I just started to play a warrior and I'm loving it so far... My main focus with my warrior will be PVP. I would like to hear your opinion on what the TOP 3 classes are to whatch out for... Please say why you rate them the TOP 3 and how do you deal with them.
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1. Mage.
2. Mage.
3. Mage.
Be prepared to spend a lot of time crying while in a Frost Nova.
Actually... hm.
1. Mage (especially Frost)
2. Shadow Priest
3. Affliction Warlock
The last two may not be much of an issue while leveling, but once they start getting decent gear and their full sets of talents they become horrible. Good Affliction Warlocks will just Drain Life you to death while their DoTs tick away all your HP, and Shadow Priests get a lot of armor from talents/spells and PW:S will ***** your Rage generation.
2. Mage.
3. Mage.
Be prepared to spend a lot of time crying while in a Frost Nova.
Actually... hm.
1. Mage (especially Frost)
2. Shadow Priest
3. Affliction Warlock
The last two may not be much of an issue while leveling, but once they start getting decent gear and their full sets of talents they become horrible. Good Affliction Warlocks will just Drain Life you to death while their DoTs tick away all your HP, and Shadow Priests get a lot of armor from talents/spells and PW:S will ***** your Rage generation.
I find 'good' hunters to be on the list too. Generally, not very many are 'good' enough to worry about.
If you want to pvp, I'd pick another class. Unless you want to spend 30 days of game time gearing your warrior. Either through sucking at pvp until you get enough gear (making either your team hate you, or jump botting). Or focusing on PvE content that makes you good at PvP.
1. Most Mages (Frost ESP). But if you get the jump on them, and keep hounding them, you can do it. Resilience is your friend.
2. Shadow Priest. Fear isn't an issue so much as healing and nuking and dots. Brutal combo against warriors.
3. Palidan. You just can't kill them! Unless they are 2h ret, then just let them proc 2nd wind alot.
If you want to pvp, I'd pick another class. Unless you want to spend 30 days of game time gearing your warrior. Either through sucking at pvp until you get enough gear (making either your team hate you, or jump botting). Or focusing on PvE content that makes you good at PvP.
1. Most Mages (Frost ESP). But if you get the jump on them, and keep hounding them, you can do it. Resilience is your friend.
2. Shadow Priest. Fear isn't an issue so much as healing and nuking and dots. Brutal combo against warriors.
3. Palidan. You just can't kill them! Unless they are 2h ret, then just let them proc 2nd wind alot.
We all will have our own personal opinions, so here are my top three.
1. Mages (frost)
2. Shaman (elemental) If they're geared well, they're nasty.
3. Shadow Priest; they're just annoying.
Of course it varies day by day with me. Some days I do good against mages (with lucky crits and blink and frost nova freak outs). Other days I get raped by druids because they get into bear form and do as much damage as me but have more armor and HP. If I wear them down they just shapeshift, run, heal, and they're back to bear form. Back to Shaman.
Enhancement are that much of a problem because they have reduce armor since most will either DW or have a 2h. The ones that know how to play their class and use totems, are a problem. Elemental.../sigh. Getting crit by one is not fun, plus the armor they have with the shield and their ability to heal themself because i'm sure if they're ele, they also went down the resto tree for better survivablity.
As Dev said, good hunters are hard to beat, but hard to come by. I got pwnt by a BM Hunter the other day. His strategy, send it kitty, reduce my movement speed and proceed to kite me. If I got close he would ice trap. Not fun.
I'm sure you're going to experience many of the things discussed, but you'll have your own top 3 once you become lvl 70 (if you reach it before WotLK comes out)
1. Mages (frost)
2. Shaman (elemental) If they're geared well, they're nasty.
3. Shadow Priest; they're just annoying.
Of course it varies day by day with me. Some days I do good against mages (with lucky crits and blink and frost nova freak outs). Other days I get raped by druids because they get into bear form and do as much damage as me but have more armor and HP. If I wear them down they just shapeshift, run, heal, and they're back to bear form. Back to Shaman.
Enhancement are that much of a problem because they have reduce armor since most will either DW or have a 2h. The ones that know how to play their class and use totems, are a problem. Elemental.../sigh. Getting crit by one is not fun, plus the armor they have with the shield and their ability to heal themself because i'm sure if they're ele, they also went down the resto tree for better survivablity.
As Dev said, good hunters are hard to beat, but hard to come by. I got pwnt by a BM Hunter the other day. His strategy, send it kitty, reduce my movement speed and proceed to kite me. If I got close he would ice trap. Not fun.
I'm sure you're going to experience many of the things discussed, but you'll have your own top 3 once you become lvl 70 (if you reach it before WotLK comes out)
1. Shadow priests (rage starvation).
2. Affliction warlocks (warriors are the first I go for)
3. Frost Mages / Good* Hunters
*Because most average hunters can be easily beaten with stance dancing, trap avoidance (charge/intercept), and side-stepping.
4. Paladins are hard to kill, but it is* possible as long as you have gear/lvl advantage. The best way to do this is to knock them away (stay behind them like a rogue on a mage), and build up rage for a quick execute. Hard enough that you're better going after another class.
5. Shammy ... ehhh, they can have great dps with decent survivability, but I haven't had a problem yet.
2. Affliction warlocks (warriors are the first I go for)
3. Frost Mages / Good* Hunters
*Because most average hunters can be easily beaten with stance dancing, trap avoidance (charge/intercept), and side-stepping.
4. Paladins are hard to kill, but it is* possible as long as you have gear/lvl advantage. The best way to do this is to knock them away (stay behind them like a rogue on a mage), and build up rage for a quick execute. Hard enough that you're better going after another class.
5. Shammy ... ehhh, they can have great dps with decent survivability, but I haven't had a problem yet.
Im surprised no one said anything about...
1. FERAL DRUIDS
By far, nothing annoys me more than having a tauren druid in bear form laugh at me while they barg around in 20k armor. My white crits are hitting for like 800. -_-
2. Shadow Priests
Shield=no rage. They do like to spam melt-face... err I mean, mind-flay.
3. Affliction Locks
For all the reasons previously stated. Lots of dots >_<
I find that mages aren't that bad. Alliance trinket throws them off equilibrium most of the time. Use it to get out of nova and intercept+pummel them. Its pretty easy there after with a MS+whirlwind.
1. FERAL DRUIDS
By far, nothing annoys me more than having a tauren druid in bear form laugh at me while they barg around in 20k armor. My white crits are hitting for like 800. -_-
2. Shadow Priests
Shield=no rage. They do like to spam melt-face... err I mean, mind-flay.
3. Affliction Locks
For all the reasons previously stated. Lots of dots >_<
I find that mages aren't that bad. Alliance trinket throws them off equilibrium most of the time. Use it to get out of nova and intercept+pummel them. Its pretty easy there after with a MS+whirlwind.
mages, paladins, warlocks with deathcoil up or... shammies of the elemental variety.
and again for the best quote ever
FROST NOVA? HAH! I'LL JUST PEE ON MY FOOT AND THAW IT OUT!
and again for the best quote ever
FROST NOVA? HAH! I'LL JUST PEE ON MY FOOT AND THAW IT OUT!
Elemental Shaman are easy. o.O
They perfectly telegraph all of their abilities (all the ones that do significant damage, anyway). You see them charging up Chain Lighting, use a Spell Reflect macro and let them eat the damage. Pummel (or Shield Bash) the next Lightning Bolt, then procede to stomp them into the ground. By the time they can get another spell off Spell Reflect should be back off cooldown, and then it's all over.
They perfectly telegraph all of their abilities (all the ones that do significant damage, anyway). You see them charging up Chain Lighting, use a Spell Reflect macro and let them eat the damage. Pummel (or Shield Bash) the next Lightning Bolt, then procede to stomp them into the ground. By the time they can get another spell off Spell Reflect should be back off cooldown, and then it's all over.
let me fix that, very well geared elemental shammies who know what they're doing ;)
Eh. Even with quite good gearing (and a lot of them are rather well geared), they're not too hard to defeat... definitely not one of the hardest classes. Just too easy to disrupt and no evasion. Hell, even if they cancel the Chain Lightning/LBolt they've wasted far too much time, and you've spent that entire time beating them upside the head. Even with their high armor you can burn through them in most cases well before they'll burn through you.
eh, theyre a bit harder for me still than other classes... i mean druids? nbd really with decent gear, rogues are a joke with 2h's [except MAAAAAAAAAYBE SF/prep rogues]
priests? meh, pummel their mindblast and gg [assuming again, you're decent geared]
hunters... very few good ones out there, and after you challenging shout and get the pet on you [at which point they usually frost trap and.. it doesnt do anything] it's a pretty easy fight
although now a days everything depends on resilience which is damn stupid. if you're taking in [a lot of] resilience, then my top 3 hardest classes is every class.
oh i forgot about resto shammies, theyre kind of tough at times.
Edited, Aug 31st 2007 4:29pm by russki
priests? meh, pummel their mindblast and gg [assuming again, you're decent geared]
hunters... very few good ones out there, and after you challenging shout and get the pet on you [at which point they usually frost trap and.. it doesnt do anything] it's a pretty easy fight
although now a days everything depends on resilience which is damn stupid. if you're taking in [a lot of] resilience, then my top 3 hardest classes is every class.
oh i forgot about resto shammies, theyre kind of tough at times.
Edited, Aug 31st 2007 4:29pm by russki
1. a well played frost mage. The scrubs are easy to kill
2. mace spec warriros with stormherald (i play with swords) the lucky stunns killed me so many times 1v1 that it made me consider going mace
3. Affliction locks with decent gear/resilence. Thescrubs are easy to kill. But the smart ones just know how to drain your life easy.
now if i were to make a forth i would say a tie between a well geared retnub or shockidan. But then its all about who gets in more crits.
Now then do you want to know secreat about pvp. Is that a yes? Well then here goes....NEVER PEEVEEPEE ALONE. Sure you can do great alone but you do your best with people you know. That is all that needs to be said.
2. mace spec warriros with stormherald (i play with swords) the lucky stunns killed me so many times 1v1 that it made me consider going mace
3. Affliction locks with decent gear/resilence. Thescrubs are easy to kill. But the smart ones just know how to drain your life easy.
now if i were to make a forth i would say a tie between a well geared retnub or shockidan. But then its all about who gets in more crits.
Now then do you want to know secreat about pvp. Is that a yes? Well then here goes....NEVER PEEVEEPEE ALONE. Sure you can do great alone but you do your best with people you know. That is all that needs to be said.
1) Shadow Priest: even with Deathwish & Berzerker Rage they seem to leave a mark. I won't stop for a 1-on-1 with them -_-
2) Mage: doesn't even have to be a frosty, I don't seem to lose to often (haven't come across alot of smart ones yet) but I have a Frost Mage and know from expirence they can own a warrior, hands down.
3) Paladin: I only say this because I can never take one out fast enough before his buddies arrive. I have yet to kill a pally before getting tag-teamed. Same goes for Bear Druids, but I find them easier than paladins (timing spell interupts is much easier).
With Deathwish; Warlocks aren't a problem anymore. 30sec is enough time to kill them. Before I had Deathwish... they were on top with Shadow Priests.
Kz
2) Mage: doesn't even have to be a frosty, I don't seem to lose to often (haven't come across alot of smart ones yet) but I have a Frost Mage and know from expirence they can own a warrior, hands down.
3) Paladin: I only say this because I can never take one out fast enough before his buddies arrive. I have yet to kill a pally before getting tag-teamed. Same goes for Bear Druids, but I find them easier than paladins (timing spell interupts is much easier).
With Deathwish; Warlocks aren't a problem anymore. 30sec is enough time to kill them. Before I had Deathwish... they were on top with Shadow Priests.
Kz
1. Mages: Learn to just go the other way.
2. Shadow Priest: I actually can kill them its just not easy nor consistent in a BG. Their fear has a faster cooldown than your ability to get out of it. Once they kite you its over.
3. Palidan/Druid/MM Hunter with friends: Any one of these is ok 1v1 if you are on your game. Add one DoT and you're toast.
With my current build its 3 ways to deal with fear (Ber. Rage, Deathwish, Insignia.) Add a moderate, and growing, resilience and thats a good amount of surviving right there.
Learn to be a bouncy *****. Stop only to slam.
Mace warriors: It comes down to resilience and knowing your character.
Palidans: Get behind them, MS, and time your Execute. If not you'll have to run them out of mana.
Rogues= Easy Meat.
Get on them, stay on them, and be ready to dance through buttons and stances as the need fits.
Edited, Sep 5th 2007 2:18pm by Kharnakk
Edited, Sep 5th 2007 2:37pm by Kharnakk
2. Shadow Priest: I actually can kill them its just not easy nor consistent in a BG. Their fear has a faster cooldown than your ability to get out of it. Once they kite you its over.
3. Palidan/Druid/MM Hunter with friends: Any one of these is ok 1v1 if you are on your game. Add one DoT and you're toast.
With my current build its 3 ways to deal with fear (Ber. Rage, Deathwish, Insignia.) Add a moderate, and growing, resilience and thats a good amount of surviving right there.
Learn to be a bouncy *****. Stop only to slam.
Mace warriors: It comes down to resilience and knowing your character.
Palidans: Get behind them, MS, and time your Execute. If not you'll have to run them out of mana.
Rogues= Easy Meat.
Get on them, stay on them, and be ready to dance through buttons and stances as the need fits.
Edited, Sep 5th 2007 2:18pm by Kharnakk
Edited, Sep 5th 2007 2:37pm by Kharnakk
i just like to add that if you are a gnome warrior, you dont really have to worry about mages as much. i am not braggin about how good i am...... it's the escape artist ability that makes the difference.
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