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With all these Retadin posts keep popping up, I felt like writing a speculation on what I would do to make things better. Things I would do to increase Retadin's PvP/PvE viability:

1) Add a cast time and increase duration of Repentance to 30 seconds, have a reduced or no cooldown, and have it effect Demons and Undead as well. Effectively a sheep, this will increase Retadin PvP and PvE viability by giving them a cc ability, making Repentance 10 seconds for PvP like the other cc spells/abilities.

2) Introduce a spell that does the opposite of RF, instead of increasing threat by an amount, it reduces threat by an amount, maybe 15%, you can't have both up at the same time. I was considering this to be a talent, but it would wreck any attempts for the Retadin to tank while leveling up, this leaves the Paladin open to do either.

3) Add an interrupt effect to CS, keeping it's current cd.


This retadin would have a cc for pve/pvp, a base threat reduction, and an interrupt effect. It would level the playing field a more against casters/kiters. The talents mentioned are deep into Ret, so only full retadins would be able to do this.

Whadya think?

Well like I said, the only problem with a talent that I could think of was that it's so permanent. Unlike other classes with threat reduction talents, a Paladin can be expected to tank or offtank at lower levels. While the talent would be useful at 70, before that when a Retadin can tank or offtank in an instance, it wouldn't allow him to nearly as well.

Throw it up at the far end of the tree, make it a buff, I just don't want to see "Aggro reducer, Threat reducer" mentioned in Shadowform at once.

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buffs to a paladin's dps would be great, but would then also contribute to the growing nuber of retanoobs throughout the game. If they make any adjustments to paladin's dps, youll start seeing video's of 10 paladins trying to run kara... which would be funny to see.... so many auras.... though is it probable that things may be added in the new expansion for paladins, of course they would have too... 10 more levels, equals two more teirs of talents... so who knows. Lets just not all get our hopes up....

or another cool buff would be something like a hunter's rapid killing, after getting a kill, your next three forms of holy damage are increased by 20% or something to that natue. It wouldn't be that big of an increase to the dps, but anything to prove that there are more than the hand-ful of retadins out there who know what thier doing.

i think a ret would be better off with a buff that redirects 15% of his threat at the mobs current target. making him key help for the main tanks threat generation. like a hunters misdirect, only permanent form. having a 15% threat reduction, just doesnt seem . . pally like to me.

it would give him a very specific purpose of threat managment in a team, or even a raid. and allow the ret to really open up . . . that is, if a ret had something to open up. ^.^

Edit: Having an improved seal of light talent in ret, that makes his proc's AOE would also add to the ret's utility without focusing so much on his DPS.

Edited, Sep 13th 2007 6:38pm by RuenBahamut

meh, so it requires some skill. it doesnt HAVE to be on, and the ret pally doesnt have to attack if someone pulls agro. but i think it would be a very usefull ability to enhance raid and 5man rolls(plus if he's adding threat to the tank, who is going to pull?). and it still deals with the rets issue of threat reduction.

if its just threat reduction, then all you have is another DPS. and there are plenty of those, that are far better at it. pallies are a utility class and their DPS aspect needs to keep that in mind i think.

if you try to increase DPS of ret then they would be far too powerfull with their healing themselves. the only viable option is the shadow form equivalent that seems to be the only good idea.

it may seem gimicky, but i think a tool like that would find its way to a class defining power. one ret pally means the entire team/raid can open up even more.

and you can help with miss use by making it a lvl 50+ ability. when the ret's dps starts to get left behind. late enough in the game where the player would/should know how to use a tool like that in the first place.

but of course this is all just my opinion. leave it to blizz to come up with their own broken ideas untill they accedently get it right.

edit: spelling

Edited, Sep 13th 2007 8:59pm by RuenBahamut

Well yeah, salvation can be cast on the caster, but it can be cast one everyone. In raids, where there is most likely at least one Paladin, everyone is going to have salvation, still leaving Paladins behind on the threat management.

I could just see the Rogue Grabbing aggro, then an SoC + CS double crit throws 1000 threat on the Rogue.

In my original post I never mentioned anything about increasing DPS. Decked out in Warrior gear a Paladin can throw out a substantial amount of damage, however the main reason they can't really open up is due to the lack of a base threat reduction.

I can see your point about the utility of the class remaining constant, but not every single spell/ability that the Paladin has needs to benefit everyone. Trying to make things too overpowered or too crazy will have a much harder chance I think of ever making it into the game.

Well thats why the threat reduction was only one step of my 3 step problem.

And you have no problem making people want to play ret, there are a bunch of retnoobs, retadins, and people who respecced to get into groups but would really rather want to be ret.

kinda missed what i was getting at.

people to want ret pallies on their team, not want to roll them.

Actually, I think he may be onto something, though a little off on execution. Perhaps something like making Crusader Strike give 50% of threat done to the target's target? Making it an effectively no threat attack that also helps the raid as a whole by increasing tank threat?

We can only hope this happens, though it is very doubtful. But it would make many like me and tommyguns (not that im comparing my retadin skill to his). I mean im not asking to be ranked one on the dps chart, but a bump from 4th/5th to third or possibly 2nd if u get lucky. DPS paladin, maybe something everyone knows about in the future...