My 2 CentsFollow

My only request is for you to explain where anywhere I stated that "Retribution rocks! And how I came across as sounding that way. If that is the only thing you have taken from this thread then I am sorry that I somehow mislead you and I apologize for having wasted you time.

As long as you know these posters ARE ignorant and they do NOT want you to agree. They just want to tell you "I am ignorant" in a unique fashion.

Anyway, I rest my case. Good luck continuing your arguments.

The fact is that the discussions reach more than just the people we bash heads with.

The majority of the time this forum is not used by end game lvl 70 Paladins who know better, but rather by people who are interested in becoming a paladin for the first time and are interested in learning more about the class. It is for their benefit (and the purpose of increasing my gargantuan post count) that I post the responses. Not for the ret'tards who couldn't fight their way past Attumen.

Thank you for that Gaudion, very well put if I may say so. And i will concede that I have not even half the knowledge of playing the class that you and some of the others have. But that is why i posted this in the hopes that some people may see what the problem is( i know pretty naive of me) and like i have seen in this thread, explain why they believe there is a problem in stead of flaming someone and giving negative reasons for what they did.

No one can know everything about this game no matter how much some people may try to convince others that they do. I am still learning things about other classes and, though not as often, sometimes others still have to correct me on the Paladin class as well.

But if me and Bodh and Maulgak and KTurner and CapJack and any other regulars here (sans tommy; and I apologize if I left anyone out) are all saying the generally the same thing time and time again, then there is probably some truth to it.

Now here is a question that might be answerable only by a maker of the game and possible belong in a completly other thread but why have a tree, like Retribution that is according to some useless as a primary specc at end game? From most of the threads that i have read, its pretty much SOP to change after lvl 35 or 40 to either Holy or Prot spec.

Ret is the leveling build according to one Blizzard employee. While prot post lvl 35 is the new trend and does remarkably well, Ret still outperforms it in terms of leveling speed.

Perhaps ret's dismal performance at end game is to force us to be tanks and healers, lord knows the game always needs more and that Paladins are great at either. There are also discussions of Paladin being defensive as opposed to Shaman Offensive. Or being able to heal/cleanse/bubble while doing dps being OP. That is all conjecture though.

What is clear is that Blizzard has acknowledged that not all specs are viable at end game. In fact they have stated that it is not their intention to have all specs be viable in all aspects of the game. They have stated that ret is being looked at, patch 2.3 I believe, so a couple months away. We will see how that pans out.

And that is kinda of what i figured it would be, I just hate haveing the decision kind of forced. If I wanted to play Ret all the way to end game I would prefer to be able to do that. Guess I am just preaching to the choir on this though. Thanks again for the responses and guidance given.

As long as I get to see some screenshots, but He does have some valid points on what on his arguements. So we will have to wait and see.

Edited, Sep 11th 2007 1:20pm by Qiksilver

Well this has been a very well behaved thread. Took me like 20 minutes to read it all when I got into work this morning.

I'm going to second almost everyone's points in the thread.

Yeah, Ret does not work at end game, we allll realize this. It's not the posts that ask for questions/help that bother us, it's the posts that say "OMFG I RoXXoR as Ret, why you say I can't????" Then bod pulls out his retribution bashing playbook, and the OP pulls out his BG screenshots/movies, then bod goes to town on the guy, with the majority of other poster's on bod's side. (I pick out Bod just cause he loves to argue, and as such has his astronomical post count.)

And just when you thought it was allll over, someone goes and agrees with the OP in the same thread, then it starts over again and again and again.

I swear, I'm going to just copy a debate into the FAQ and from now on, all posts that say "Rets R Teh AWEXOME!" I will just refer them to that.

I played a Paladin since the beta, and I've seen the class go all over the place as it has been redone over and over again. Paladins were only cleanse-bots for a while and they couldn't tank end-game. Now they are one of the most sought-after healers and tanks. The only thing that has stayed true is that Ret is not a viable spec end-game.... though for a while they were the only ones that had BoK.