mark, only doing like 2 arcane shots a fight. Basically cutting a majority of my DPS, just so this warrior doesn't get his ego hurt.
Now we are at the temple, which being an engineer I love that fight, because I go all out. I set my pet on aggressive, turn back on growl, wait for a large group of enemies to come up. I'm using everything, Bestial Wrath, Intimidation, Explosive Trap, Volley, The Big One(engineering bombs), I even summon my Mechanical Dragonling. Basically I have a blast killing things. Nothing goes wrong, no one dies, no one even comes close to dieing. But after we kill the boss, the warrior says in party chat, that I need to control, my pet better.
So I go off. I tell him look, I've taken off growl, I don't send my pet in until a quarter of their life is gone, I even turned off automatic lightning breath. I am only auto attacking and shooting 1 or 2 arcane shots per fight. How much less do you want me to do? If you can't keep aggro after all of that, then it's your problem.
So he gets pissed calls me a huntard and leaves the group. The mages gets pissed and says great we won't find another tank, I guess this run is over. I told the group to let my pet tank. We only had 2 more boss fights, so I knew everything would be fine, because I have tanked them before, but they were skeptical. So I said if I can't handle the 2 basilisks that are up here then you can leave, but give it a shot.
So I tank them, just fine, we clear the chief, and then move onto Ghaz'rilla. Kill her easily, an everyone left happy except for the warrior.
The end.
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Nice story lol
While it is true that Hunters are not made to TRULY tank, it can be done very easily w/ their pet. Growl here and there, auto-attack, lightning breath/bite/whatever, and everyone else can worry about the other stuff that suddenly appears to help the boss/creature. Don't know why ppl dont understand that.
While it is true that Hunters are not made to TRULY tank, it can be done very easily w/ their pet. Growl here and there, auto-attack, lightning breath/bite/whatever, and everyone else can worry about the other stuff that suddenly appears to help the boss/creature. Don't know why ppl dont understand that.
I agree, it is his problem.
Role of tank is nothing but aggro magnet. Some tanks think they are actually there for damage. Any actual damage they do is gravy. Many tanks switch off the agrro stuff (sunder armor, etc.) and go to damage stuff then wonder why they lose aggro.
If he's losing it to the pet, and not to you, then he really has issues. Most parties I am in would've booted him once I told them growl is off, no fancy attacks from the pet.
Luckily most groups I run with are my own guild so we know what folks can do.
Role of tank is nothing but aggro magnet. Some tanks think they are actually there for damage. Any actual damage they do is gravy. Many tanks switch off the agrro stuff (sunder armor, etc.) and go to damage stuff then wonder why they lose aggro.
If he's losing it to the pet, and not to you, then he really has issues. Most parties I am in would've booted him once I told them growl is off, no fancy attacks from the pet.
Luckily most groups I run with are my own guild so we know what folks can do.
This anecdote is almost a perfect recreation of close to every warrior I've known. I only know two exceptions.
I'm not saying "every warrior is an angry chump". But close to every warrior I've ever met seems to turn everything into a d!ck measuring competition.
That particular tank was a real nimwad, obviously. Some accept pet OT'ing ok. Nice work on the final bosses there. And, yeah, that big temple altar fight is a blast (when there's not a wipe). It's like a buffet for hunter pets.
Kudos to you. ***** slaps for the warrior.
I'm not saying "every warrior is an angry chump". But close to every warrior I've ever met seems to turn everything into a d!ck measuring competition.
That particular tank was a real nimwad, obviously. Some accept pet OT'ing ok. Nice work on the final bosses there. And, yeah, that big temple altar fight is a blast (when there's not a wipe). It's like a buffet for hunter pets.
Kudos to you. ***** slaps for the warrior.
Yeah, that was a bad warrior. Sympathies -- and props to you for using a windserpent. :) Love em still.
I have a DPS warrior alt, level 45 now, and in fact I was in ZF last night. All his points are in fury. But, here's the thing. I have a couple of pieces of tanking gear... and when I'm tanking, I am spamming Sunder and doing Taunt if necessary or Thunderclap if there's a group of mobs. That's it. Trying to do DPS while you're tanking is just stupid.
I have a DPS warrior alt, level 45 now, and in fact I was in ZF last night. All his points are in fury. But, here's the thing. I have a couple of pieces of tanking gear... and when I'm tanking, I am spamming Sunder and doing Taunt if necessary or Thunderclap if there's a group of mobs. That's it. Trying to do DPS while you're tanking is just stupid.
I would have hurt his ego. Use the pet how you want, and tell him not to tell you how to play your class if he doesn't know how to play his.
Yeah, I'm not very patient with stupid tanks. I've rolled one to 70, and do heroics/kara on him so when I'm on my hunter and a tank is stupid I probably have a lot less tolerance then other people. Besides, my friends list is full of tanks that I've grouped with and are good, so I can usually find another one.
I have done ramps once where my pet tanked the whole thing aside from the bosses. It just requires fast dps and good CC.
Edited, Sep 13th 2007 2:04pm by Xsarus
I have done ramps once where my pet tanked the whole thing aside from the bosses. It just requires fast dps and good CC.
Edited, Sep 13th 2007 2:04pm by Xsarus
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I've actually MT'd ZF before due to an incompetent tank. However, he knew he was and just said "let the pet tank" so at least he wasnt rude =P
A warrior that looses agro to a pet, that has growl off, is just plain terrible. In fact, leave the growl on. A warrior that can't maintain agro most of the time over a pet with growl needs some work anyway. LOL
Well, personally I have a 51 Warrior in addition to my Hunter/Druid/Priest/Rogue/Warlock/Second Druid/Mage/Paladin/Shaman... okay I have altism. ANYWAY!
I love tanking on my warrior. I had alot of offtime with my Warrior while I leveled two characters past TBC, and had a real life to attend to as well. Came back, found that I had completely forgotten how to tank. Right. Time to go visit Scarlet Monastery then. Went... poorly. Until we got to Cath and I had relearned the skills of tanking. Even got all the items I wanted in one run.
Now, it was time to visit the dwarves and Titan remains in Badlands. Lo and Behold, a Hunter joined. As I myself had some instancing experience with my own Hunter up to Karazhan and Heroics, I considered myself capable of noticing any... shortcomings. First thing I noticed, was an aggressive Pet. So, polite whisper time: "Excuse me, would you mind turning your pet on Passive, or at least Defensive? We got two mana users who need Manabreaks between every fourth or fifth pull. Continuous fighting is kinda dangerous here." (Dispersed between two whispers. "lol noob. Don't tell me how to do my job! Just l2tank!"
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I am currently considering hunting him down in real life, and castrating him to avoid any further breeding of idiocy and pure rudeness. I stay silent, because this was Server dead-hour and the chances of finding another group was low.
Right, next few pulls, and he had actually put his pet on Defensive. It helped. It even got aggro off those mobs I had only token aggro on, but I didn't mind much. Had enough on my plate on the big pulls, and it seemed to hold it's own until I could pick it off the pet again. "lol, cant u tank?! My pet is better tank!"
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So... full... of... hate...
"Yes, sure he is."
At this point, my groupies had realized what we had with us. All experienced people, who were leveling alts. And a Huntard. *DUNN DUNN DUUUUNNNNNNN* I got whispers about not kicking him (I was group leader) because we wouldn't find another to help out on bosses. Just to try to make the best of it.
Right about now, I am frothing at the mouth. One boss down, and some nasty buggers ahead of us. He is Multishotting sheeps, sending his pet in with Growl before I am even in combat, all the while putting out his Aimed Shot. Sidenote: Have you ever noticed that almost every Huntard is a Marksman? No offense to Caldone, but I have rarely seen BM or Surv Huntards. Anyhow, I am working my **** off. I get whispers about how the hell I can tank at all with the Hunter working against me at every turn, and I save my group repeatedly. That I have a damn fine Mage, Priest and Rogue with me that all knew how to adapt to shitty situations helped alot.
"You suck at tanking lol u don't even do dps lol"
...
Right. That's it. Gloves are coming off, you miserable piece of whitetrash cumdumpster ******* Huntard. But calmly. I still need that Ring of the last boss. I sit down, and gently explain the fact that my main is in fact a Hunter. Not entirely End-Game, but with considerably more experience with the class. I outline the various things he did wrong, and suggested various ways to improve his playstyle and grouping skills. I even gave him some (relaxed to be sure) advice on Pet control and how Threat works when it comes to Thunderclap and Sunders/Revenge and Shouts. He hasn't said a word during my little speech. The rest of the group acknowledges all this, and one who has a Hunter confirmed everything.
"lol noobs. u guys suck"
The other group members told me that they didn't mind. I exploded. Now, whatever you guys have seen on these forums when it comes to my more... annoyed utterings... I surpassed them all. A detailed description of his motley lineage, combined with various comments about his sexual preference, experience and shortcomings. His life was quite thoroughly torn apart, and (quite accurately unless my aim was off that day) every little pathetic failure in it was pulled out and smeared across his face.
He logged off.
Fast forward 30 minutes. We actually managed to Fourman the instance, and the lack of the Hunter turned out to improve our DPS, tanking and CC considerably since we weren't fixing his mistakes all the time. It was a true pleasure and joy playing with three other experienced and skilled players. We all agreed that this was perhaps the finest instance run done, after he left.
And I get a whisper from the Hunter.
"lol, I got a 70 to powerlevel me thu teh instance. Arn't u sorry you pissed me of noob?"
Fast forward two months. The Hunter is 70, and makes an application to my guild. Which I am Hunter classleader in. I accept him, for a full five minutes. And I make the announcement: "Ladies and Gentlemen. Do you guys remember the Hunter I told you about? When I was on my Warrior? Well, here he is."
A full guild of about 50 online members ridiculing the Hunter quite heavily, and almost more harshly than I had, must have taken it's toll. The fact that I got him blacklisted with almost every Kara-ready guild on the server can't have helped.
I felt... fulfilled. All fuzzy and warm, inside.
Long post. Long story. Not completely relevant to the thread, but close enough. Here is the conclusion. The very moral, of this long and possibly boring tripe. Not all Warriors turn out to be ****** Quite often, it turns out the Hunter is wrong. Indeed, it happens more often than that a Warrior is wrong. If I hadn't a Hunter myself, that one event would have prejudiced me so hard against Hunters, that I would never again be able to accept a Hunter into a group without immediately thinking he was a ******. And I would act accordingly. Many of the Tanks out there, has had similar experiences. Huntards are plentiful. And far from all of them knows the difference between Hunter and Huntard.
Don't judge the tank harshly. They have more than likely run into the same kind of moron I ran into.
I love tanking on my warrior. I had alot of offtime with my Warrior while I leveled two characters past TBC, and had a real life to attend to as well. Came back, found that I had completely forgotten how to tank. Right. Time to go visit Scarlet Monastery then. Went... poorly. Until we got to Cath and I had relearned the skills of tanking. Even got all the items I wanted in one run.
Now, it was time to visit the dwarves and Titan remains in Badlands. Lo and Behold, a Hunter joined. As I myself had some instancing experience with my own Hunter up to Karazhan and Heroics, I considered myself capable of noticing any... shortcomings. First thing I noticed, was an aggressive Pet. So, polite whisper time: "Excuse me, would you mind turning your pet on Passive, or at least Defensive? We got two mana users who need Manabreaks between every fourth or fifth pull. Continuous fighting is kinda dangerous here." (Dispersed between two whispers. "lol noob. Don't tell me how to do my job! Just l2tank!"
...
...
I am currently considering hunting him down in real life, and castrating him to avoid any further breeding of idiocy and pure rudeness. I stay silent, because this was Server dead-hour and the chances of finding another group was low.
Right, next few pulls, and he had actually put his pet on Defensive. It helped. It even got aggro off those mobs I had only token aggro on, but I didn't mind much. Had enough on my plate on the big pulls, and it seemed to hold it's own until I could pick it off the pet again. "lol, cant u tank?! My pet is better tank!"
...
So... full... of... hate...
"Yes, sure he is."
At this point, my groupies had realized what we had with us. All experienced people, who were leveling alts. And a Huntard. *DUNN DUNN DUUUUNNNNNNN* I got whispers about not kicking him (I was group leader) because we wouldn't find another to help out on bosses. Just to try to make the best of it.
Right about now, I am frothing at the mouth. One boss down, and some nasty buggers ahead of us. He is Multishotting sheeps, sending his pet in with Growl before I am even in combat, all the while putting out his Aimed Shot. Sidenote: Have you ever noticed that almost every Huntard is a Marksman? No offense to Caldone, but I have rarely seen BM or Surv Huntards. Anyhow, I am working my **** off. I get whispers about how the hell I can tank at all with the Hunter working against me at every turn, and I save my group repeatedly. That I have a damn fine Mage, Priest and Rogue with me that all knew how to adapt to shitty situations helped alot.
"You suck at tanking lol u don't even do dps lol"
...
Right. That's it. Gloves are coming off, you miserable piece of whitetrash cumdumpster ******* Huntard. But calmly. I still need that Ring of the last boss. I sit down, and gently explain the fact that my main is in fact a Hunter. Not entirely End-Game, but with considerably more experience with the class. I outline the various things he did wrong, and suggested various ways to improve his playstyle and grouping skills. I even gave him some (relaxed to be sure) advice on Pet control and how Threat works when it comes to Thunderclap and Sunders/Revenge and Shouts. He hasn't said a word during my little speech. The rest of the group acknowledges all this, and one who has a Hunter confirmed everything.
"lol noobs. u guys suck"
The other group members told me that they didn't mind. I exploded. Now, whatever you guys have seen on these forums when it comes to my more... annoyed utterings... I surpassed them all. A detailed description of his motley lineage, combined with various comments about his sexual preference, experience and shortcomings. His life was quite thoroughly torn apart, and (quite accurately unless my aim was off that day) every little pathetic failure in it was pulled out and smeared across his face.
He logged off.
Fast forward 30 minutes. We actually managed to Fourman the instance, and the lack of the Hunter turned out to improve our DPS, tanking and CC considerably since we weren't fixing his mistakes all the time. It was a true pleasure and joy playing with three other experienced and skilled players. We all agreed that this was perhaps the finest instance run done, after he left.
And I get a whisper from the Hunter.
"lol, I got a 70 to powerlevel me thu teh instance. Arn't u sorry you pissed me of noob?"
Fast forward two months. The Hunter is 70, and makes an application to my guild. Which I am Hunter classleader in. I accept him, for a full five minutes. And I make the announcement: "Ladies and Gentlemen. Do you guys remember the Hunter I told you about? When I was on my Warrior? Well, here he is."
A full guild of about 50 online members ridiculing the Hunter quite heavily, and almost more harshly than I had, must have taken it's toll. The fact that I got him blacklisted with almost every Kara-ready guild on the server can't have helped.
I felt... fulfilled. All fuzzy and warm, inside.
Long post. Long story. Not completely relevant to the thread, but close enough. Here is the conclusion. The very moral, of this long and possibly boring tripe. Not all Warriors turn out to be ****** Quite often, it turns out the Hunter is wrong. Indeed, it happens more often than that a Warrior is wrong. If I hadn't a Hunter myself, that one event would have prejudiced me so hard against Hunters, that I would never again be able to accept a Hunter into a group without immediately thinking he was a ******. And I would act accordingly. Many of the Tanks out there, has had similar experiences. Huntards are plentiful. And far from all of them knows the difference between Hunter and Huntard.
Don't judge the tank harshly. They have more than likely run into the same kind of moron I ran into.
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Have you ever noticed that almost every Huntard is a Marksman? No offense to Caldone, but I have rarely seen BM or Surv Huntards
No offence taken though it is pretty equal to me, I see hunterds of all specs, MM just seem to be more assinine than Bm because their DPS is mostly them, and with BM their DPS is split so it's not a problem is they are DPSing the **** out of everything themselves, they arent doing as much as would an MM hunter because of the fact its less on them and more on the pet.
I don't diss tanks, just people who play tanks and only tanks seem to be a bit more hot-headed and trigger happy. If you have an alt you seem to be a bit more relaxed.
Personally, I would have put him on the Realm Blacklist. My guild specifically has one of people we will not run with on our guild site.
Oh, speaking of which lol, my guild (and I mean MY guild) is recruiting :P
Either way, for some cool junk and some not so cool movies of our fights (for which I know I will be ridiculed), kiguild.dkpsystem.com
The guy taking the movies was minimizing it cause him comp is junk, I told him I would takeover from now on :P
I'm sorry, but the post about that huntard is kinda sad. This was CATH! Think about it, he had 35 more levels to learn his class skills, mature as a player, and be competent all around. And if he has Kara gear, you cant make the comment "well he said he was getting powerleveled" because Kara gear can't generally be given to you by another player, there is 5 mans and things you must get it from. Now the blacklisting with all the other guilds...fair...IF he still sucks at his hunter at 70.
It sounds to me like the group didn't know what it should've been doing. The enemies really don't hit that hard in ZF. I don't really see the need for an active tank. The run would've been smoother and quicker if the warrior was in dps mode. Heck, that place is so easy that you should've just had the pet tank the whole thing.
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I'm sorry, but the post about that huntard is kinda sad. This was CATH! Think about it, he had 35 more levels to learn his class skills, mature as a player, and be competent all around. And if he has Kara gear, you cant make the comment "well he said he was getting powerleveled" because Kara gear can't generally be given to you by another player, there is 5 mans and things you must get it from. Now the blacklisting with all the other guilds...fair...IF he still sucks at his hunter at 70.
He was talking about Uldaman. Not much harder than Cath, but the last couple hallways are definitely more intense than anything in Cath (short of aggroing the whole cathedral building).
North, that story was like Christmas morning. Especially for the deserved entire guild given humiliation and possible blacklisting everywhere. What really sucks about those huntards is not that they fail at life but they refuse to believe in their failure and somehow think that everyone else is crying and lost without them.
Wow. I've really gotta say, your rope of patience is a lot thicker than mine. I haven't done random PUGs for a long time now (usually stick with guildies and their alts) but even when I did do them, I couldn't handle that. Ok, it might have been hurting me since it makes dungeon runs harder but... I just won't tolerate that kind of stubborn inbred lunacy in a group.
If you're acting like a tard, I'll politely ask you if you can act another way. Give advice on how I think the group can work better. If I get a "lol L2F*k'n Play noob. I R awsum!" type response, I don't care how rare groups are that night, that chump is out of there. I'll talk to the party about it if need be. My own instinct, though, is to have skilled party members or no party members. Slack on the line just won't cut it.
And, yeah, I agree. When it comes to the Hunter community, there are seriously major yokel tards out there. ><
..... Sorry, gotta say it again. That whole 'bring them into the guild, only to crush their spirit and everything they hold dear': that was epic. We need a boss dropped weapon, like a crushing axe, or something, known as the NorthAI.
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I am currently considering hunting him down in real life, and castrating him to avoid any further breeding of idiocy and pure rudeness. I stay silent, because this was Server dead-hour and the chances of finding another group was low.
Wow. I've really gotta say, your rope of patience is a lot thicker than mine. I haven't done random PUGs for a long time now (usually stick with guildies and their alts) but even when I did do them, I couldn't handle that. Ok, it might have been hurting me since it makes dungeon runs harder but... I just won't tolerate that kind of stubborn inbred lunacy in a group.
If you're acting like a tard, I'll politely ask you if you can act another way. Give advice on how I think the group can work better. If I get a "lol L2F*k'n Play noob. I R awsum!" type response, I don't care how rare groups are that night, that chump is out of there. I'll talk to the party about it if need be. My own instinct, though, is to have skilled party members or no party members. Slack on the line just won't cut it.
And, yeah, I agree. When it comes to the Hunter community, there are seriously major yokel tards out there. ><
..... Sorry, gotta say it again. That whole 'bring them into the guild, only to crush their spirit and everything they hold dear': that was epic. We need a boss dropped weapon, like a crushing axe, or something, known as the NorthAI.
As a hunter I find myself constantly looking at other hunter's gear and when I group with them, I tend to see how they play. I have found only 2 people I would consider huntards and both of them were pretty severe cases.
One was dual-weilding two daggers with +int and no other stats and the rest of his gear was stacked with spirit and some strength. I let this go because I usually can make up for one character being poorly equiped if the rest of the party is fine. But then he proceeds to send his pet in on the mage's sheeped target and attempt to solo it. When the tank and myself both find ourselves yelling at him he tells us he will be soloing mobs while we focus on one because it will double our exp. We all then proceeded to watch him run into a group of casters, aggro them all and wail on a scarab (we were in ZF). We step back, watch him die, then listen at he ******* at us for being too nub to handle the adds.
One was dual-weilding two daggers with +int and no other stats and the rest of his gear was stacked with spirit and some strength. I let this go because I usually can make up for one character being poorly equiped if the rest of the party is fine. But then he proceeds to send his pet in on the mage's sheeped target and attempt to solo it. When the tank and myself both find ourselves yelling at him he tells us he will be soloing mobs while we focus on one because it will double our exp. We all then proceeded to watch him run into a group of casters, aggro them all and wail on a scarab (we were in ZF). We step back, watch him die, then listen at he ******* at us for being too nub to handle the adds.
I ran Mara on my baby hunter (dinged 49 there) with level 48 prot warrior and level 44 holy pally - we 3 manned it up to Goblin where we wiped on adds due to I guess boss aggro range.
ZF is just too easy.
Try working with your tank the best you can and do not be surprised he has prejudices against hunters.
I have yet to see some level 70 that can chain trap anything more than 2 times in row but I have seen plenty of them breaking their own traps, multishotting sheep and my seduced mob all at once and ending meleeing all around /shrug
ZF is just too easy.
Try working with your tank the best you can and do not be surprised he has prejudices against hunters.
I have yet to see some level 70 that can chain trap anything more than 2 times in row but I have seen plenty of them breaking their own traps, multishotting sheep and my seduced mob all at once and ending meleeing all around /shrug
After playing my Hunter to 70, and every other class (besides mage) to at least lvl 35, I will have to say that of all the classes you can have in a group, a Huntard and/ or a crappy tank, doesn't matter the class, cause far more wipes or just bad runs in general than any other class. Reason I say this is that almost every other class (normally) are open to a suggestion to help out the party; don't nuke so much, use more lower lvl heals more often, wait til tank has enough threat generated before you rip into the mob, etc... BUT Huntards and retarded tanks are usually hot headed douche bags who think they know how to play better than you simply because your not playing that class at the time, even after you tell him that you have a lvl 70 running Kara.
My point? Iono, Don't be retarded?
My point? Iono, Don't be retarded?
An incompetent healer will kill the group almost as fast as anything else. Having run into a few of them, the hunter tends to be the last alive and if your FD is on cooldown or gets resisted = instant wipe.
Had a healer once that kept 'inspecting' the mage and as a result, the mage got lots of heals because that was the selected 'target', the tank died every time and the healer never learned to F-key anyone.
Any class can wipe the party, but yeah, bad Hunter, Tank, Priest or Mage can do it with ease.
Had a healer once that kept 'inspecting' the mage and as a result, the mage got lots of heals because that was the selected 'target', the tank died every time and the healer never learned to F-key anyone.
Any class can wipe the party, but yeah, bad Hunter, Tank, Priest or Mage can do it with ease.
We all have horror stories about bad hunters, poor tanks, and terrible healers.
But if you get all three, or even two out of three, that know what they're doing, the party is in good hands.
I have to say, though... during all the time that I played before, I never ran into as many huntards as I have in just the few months I played Burning Crusade. Or as many unskilled tanks.
Was I just on a good server before or have the numbers really increased?
But if you get all three, or even two out of three, that know what they're doing, the party is in good hands.
I have to say, though... during all the time that I played before, I never ran into as many huntards as I have in just the few months I played Burning Crusade. Or as many unskilled tanks.
Was I just on a good server before or have the numbers really increased?
My pet easily tanked Ruul the Darkner in shadowmoon with shadowpriest healing and me for dps. When I was younger, my 65 Owl Tanked entire Blood Furnace(bosses too) with paladin healer and haven't died once and kept agro throughout. If that is not good, I don't know what is. ;p
The only lvl 70 group content that my pets have been able to tank would be the Skettis group quests.
This reminds me of what i thought to be the most funny event of my hunters career.
More funny then me seeing a lvl 70 warrior wearing all mail and asking him why and him responding "i thought warriors could only wear mail"
More funny then having a mage roll against me on a 1h sword when i was a lowbie just because he could use 1h swords. (Honestly, i don't consider myself a hunter n00b in any aspect, i know whe differance between a mage sword and a dps sword, and lets just say i never saw any mages worth a damn with that sword"
This moment, is the shinning moment above all, one that me and my guildies still enjoy today.
I call this one, "OMGZ U SUPED HUTER NOOB!"
Well i was just ganking around in Hellfire because, lets just face it, everyone loves a bit of ganking sometimes, when an IRL friend of mine asked me for some help. This kid isn't the best WoW player, in fact, this is his first 50+ so im really generous in helping him out, showing him how to handle yourself in the higher end content, etc etc. So im proud to say i've helped make him into a very pleasant pally.
Anyway, he asks me to help him and his hellfire group out cause they can't find a 5th memeber, so i say i'll do it. It's a simple Ramparts run, nothing big. The groupd consists of a pally (my friend), a rogue, a warlock, and, of course, a warrior.
So we get in, and we have no problems with CCing mobs between me and the rogue, (even though we really didn't need to) and having the tank, tank. But when we got into the 5 man pulls with those beastmasters that summon the hounds, i told the warrior to stay back and let me tank these guys. No response from him. This is when the "ABORT MISSION" sirin in my head goes off. No response from a pary memeber all ways means a bad thing for me, but i choose to ignore this because, what could honestly go wrong?
Well, i make my pulling shot, send in my pet, and tell the party to wait. I had the whole thing planned out, but that warrior, aparently he wanted to take control of everything. So he charges in, swords a blazing, (oh, did i mention he was DW as the "MT"?) and manages to smack every mob i managed to oh so perfectly pull into the perfect place. Now, i take very minimal damage from these mobs, if they even hit me at all, so my pally friend can heal me and my pet pretty well, but this tank was way under geared, so he was taking a beating, and my friend just couldn't heal through it, so the tank died. The tank then decides to make himself heard by calling my friend a good for nothing ********* among other things. My friend is about to explode at this guy, but i tell him to hold his tounge and rememeber what i thought him.
So i did a few more pulls while the warrior tried to find his way back to the instance (my friend made a ******** story about how pallys have a really long CD on their rez, and i thought it was funny so i let it slide). I got up to the 1st boss, and i took him out as the warrior was running towards us. Some crap drops, no one wants, it gets DE.
We go through that big circle area right before omar and that dragon guy, no problems. We decide to take on the guy and his dragon first. So we take out the 2 guards and the guy comes running down. I tell the group everything will go smooth if they just let me and my pet handle him. Everyone says ok, except for that damned warrior. At this point my mind was just like "BOOT HIM BOOT HIM BOOT HIM!" but i decided to ignore it and let stay.
Then it happend. It was so quick, i hardly had enough time to react. In my mind the Leeroy Jenkins movie just replayed over and over again.
The warrior rushes forward yelling, "I CAN HANDLE THIS GUY, STAY BACK AND HEAL ME". OF course he doesn't know what he's doing, with with no added dps he's failing horribly. I finally realize i should help, even though it's against my better judgement, and after a few shots i pull agro off him and finish up the boss. I knew i wasn't going to get any thanks or anything, but i was hoping he'd at least notice he'd be running back to his corpse if it wasn't for me.
But what i got was the most rude message anyone has sent me. At this point im so appauled, i dont even know what to say. But soon, this baflement (sp?) turned into rage, and i hope this person had a very fragile heart, for what i said could've easily made it emplowed(sp?) upon itself a million times over. But what i said was not enough, no, i needed more, this was 100s of PuG runs with anti-hunter warriors (all of them orcs strangly enough) exploding out of me all at once. I got onto my guild chat, knowing that at least 10 or 11 of my guildies at alt accounts for allys, a few of which were 70. I started to ask if they would kill him for me, but no, i needed to do it myself. I then borrowed a friends account and found this little ******* and pummled him into the dust over and over. He tried to run, oh how he tried, but he could never escape me. The whole time i could just remember the sheer look of terror on his face as he sees me bound towards him, weapon in hand, thirsting for his blood. It was a mighty and complete victory on my part
ANYWAY, enough of my happy memories =]. Stupid warriors are everywhere, just best to get used to them.
More funny then me seeing a lvl 70 warrior wearing all mail and asking him why and him responding "i thought warriors could only wear mail"
More funny then having a mage roll against me on a 1h sword when i was a lowbie just because he could use 1h swords. (Honestly, i don't consider myself a hunter n00b in any aspect, i know whe differance between a mage sword and a dps sword, and lets just say i never saw any mages worth a damn with that sword"
This moment, is the shinning moment above all, one that me and my guildies still enjoy today.
I call this one, "OMGZ U SUPED HUTER NOOB!"
Well i was just ganking around in Hellfire because, lets just face it, everyone loves a bit of ganking sometimes, when an IRL friend of mine asked me for some help. This kid isn't the best WoW player, in fact, this is his first 50+ so im really generous in helping him out, showing him how to handle yourself in the higher end content, etc etc. So im proud to say i've helped make him into a very pleasant pally.
Anyway, he asks me to help him and his hellfire group out cause they can't find a 5th memeber, so i say i'll do it. It's a simple Ramparts run, nothing big. The groupd consists of a pally (my friend), a rogue, a warlock, and, of course, a warrior.
So we get in, and we have no problems with CCing mobs between me and the rogue, (even though we really didn't need to) and having the tank, tank. But when we got into the 5 man pulls with those beastmasters that summon the hounds, i told the warrior to stay back and let me tank these guys. No response from him. This is when the "ABORT MISSION" sirin in my head goes off. No response from a pary memeber all ways means a bad thing for me, but i choose to ignore this because, what could honestly go wrong?
Well, i make my pulling shot, send in my pet, and tell the party to wait. I had the whole thing planned out, but that warrior, aparently he wanted to take control of everything. So he charges in, swords a blazing, (oh, did i mention he was DW as the "MT"?) and manages to smack every mob i managed to oh so perfectly pull into the perfect place. Now, i take very minimal damage from these mobs, if they even hit me at all, so my pally friend can heal me and my pet pretty well, but this tank was way under geared, so he was taking a beating, and my friend just couldn't heal through it, so the tank died. The tank then decides to make himself heard by calling my friend a good for nothing ********* among other things. My friend is about to explode at this guy, but i tell him to hold his tounge and rememeber what i thought him.
So i did a few more pulls while the warrior tried to find his way back to the instance (my friend made a ******** story about how pallys have a really long CD on their rez, and i thought it was funny so i let it slide). I got up to the 1st boss, and i took him out as the warrior was running towards us. Some crap drops, no one wants, it gets DE.
We go through that big circle area right before omar and that dragon guy, no problems. We decide to take on the guy and his dragon first. So we take out the 2 guards and the guy comes running down. I tell the group everything will go smooth if they just let me and my pet handle him. Everyone says ok, except for that damned warrior. At this point my mind was just like "BOOT HIM BOOT HIM BOOT HIM!" but i decided to ignore it and let stay.
Then it happend. It was so quick, i hardly had enough time to react. In my mind the Leeroy Jenkins movie just replayed over and over again.
The warrior rushes forward yelling, "I CAN HANDLE THIS GUY, STAY BACK AND HEAL ME". OF course he doesn't know what he's doing, with with no added dps he's failing horribly. I finally realize i should help, even though it's against my better judgement, and after a few shots i pull agro off him and finish up the boss. I knew i wasn't going to get any thanks or anything, but i was hoping he'd at least notice he'd be running back to his corpse if it wasn't for me.
But what i got was the most rude message anyone has sent me. At this point im so appauled, i dont even know what to say. But soon, this baflement (sp?) turned into rage, and i hope this person had a very fragile heart, for what i said could've easily made it emplowed(sp?) upon itself a million times over. But what i said was not enough, no, i needed more, this was 100s of PuG runs with anti-hunter warriors (all of them orcs strangly enough) exploding out of me all at once. I got onto my guild chat, knowing that at least 10 or 11 of my guildies at alt accounts for allys, a few of which were 70. I started to ask if they would kill him for me, but no, i needed to do it myself. I then borrowed a friends account and found this little ******* and pummled him into the dust over and over. He tried to run, oh how he tried, but he could never escape me. The whole time i could just remember the sheer look of terror on his face as he sees me bound towards him, weapon in hand, thirsting for his blood. It was a mighty and complete victory on my part
ANYWAY, enough of my happy memories =]. Stupid warriors are everywhere, just best to get used to them.
This reminds me of what i thought to be the most funny event of my hunters career.
More funny then me seeing a lvl 70 warrior wearing all mail and asking him why and him responding "i thought warriors could only wear mail"
More funny then having a mage roll against me on a 1h sword when i was a lowbie just because he could use 1h swords. (Honestly, i don't consider myself a hunter n00b in any aspect, i know whe differance between a mage sword and a dps sword, and lets just say i never saw any mages worth a damn with that sword"
This moment, is the shinning moment above all, one that me and my guildies still enjoy today.
I call this one, "OMGZ U SUPED HUTER NOOB!"
Well i was just ganking around in Hellfire because, lets just face it, everyone loves a bit of ganking sometimes, when an IRL friend of mine asked me for some help. This kid isn't the best WoW player, in fact, this is his first 50+ so im really generous in helping him out, showing him how to handle yourself in the higher end content, etc etc. So im proud to say i've helped make him into a very pleasant pally.
Anyway, he asks me to help him and his hellfire group out cause they can't find a 5th memeber, so i say i'll do it. It's a simple Ramparts run, nothing big. The groupd consists of a pally (my friend), a rogue, a warlock, and, of course, a warrior.
So we get in, and we have no problems with CCing mobs between me and the rogue, (even though we really didn't need to) and having the tank, tank. But when we got into the 5 man pulls with those beastmasters that summon the hounds, i told the warrior to stay back and let me tank these guys. No response from him. This is when the "ABORT MISSION" sirin in my head goes off. No response from a pary memeber all ways means a bad thing for me, but i choose to ignore this because, what could honestly go wrong?
Well, i make my pulling shot, send in my pet, and tell the party to wait. I had the whole thing planned out, but that warrior, aparently he wanted to take control of everything. So he charges in, swords a blazing, (oh, did i mention he was DW as the "MT"?) and manages to smack every mob i managed to oh so perfectly pull into the perfect place. Now, i take very minimal damage from these mobs, if they even hit me at all, so my pally friend can heal me and my pet pretty well, but this tank was way under geared, so he was taking a beating, and my friend just couldn't heal through it, so the tank died. The tank then decides to make himself heard by calling my friend a good for nothing ********* among other things. My friend is about to explode at this guy, but i tell him to hold his tounge and rememeber what i thought him.
So i did a few more pulls while the warrior tried to find his way back to the instance (my friend made a ******** story about how pallys have a really long CD on their rez, and i thought it was funny so i let it slide). I got up to the 1st boss, and i took him out as the warrior was running towards us. Some crap drops, no one wants, it gets DE.
We go through that big circle area right before omar and that dragon guy, no problems. We decide to take on the guy and his dragon first. So we take out the 2 guards and the guy comes running down. I tell the group everything will go smooth if they just let me and my pet handle him. Everyone says ok, except for that damned warrior. At this point my mind was just like "BOOT HIM BOOT HIM BOOT HIM!" but i decided to ignore it and let stay.
Then it happend. It was so quick, i hardly had enough time to react. In my mind the Leeroy Jenkins movie just replayed over and over again.
The warrior rushes forward yelling, "I CAN HANDLE THIS GUY, STAY BACK AND HEAL ME". OF course he doesn't know what he's doing, with with no added dps he's failing horribly. I finally realize i should help, even though it's against my better judgement, and after a few shots i pull agro off him and finish up the boss. I knew i wasn't going to get any thanks or anything, but i was hoping he'd at least notice he'd be running back to his corpse if it wasn't for me.
But what i got was the most rude message anyone has sent me. At this point im so appauled, i dont even know what to say. But soon, this baflement (sp?) turned into rage, and i hope this person had a very fragile heart, for what i said could've easily made it emplowed(sp?) upon itself a million times over. But what i said was not enough, no, i needed more, this was 100s of PuG runs with anti-hunter warriors (all of them orcs strangly enough) exploding out of me all at once. I got onto my guild chat, knowing that at least 10 or 11 of my guildies at alt accounts for allys, a few of which were 70. I started to ask if they would kill him for me, but no, i needed to do it myself. I then borrowed a friends account and found this little ******* and pummled him into the dust over and over. He tried to run, oh how he tried, but he could never escape me. The whole time i could just remember the sheer look of terror on his face as he sees me bound towards him, weapon in hand, thirsting for his blood. It was a mighty and complete victory on my part
ANYWAY, enough of my happy memories =]. Stupid warriors are everywhere, just best to get used to them.
More funny then me seeing a lvl 70 warrior wearing all mail and asking him why and him responding "i thought warriors could only wear mail"
More funny then having a mage roll against me on a 1h sword when i was a lowbie just because he could use 1h swords. (Honestly, i don't consider myself a hunter n00b in any aspect, i know whe differance between a mage sword and a dps sword, and lets just say i never saw any mages worth a damn with that sword"
This moment, is the shinning moment above all, one that me and my guildies still enjoy today.
I call this one, "OMGZ U SUPED HUTER NOOB!"
Well i was just ganking around in Hellfire because, lets just face it, everyone loves a bit of ganking sometimes, when an IRL friend of mine asked me for some help. This kid isn't the best WoW player, in fact, this is his first 50+ so im really generous in helping him out, showing him how to handle yourself in the higher end content, etc etc. So im proud to say i've helped make him into a very pleasant pally.
Anyway, he asks me to help him and his hellfire group out cause they can't find a 5th memeber, so i say i'll do it. It's a simple Ramparts run, nothing big. The groupd consists of a pally (my friend), a rogue, a warlock, and, of course, a warrior.
So we get in, and we have no problems with CCing mobs between me and the rogue, (even though we really didn't need to) and having the tank, tank. But when we got into the 5 man pulls with those beastmasters that summon the hounds, i told the warrior to stay back and let me tank these guys. No response from him. This is when the "ABORT MISSION" sirin in my head goes off. No response from a pary memeber all ways means a bad thing for me, but i choose to ignore this because, what could honestly go wrong?
Well, i make my pulling shot, send in my pet, and tell the party to wait. I had the whole thing planned out, but that warrior, aparently he wanted to take control of everything. So he charges in, swords a blazing, (oh, did i mention he was DW as the "MT"?) and manages to smack every mob i managed to oh so perfectly pull into the perfect place. Now, i take very minimal damage from these mobs, if they even hit me at all, so my pally friend can heal me and my pet pretty well, but this tank was way under geared, so he was taking a beating, and my friend just couldn't heal through it, so the tank died. The tank then decides to make himself heard by calling my friend a good for nothing ********* among other things. My friend is about to explode at this guy, but i tell him to hold his tounge and rememeber what i thought him.
So i did a few more pulls while the warrior tried to find his way back to the instance (my friend made a ******** story about how pallys have a really long CD on their rez, and i thought it was funny so i let it slide). I got up to the 1st boss, and i took him out as the warrior was running towards us. Some crap drops, no one wants, it gets DE.
We go through that big circle area right before omar and that dragon guy, no problems. We decide to take on the guy and his dragon first. So we take out the 2 guards and the guy comes running down. I tell the group everything will go smooth if they just let me and my pet handle him. Everyone says ok, except for that damned warrior. At this point my mind was just like "BOOT HIM BOOT HIM BOOT HIM!" but i decided to ignore it and let stay.
Then it happend. It was so quick, i hardly had enough time to react. In my mind the Leeroy Jenkins movie just replayed over and over again.
The warrior rushes forward yelling, "I CAN HANDLE THIS GUY, STAY BACK AND HEAL ME". OF course he doesn't know what he's doing, with with no added dps he's failing horribly. I finally realize i should help, even though it's against my better judgement, and after a few shots i pull agro off him and finish up the boss. I knew i wasn't going to get any thanks or anything, but i was hoping he'd at least notice he'd be running back to his corpse if it wasn't for me.
But what i got was the most rude message anyone has sent me. At this point im so appauled, i dont even know what to say. But soon, this baflement (sp?) turned into rage, and i hope this person had a very fragile heart, for what i said could've easily made it emplowed(sp?) upon itself a million times over. But what i said was not enough, no, i needed more, this was 100s of PuG runs with anti-hunter warriors (all of them orcs strangly enough) exploding out of me all at once. I got onto my guild chat, knowing that at least 10 or 11 of my guildies at alt accounts for allys, a few of which were 70. I started to ask if they would kill him for me, but no, i needed to do it myself. I then borrowed a friends account and found this little ******* and pummled him into the dust over and over. He tried to run, oh how he tried, but he could never escape me. The whole time i could just remember the sheer look of terror on his face as he sees me bound towards him, weapon in hand, thirsting for his blood. It was a mighty and complete victory on my part
ANYWAY, enough of my happy memories =]. Stupid warriors are everywhere, just best to get used to them.
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I couldn't agree more.
BTW i also use a windserpent while all those other "tough" guys have a cat. :D
well anyway it happens to me a lot too, not just with warriors but with druids too. they just don't want to understand that my pet can tank everything they can and much more, and that the group needs a healer.
Well, it seems that it will always be the hunters who are blamed for failures.
But we know that those people are warriors, who rage in at the target then yell helplessly "HEAL ME!!!!!" :D:D:D
BTW i also use a windserpent while all those other "tough" guys have a cat. :D
well anyway it happens to me a lot too, not just with warriors but with druids too. they just don't want to understand that my pet can tank everything they can and much more, and that the group needs a healer.
Well, it seems that it will always be the hunters who are blamed for failures.
But we know that those people are warriors, who rage in at the target then yell helplessly "HEAL ME!!!!!" :D:D:D
This sort of goes with the psychology that goes along with choosing classes. Though it is not 100% true because I find that people with many alts don't fill these roles and seem more balanced.
Warriors: The people who choose warriors are often the people that feel the need to be the big man on campus and be protector/guardians, sort of like a virtual jock thats why they can get arrogant/****** when their role becomes unfulfilled.
Healers: Often are the people who feel a lack of self worth, being a healer makes them feel like they are needed, this is also why you get incompetent healers because of that lack of self esteem.
Rouges: These are the people that burn ants and tear wings off butterfly's, they delight in causing others displeasure.
Hunters: You have your layed back people and your "WTF L2P NOOB" people. This may have something to do with the confusion of a hunters role in a group. The layed back people usualy stand more on the CC/Saving clothies side of hunterness while the angry people think they are there to dps and only dps.
DPS Clothies: Think of a mathlete/chess club guy + jock, they like the idea of being good at dealing damage but usualy are more humble because of their vulnerability.
Again these are traits I've noticed among many players and are not 100% absolute, some people loose these traits with experience, some dont have em in the first place. I am not pointing fingers at any 1.
Warriors: The people who choose warriors are often the people that feel the need to be the big man on campus and be protector/guardians, sort of like a virtual jock thats why they can get arrogant/****** when their role becomes unfulfilled.
Healers: Often are the people who feel a lack of self worth, being a healer makes them feel like they are needed, this is also why you get incompetent healers because of that lack of self esteem.
Rouges: These are the people that burn ants and tear wings off butterfly's, they delight in causing others displeasure.
Hunters: You have your layed back people and your "WTF L2P NOOB" people. This may have something to do with the confusion of a hunters role in a group. The layed back people usualy stand more on the CC/Saving clothies side of hunterness while the angry people think they are there to dps and only dps.
DPS Clothies: Think of a mathlete/chess club guy + jock, they like the idea of being good at dealing damage but usualy are more humble because of their vulnerability.
Again these are traits I've noticed among many players and are not 100% absolute, some people loose these traits with experience, some dont have em in the first place. I am not pointing fingers at any 1.
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