best talent tree for hunterFollow

Try BM.

I think most people throw 20 or 21 points into MM, but the rest into BM or SV. MM is usually a subspec. For PvP, MM is about equal to the others (they all have strong points in PvP).

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God, can people for once stop dissing on MM? It works great for people who know how to play it, and don't even start the **** about "well you just point and shoot" it takes just as much learnign to max your DPS and utility as any other spec.

MM can still do considerable ammounts of damage, and I still do enough damage to come within the top 2, if not the top for damage (just got beat by a Shadow Priest in my guild).

People dissing on MM makes me sad in the pants, and makes me want to go into a hole somewere and cry all night long...

Well thats silly, on my 70 BM I was using my tanking pet in all runs (No bite or claw just growl) and not even counting my pet with my damage i still out dps'd most of the group

I out DPS pretty much everyone in any group i play with, there is a guild Mage (Gaillie) fantastic mage player, who can beat me sometimes, espically if there is alot of small group to AOE. (ex. 10 Non Elites, Freeze's and AOE's all the time till dead, 800x10= 8000x5= 40,000 extra - something a hunter CANT compete with) but tbh i'd rather see the group servive then to let my head explode to say i win DPS! and Im Great... what the hell am i saying?

I WIN DPS!! IM GREAT!!!

HA HA HA!!

Edited, Sep 14th 2007 3:52am by Reccyuk

PvE (instances)- All three have their roles to play because of the party benefits. As far as pure theory and given equal player skill, BM beats the other 2, but not by much and not all the time. It really depends on how you like to play, but having more than one SV Hunter is pointless, while having more than one BM or MM Hunter just adds more DPS and party benefits.

PvP- I would personally say MM>SV>BM in PvP, but I only have limited experience and not in Arena or AV, mostly WSG and Arathi so don't take this very seriously. But in those situations, having more skills to get back into firing range is what means life or death, and MM beats the other 2 hands down.

Grinding-BM, pure and simple, a BM build can far outlast and outgrind the other 2 builds so easily it hurts. BM uses the least amount of mana and does the most amount of damage without using mana that your downtime is almost nothing (and is nothing once you get Aspect of the Viper) I was grinding in Western Plaguelands on Scarlet Lumberjacks and Knight in Northern Central WPL, while rested, and was getting about 70-80k xp an hour, which means I level'd from 56-58 in about 4.5-5 hours. I will say though that if your just questing MM beats you, only because by dumping all their mana they can out DPS you.

And I think the whole discussion to which build is better comes to this, and I realized it as I was writing the previous paragraph. Beast Mastery has the best sustained DPS of al three builds, Marksman has the highest damage but can't sustain it, and Survival is more Burst damage because of how crit heavy they are.

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I, for once, am speachless...

God, can people for once stop dissing on MM? It works great for people who know how to play it, and don't even start the sh*t about "well you just point and shoot" it takes just as much learnign to max your DPS and utility as any other spec.

MM can still do considerable ammounts of damage, and I still do enough damage to come within the top 2, if not the top for damage (just got beat by a Shadow Priest in my guild).

People dissing on MM makes me sad in the pants, and makes me want to go into a hole somewere and cry all night long...


fyi speechless means u dont type ne thing...
and uh nothing against mm (i have a couple points in there meself) im just mainly bm cuz my armor suks a bit and bm cuz it makes ur pet a tank...

Actually on 1on1, I say MM beats them all, that's right that with MM you cannot sustain your mana for much longer, but when you're going for 1on1 that mana usually gets the job done, if it doesnt, there are little blue bottles we call mana potions :D

Btw, yes the BM's dps is split nearly into two between the hunter and the pet, but in my opinion hunter getting aggro sometimes helps the battle, as hunter has many ways to get aggro off of him, like fd, disengage, scatter shot, freezing trap, wing clip and kite...... and so on. If your pet has "growl" you don't need to be a BM. Because when you get the aggro once every battle, your pet can land more hits without getting any hits because the aggroed target goes for the hunter and using the ways i told above, the hunter can avoid it without getting a single hit landed on him :D

Edited, Sep 16th 2007 6:12pm by Rutian

Be very careful to qualify statements like this one. In solo play this can be a decent and fun strategy, trying to see if you can get the mob to run to you at the point where it's going to drop dead at your feet for easy looting. And it's harmless, since the only person you're putting at risk is yourself.

In groups and raids, unless you are trying to save a squishy you never want aggro. There are fights where this can cause a total party wipe, and even in cases where it's not this extreme pulling aggro off of the tanks can cause healers and cloth DPs to die very easily if the mob moves beyond melee range of the tank and changes the aggro picture for the entire group.

Interesting as when I went BM my pet was loosing more aggro then when I was MM :)

There was a very interesting thead in here (look for "So I went BM) about me trying BM for about 3 days before I got sick of it and switched back to MM.



Yes, my problem is I use Scatter all the time, traps getting resisted in Heroics, some Warrior or Druid letting off a Demo, thunderclap or whatever, I need to scatter and kit until my trap reset is up. It is also usefull for in say SL, interupting heals from the acolytes when your silencing shot is up.

It is a very usefull shot and when utilized correctly can save your group :P

I said it before in Caldones thread about him switching to BM for 3 days. BM is one of those builds that requres a lot more "finesse" to play, and that finesse can only come with experience with the build and 3 days isn't enough to do that. Also, Caldone, there were about 15 responses to your pet losing hate saying you weren't playing the build the way it's meant to be played and you admitted to keeping your same shot rotation and dumping all of your mana into your shots and trying to play BM as if it were MM with a stonger pet, it doesn't work that way. No matter what pet you have, dumping everything you've got into your shot rotation will steal hate from your pet. Pets only generate threat from damage and growl, which is a set amount of threat unlike a warriors taunt.

I'm preaching to the choir here I know, but please Caldone, at least admit that you have been playing MM so long that you are either one or both of two things: too stuck with MM that you can't play BM well, or unwilling to change your playstyle. Both of which are fine, I can't play MM, mostly because I don't want to (which is what I think your problem with BM is), but also because I play Hunter the way BM is supposed to be played, even if I was SV or MM I would play the same.

Don't dis a build because you don't like it. Each of them has a purpose and playstyle, learn which one fits you and stick with it.

I don't doubt that you're a good player Caldone, but you're not the end all be all of Hunters by any means, you are, however and icon of MM Hunters on this forum and most likely on your server and I respect your experience if not your opinions.

Which is interesting, because I'm BM, that's my shot rotation, and my Pet holds aggro just fine also.

That would be me, and if the Armory crawlers are correct then it's true. But as we all know, just because a lot of people make a certain choice doesn't make it the best one. Just look at the last two USA Presidential elections if you need a sterling example of this theory in practice!

You might Also Try a non-standard build. I use a 0/34/27 Build, and I grudgingly love it. I don't hit #1 on the damage meter anymore(Best Friend is a Backstab specc'd Rogue), but I can Perma CC 1 mob, save the Clothies, and still out DPS the Tank. It certainly isn't the most Glorius when they pop a damage Parse, but there is more than Just damage at stake. The Healer will love you, because you can ALWAYS at the bottom of the healing Parse, the Tank will love you because with pet on passive you can keep a mob frozen indefinitely. Clothies will like you because you can save their collective Butts time and time again, and still have quite the bag of tricks.

For my Kara Attunment I took care of all the Adds, and Medivh had 98% health left when the last boss spawned. I don't know if My spcec is anywhere close to "the best", but It gets invited to Instances All the time. My Hunter's name is Marcosuave, on Aerie Peak.