Can some1 explain to me what is the difference between STR and AP.
My guildmates told e that STR is for tanking and AP for DPS,but as I know I get AP from STR.
That's a little bit confusing.
For example,I have 2 Chests.
First gives me 20 AGI,20 STA and 20 STA and the other gives me 20 AGI,20 STA and 76 AP.
What is better and why?
Tnx in advance
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First gives me 20 AGI,20 STA and 20 STA
I doubt a chest piece gives +20 sta and +20 sta lol, but I think you meant one of them to be STR...happens =]
Well I'm not sure, someone is going to have to correct me on this one, but STR= 2 AP or 2 STR = 1AP. Once again, I don't know this very well because im addicted to casting.
1 str = 2 ap.
in other words, 40 ap = 20 str. however, if you have heart of the wild, in cat form, you get +20% to your str, so therefore str is a better stat for a feral cat druid than is ap.
str isnt really a "tanking" stat for a druid. its not bad to have some str, so you hit harder and generate more threat that way, but you dont want to stack it over say, stam, armor, or agi. str, for a druid, is largely a dps stat, and preferred over straight +ap (not to be confused with +feral ap, which is awesome).
in other words, 40 ap = 20 str. however, if you have heart of the wild, in cat form, you get +20% to your str, so therefore str is a better stat for a feral cat druid than is ap.
str isnt really a "tanking" stat for a druid. its not bad to have some str, so you hit harder and generate more threat that way, but you dont want to stack it over say, stam, armor, or agi. str, for a druid, is largely a dps stat, and preferred over straight +ap (not to be confused with +feral ap, which is awesome).
Sorry for tip mistake in first post,I meant 20 STR,20 STA and 20 AGI.
Guys,i still don't get it.
Everybody told me that chest without STR bonus,but with AP bonus is for cat and chest without AP bonus and with STR is for bear.
Why is it like that cause as i can see 1 STR is 2AP and nothing else is gain from strength.
Then,Chest with bigger AP bonus is better then one with STR bonus.
Right?
Guys,i still don't get it.
Everybody told me that chest without STR bonus,but with AP bonus is for cat and chest without AP bonus and with STR is for bear.
Why is it like that cause as i can see 1 STR is 2AP and nothing else is gain from strength.
Then,Chest with bigger AP bonus is better then one with STR bonus.
Right?
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As long as the AP bonus is greater than the str*2.4 then yes.
20 agility = 20AP in CAT form only (plus %crit, dodge and armor, but that's not the point here)
20 strength = (2.4 x 20) = 48AP in feral form with HotW talent (cat and bear)
Total AP from chest 1 = 68AP
Total AP from chest 2 = (20 + 76) = 96AP
strength has nothing to do with tanking for bears, apart from a higher damage output will generate more threat - and either AP or strength stats will do that just as well.
As far as stats on the two chests go, number 2 is better for you - the agility on both is the same, so they're even on that point. The attack power of chest 1 is much lower than chest 2, so chest 2 for cat form outperforms.
Generally speaking, rogue gear is biased towards crit/AP, druid is AG/STR, but they're interchangeable.
I'd ignore any further comments from your guildmates, as they seem to be basing their opinions on warrior tanks.
Read this source for a better idea of druid stats: http://druid.wikispaces.com/Druid_Game_Mechanics
Edited, Sep 2nd 2007 10:33am by Tanq
20 strength = (2.4 x 20) = 48AP in feral form with HotW talent (cat and bear)
Total AP from chest 1 = 68AP
Total AP from chest 2 = (20 + 76) = 96AP
strength has nothing to do with tanking for bears, apart from a higher damage output will generate more threat - and either AP or strength stats will do that just as well.
As far as stats on the two chests go, number 2 is better for you - the agility on both is the same, so they're even on that point. The attack power of chest 1 is much lower than chest 2, so chest 2 for cat form outperforms.
Generally speaking, rogue gear is biased towards crit/AP, druid is AG/STR, but they're interchangeable.
I'd ignore any further comments from your guildmates, as they seem to be basing their opinions on warrior tanks.
Read this source for a better idea of druid stats: http://druid.wikispaces.com/Druid_Game_Mechanics
Edited, Sep 2nd 2007 10:33am by Tanq
Then,for exapmle..
What is better?
Gloves wich give 15 AGI,23 STA and 31 AP or gloves wich give 31 STA and 20 STR?
What is better?
Gloves wich give 15 AGI,23 STA and 31 AP or gloves wich give 31 STA and 20 STR?
In cat form, Str & Agi are both about equal value (2AP vs 1AP & some crit).
In Bear form, Agi is much better. I don't worry about STR on my tanking gear (you get enough AP & Str without having to focus on it).
Just remember that even if you have the HotW talent, 1 str is still worth more than 2.4 AP because STR gets increased by buffs like Blessing of Kings whereas AP doesn't.
In Bear form, Agi is much better. I don't worry about STR on my tanking gear (you get enough AP & Str without having to focus on it).
Just remember that even if you have the HotW talent, 1 str is still worth more than 2.4 AP because STR gets increased by buffs like Blessing of Kings whereas AP doesn't.
It depends on whether you're in cat or bear form. I listed some numbers wich I have used as guidance. Unfortunately I can't remember from which guide I got the numbers.
1 stamina = 16 health in bearform, 10.4 health in catform.
1 agility = 0.04 crit chance in both forms.
1 agility = 2 armour in bearform.
1 agility = 0.068 dodge in both forms (dodge also becomes your main mitigation after armour).
415 defense = Immunity to critical strikes when coupled with 3/3 in Survival of the Fittest.
1 strength = 2 ap.
1 agility = 1 ap in catform only.
1 critical strike rating = 0.045% crit in both forms.
1 dodge rating = 0.05% dodge in both forms.
1 hit rating = 0.06% greater chance to hit enemy.
When I tank, I try to stack as much str as possible, food, elixirs and scrolls. I find it so much easier to maintain aggro when I do more dmg.
Edited, Sep 4th 2007 8:45am by Grumorg
1 stamina = 16 health in bearform, 10.4 health in catform.
1 agility = 0.04 crit chance in both forms.
1 agility = 2 armour in bearform.
1 agility = 0.068 dodge in both forms (dodge also becomes your main mitigation after armour).
415 defense = Immunity to critical strikes when coupled with 3/3 in Survival of the Fittest.
1 strength = 2 ap.
1 agility = 1 ap in catform only.
1 critical strike rating = 0.045% crit in both forms.
1 dodge rating = 0.05% dodge in both forms.
1 hit rating = 0.06% greater chance to hit enemy.
When I tank, I try to stack as much str as possible, food, elixirs and scrolls. I find it so much easier to maintain aggro when I do more dmg.
Edited, Sep 4th 2007 8:45am by Grumorg
Grumorg wrote:
It depends on whether you're in cat or bear form. I listed some numbers wich I have used as guidance. Unfortunately I can't remember from which guide I got the numbers.
1 stamina = 16 health in bearform, 10.4 health in catform.
1 agility = 0.04 crit chance in both forms.
1 agility = 2 armour in bearform.
1 agility = 0.068 dodge in both forms (dodge also becomes your main mitigation after armour).
415 defense = Immunity to critical strikes when coupled with 3/3 in Survival of the Fittest.
1 strength = 2 ap.
1 agility = 1 ap in catform only.
1 critical strike rating = 0.045% crit in both forms.
1 dodge rating = 0.05% dodge in both forms.
1 hit rating = 0.06% greater chance to hit enemy.
1 stamina = 16 health in bearform, 10.4 health in catform.
1 agility = 0.04 crit chance in both forms.
1 agility = 2 armour in bearform.
1 agility = 0.068 dodge in both forms (dodge also becomes your main mitigation after armour).
415 defense = Immunity to critical strikes when coupled with 3/3 in Survival of the Fittest.
1 strength = 2 ap.
1 agility = 1 ap in catform only.
1 critical strike rating = 0.045% crit in both forms.
1 dodge rating = 0.05% dodge in both forms.
1 hit rating = 0.06% greater chance to hit enemy.
I *think* there are a few things here that are incomplete/incorrect, Grumorg. I'll lay out what I think they are and hope one of the uberdroods that are good at math can either confirm or deny and correct my thinking.
It's the Heart of the Wild talent that I think makes these numbers less than totally accurate. The tier Heart of the Wild gives bear form a 20% boost to stamina, and cat form a 20% boost to strength.
Stamina and HP
Base value of 1 stam to any toon is 10 HP, right?
So that's what cat should get, I think...not sure why it'd be 10.4 since cat form has no modifier to stamina.
In bear form you get the +25% stamina boost of the form itself, and if you're feral the 20% boost of HoTW. 10 + 2.5 + 2 = 14.5 HP per point of stamina. I don't think the 20% would be on top of the already-form-boosted 12.5, but even if it does, that'd be 15 HP/stam not 16.
Strength and Attack Power
I think that in cat form the 20% strength boost of HotW means that every point of +strength essentially gives you 2.4 attack power, not just 2.
Agility and Armor
This is unrelated to HotW, but I think agilty bumps your armor in all forms, for all classes even.
Edited, Sep 7th 2007 1:42pm by JeeBar
JeeBar, 2 things you are forgetting for sta:
- +3% from SotF
- +5% for taurens
So for me when doing quick calculations I use numbers close to what Grun quoted.
Precise numbers:
- night elf: 10.3 in cat, 15.45 in bear
- tauren: 10.8 in cat, 16.2 in bear
And yes the talents are multiplicative so you don't get 10 + 2 + 2.5 + 0.3 (= 14.8) but 10 * 2 * 2.5 * 1.03 = 15.45
Edited, Sep 8th 2007 5:32am by anathor
- +3% from SotF
- +5% for taurens
So for me when doing quick calculations I use numbers close to what Grun quoted.
Precise numbers:
- night elf: 10.3 in cat, 15.45 in bear
- tauren: 10.8 in cat, 16.2 in bear
And yes the talents are multiplicative so you don't get 10 + 2 + 2.5 + 0.3 (= 14.8) but 10 * 2 * 2.5 * 1.03 = 15.45
Edited, Sep 8th 2007 5:32am by anathor
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