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#1 Sep 12 2007 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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I recently rolled a Rogue after playing a warrior for a while. Before I put a lot of time into him, I have a few questions.
1. How does a Rogue do soloing against mobs of higher level? I have heard people say Rogues have a hard time doing yellow quests. Please tell me this is not the case.
2. Can a Rogue solo kill elites very well, or will I die too often? Occasionally I just want to run out and croak and elite.
3. Is fighting multiple mobs of my level possible? Every time I see a camp of 3-4 mobs I lust to wipe them. I couldn't do that solo with my warrior.
4. What is the handiest profession? I usually go with herb/alch so alsways have healing potions on hand. But making my own armor seems cool too...
Yes I am noob.
#2 Sep 12 2007 at 10:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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DrMayhem wrote:
1. How does a Rogue do soloing against mobs of higher level? I have heard people say Rogues have a hard time doing yellow quests. Please tell me this is not the case.

This is not the case. These are not the droids you're looking for. You can go about your business. Move along.

In all seriousness, your ability to solo entirely depends on your talent spec, and your level (and therefore access to certain talents). If you level with Combat, as you should, you'll eventually have Blade Flurry, Adrenaline Rush, and Evasion. Hit all three at the same time and you can burn down just about anything.

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2. Can a Rogue solo kill elites very well, or will I die too often? Occasionally I just want to run out and croak and elite.

It's certainly tough, but not impossible. Gouge as often as possible to regen energy, use cooldowns and potions, and if necessary, blind n' bind.

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3. Is fighting multiple mobs of my level possible? Every time I see a camp of 3-4 mobs I lust to wipe them. I couldn't do that solo with my warrior.

BF + AR + Evasion = win for soloing several enemies at once. Unfortunately, AR is on a 5min cooldown, but BF is only 3 minutes, and the Evasion cooldown can be reduced with talents.

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4. What is the handiest profession? I usually go with herb/alch so alsways have healing potions on hand. But making my own armor seems cool too...
Yes I am noob.

LWing is decent for the very low levels and for the 375 Primalstrike set. Everything in between is worthless, save a few patterns like the Riding Crop and leg armors.

Herb/alch is nice while leveling, BSing is good if you want to craft some nice maces at 70, and Engineering is great for epic goggles (again at 70). It's really up to you.
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#3 Sep 12 2007 at 10:20 AM Rating: Decent
I'll say from firsthand experience that you're going to die a lot more often if you try to play like your Warrior, fighting mobs closer to/above your level and such. Warrior solo survivability is so much higher it's not even funny.

Yellow quests are inefficient; you get the same quest completion xp whether it is red or green. Just don't let them go grey and you'll be doing much better.

Elites, YMMV based on gear/level/spec/mob.

If you have more than two mobs that are not grey beating on you simultaneously, you're likely to die. That's what we have Sap/Blind/Evasion/Blade Flurry/Adrenaline Rush for though.

You'll get plenty of potions from junkboxes/lockboxes, so I wouldn't take Alchemy specifically for that purpose, but it doesn't really matter what professions you take.
#4 Sep 12 2007 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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How does a Rogue do soloing against mobs of higher level? I have heard people say Rogues have a hard time doing yellow quests. Please tell me this is not the case.


With decent gear and spec, you should be able to easily solo mobs 3 levels above you.


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Can a Rogue solo kill elites very well, or will I die too often? Occasionally I just want to run out and croak and elite.


At what level? True, Rogues are not as easy as some classes to solo elites. Really depends on the HP of the elite and how hard they hit, and what level they are.


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Is fighting multiple mobs of my level possible? Every time I see a camp of 3-4 mobs I lust to wipe them. I couldn't do that solo with my warrior.


With the right spec it is entirely possible. Go combat swords. Sap one mob cheaphot another, then hit Blade flurry and Adrenaline Rush, and evasion. Couple BF with slice and dice, and you can take three mobs your level down very easily. Then bandage up and finish off the sapped mob.

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What is the handiest profession? I usually go with herb/alch so alsways have healing potions on hand. But making my own armor seems cool too...


The most popular seems to be herb/alch and Skinning/LW. Go with wat interests you. If you are trying to level quickly you should probably just grab two gathering skills like herb/skinning or mining/skinning.




Edited, Sep 12th 2007 11:30am by Slyyth
#5 Sep 12 2007 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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thanks for the replies everyone. Very encouraging. I am THOROUGHLY enjoying my rogue so far (only lvl 5).
#6 Sep 12 2007 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
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While I am not great at playing a Rogue and my highest Rogue is only 51, I have found that some quests that I had trouble with on my Warrior (70) were terribly easy to do with my Rogue. Of course some of the easier quests for my Warrior have been really tough to do on my Rogue. It's a totally different style of play going from Warrior to Rogue.

I find soloing most single mobs my level or slightly above to be not a major problem.

Soloing single green elites is usually doable. Anything yellow or higher really depends on the mob's abilities (if any).

Multiple mobs are tricky. I try to avoid them when possible but I have managed groupings of three yellow mobs before with a combination of sap, evasion and blind. I've also done the 'sap one, evasion, kill one, vanish, heal up, sap one, kill one, kill sapped one' for groups of three. I do love the quests where you have to kill one named mob out of a group or in a tricky to get to place since I can pop out of stealth and hit evasion and usually kill the quest mob and vanish before losing half my life.
#7 Sep 12 2007 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I love questing as a rogue. Those quests to go kill Cheiftain whatever or the leader of.. are awesome. Its so nice to stealth in, kill what you need to, quest complete. I finally started my first alt, and no stealth >< You should hear me in vent, "wtf! you mean i have to clear my way through the whole camp just to kill that one guy? this sucks!" Rogue questing can be quite easy solo and in many cases even faster than if a group were to be doing them.
#8 Sep 12 2007 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Hatebrood wrote:
I love questing as a rogue. Those quests to go kill Cheiftain whatever or the leader of.. are awesome. Its so nice to stealth in, kill what you need to, quest complete. I finally started my first alt, and no stealth >< You should hear me in vent, "wtf! you mean i have to clear my way through the whole camp just to kill that one guy? this sucks!" Rogue questing can be quite easy solo and in many cases even faster than if a group were to be doing them.


Hehe yeah stealth is very key. You really miss it when you level an alt after leveling a rogue. While rogues are great at grinding/farming, we are less versatile than some other classes which can make short work of elites and such. However, mobs around your level will drop very fast, and you take little damage once you get CS and KS. I have solo farmed elites before, it's not bad with crip/gouge kiting, but it's not nearly as efficient as it would be if you were a mage or hunter. Chances are, if the elite isn't stun/gouge-able you should only try it with your cooldowns... but like others have said... it totally depends on the mob and your build and spec. There are some elites that just seem to weak to be elites... it's just part of the game...
#9 Sep 12 2007 at 6:32 PM Rating: Decent
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This is not the case. These are not the droids you're looking for. You can go about your business. Move along.

I would agree to weird and unnatural surgery that enables me to give birth to your children just for that answer.
#10 Sep 14 2007 at 4:50 AM Rating: Decent
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I'll say from firsthand experience that you're going to die a lot more often if you try to play like your Warrior, fighting mobs closer to/above your level and such. Warrior solo survivability is so much higher it's not even funny.

My experience has been different, having played 2 warriors to 70 and a rogue to 66. For me, rogues and warriors have similar survivability, except rogues have sprint, blind, vanish, and even gouge to escape a bad situation.

When it comes to elites - rogues can solo typical elites at their own level, or even 2 levels higher, provided they are willing to burn cooldowns. The other day, my mace-spec rogue soloed a silver-border rock elemental five levels higher. Immune to poison, and armored as all hell, it took all my cooldowns plus a healing pot; I almost died.... but the elemental died first, and the experiment proved it can be done.

If you are soloing green elites you should be able to bandage and move on with no additional downtime. Perhaps no downtime vs elite casters. In fact, vs elites, I'd rather have a rogue than a warrior. Warriors are lots of fun, but they just don't have the survival tricks. For starters, rogues can keep the mob stunned a significant part of the fight.

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Yellow quests are inefficient; you get the same quest completion xp whether it is red or green. Just don't let them go grey and you'll be doing much better.

Actually, green quests give reduced XP. Having said that, I agree that you'll level quickest off green quests - zero risk of death is a plus.

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If you have more than two mobs that are not grey beating on you simultaneously, you're likely to die.

In my experience, rogues can usually survive being ambushed by two mobs their own level, without using any major cooldown ability, but it's not pleasant. If blade flurry and slice-n-dice are invoked, the fight goes fast and the rogue doesn't drop below half. You can take on groups of 4 at your own level, but it's hectic and you'll be forced to burn some cooldowns - maybe even have to vanish.

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You'll get plenty of potions from junkboxes/lockboxes, so I wouldn't take Alchemy specifically for that purpose, but it doesn't really matter what professions you take.

Tailoring is worthless to rogues, and blacksmithing is marginal, given that it's sickeningly expensive and you won't be able to wear or wield 99% of what it produces. I wouldn't rule out alchemy - the only potions you get from junkboxes are health potions well below your level. But never potions that boost agility or attack power, in my experience.

If you spend most of your time solo questing, leatherworking can significantly enhance your gear. It's won't turn you into a twink, but it supplies a dependable trickle of greens.

Engineering has some fun and expensive tricks that never seem to pan out.

Enchanting is viable but quite expensive unless you have an alt feeding you greens.
#11 Sep 14 2007 at 6:30 AM Rating: Decent
I have also leveled up a warrior to 70, and now a rogue to 70.
Most of you have hinted at it but the main thing I found is:
A Rogue vs caster elite is easy mode compared to Warrior vs Caster elite
A Warrior against higher armored Melee elites is easy mode compared to a Rogue against higher armored Melee elites.
#12 Sep 14 2007 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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CyanCentaur wrote:
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Actually, green quests give reduced XP.


i´m a noob. do green quests really really give less XP?? >_>
#13 Sep 14 2007 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
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even though I'm still low (37) I can say that I've found mining to be a great prof. Similar to the discussion about elites, you can stealth past mobs to get to the nodes. Without help from anyone else, I was making around 20g/day doing this purely by mining @ level thirty in 1k (iron to steel and mithril stacks)... not a lot of money by higher level standards, but great for a noob.

I also took enchanting so I could chant my own stuff and d/e BoPs for more g and mats. In retrospect, I would have taken skinning instead and waited till I was higher and had a better income.
#14 Sep 14 2007 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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CyanCentaur wrote:
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Actually, green quests give reduced XP.



i´m a noob. do green quests really really give less XP?? >_>


No, he is not right. Quests give the same xp for any color but grey. Once a quest is grey you get a very small amount of xp (1 point I think).

For the most part finishing green quests will earn you faster xp than stacking yellow quests because they are finished faster and yield the same xp as if they were yellow.
#15 Sep 14 2007 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Quests give the same xp for any color but grey.
Oops, according to Blizzard you are correct!
#16 Sep 14 2007 at 5:30 PM Rating: Decent
Oops you are right, according to Blizzard... green quests give full XP.
#17 Sep 15 2007 at 7:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Well what rogues are known for is stealthing to bosses in instances and killing/looting them and leaving. They can also do chest runs in mech.
#18 Sep 23 2007 at 4:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Oops you are right, according to Blizzard... green quests give full XP.


I suspect Blizzard's statement is not always correct.

My level 38 alt just handed in the first STV "Tiger Mastery" quest. The quest was green in my log. I received only 750 XP.

This seems suspiciously low. Allakhazam shows 130 XP, clearly not the full amount, while Thottbot cites 130-1250. Assuming 1250 is full XP, 750 represents a substantial reduction.
#19 Sep 23 2007 at 7:27 AM Rating: Default
as a 51 rogue i was assisination and soloed mobs up to 5 levels above me, doing this i burned through a ton of band-aids, since 50 i have been all specs and i enjoy combat swords the most. even for pvp it gives good consistent damage and you can watch their health go down. assassination wasn't so fun for me, mutilate wasn't all that great and it seemed backstab did more damage. subtlety was fun with shadowstep and the 2k ambushes makes for excellent burst dmg, but then you backstab and if that doesn't kill them your stnding there poking them with your daggers doing 100 dmg each hit... combat is my choice for PvP i never really lvled with it except a Stratholme run once. to answer your questions yes rogues can do all of these things, but i've had a hard time killing elite casters being that evasion doesn't work and multi mobs aren't soo easy
#20 Sep 23 2007 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
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pwnorama wrote:
mutilate wasn't all that great and it seemed backstab did more damage.

You were doing something (or many things) wrong. Please don't post false information ever again.
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