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Honestly, a 9% increase to your damage is nice, but when taken into account that it only comes during your kidney shot, you realize that there are better talents such as FF, which not only bring amazing benefits, but it brings them all the time. Not to mention it's a free 3/5 camoflauge.

And combat rogues DO use KS, probably more than any other rogue would because of Suprise Attacks making it undogeable.

Please do not try to prove Theo wrong. Not trying to kiss his *** or anything, but he knows more than you on the rogue class. Imp SnD is VERY useful, so is FF (IMO Imp SnD is much more effective in arena than imp gouge, especially in 3v3's and 5v5's). Murder is also pretty nice, an extra 2% to damage and 4% to crits(look at the spec of all serious raiding rogues and it'll have murder. Overall, it is a nice boost to long-term DPS, which is what Muti/combat is good for). A mongoose proc simply cannot replace an SnD.

EDIT: BTW, imp gouge is included in the build.

Edited, Aug 28th 2007 1:17am by EliminatorX

Edited, Aug 28th 2007 1:19am by EliminatorX

I disagree with a few of the points theo suggested to add in his build, but he's got the right idea.

Imp KS used to be all the rage, but it's only really helpful for ~6 seconds every fight, and that's if they don't resist it in the first place -_-.

I wouldn't advise points in SnD just because I don't think it's a good option for daggers: although I'd definitely use it if my opponent was about to die to get some groundwork on the next one, I don't think I'd use it on one still up. EA and KS are definitely better choices, and I would hope that by the time I get another 5 points for Eviscerate the target will be dead...

But other than that, yea Theo has the right idea with his build. 41/20 is definitely amazing: dual wield spec and imp sprint are god-like (imp sprint may not be so much if the rumored sprint change is true, then I would definitely put the points in SnD unless they changed the imp sprint talent).

Edit:

And pointing out his hit and AP is a bit unfair: combat pve rogues usually have more of both. Look at Hb, my Hit/AP is higher than his but I'm by no means better than him, and I think the same goes for you Korz.

Edited, Aug 28th 2007 10:20am by Shaolinz

Honestly, you can stop talking any time, Shao. SnD is great for any build; it gets you more poison procs, and while it won't get you combat potency procs like it will for full combat, it'll definitely allow you to PvE better.

There's also the fact that there's no better talents within reach of a mut rogue when you take SnD.

As to AP and hit comparisons, yeah, it is fair. My PvP gear has 200 more AP and 2k more HP, and my PvP gear is almost all blues.

I'm still not a fan of SnD over the other finishers. For a raid setting it's by far the best choice but in burst pvp long fights are generally bad ones (again speaking as a dagger rogue).

Personal opinion I guess.

Edit: And I don't understand why your posts are always so aggressive and quick to strike on a personal nature. You speak as if you're a rogue god, and for some time I thought you were. I armoried you and unless you have another rogue you play on, you're no different from the rest of us: constantly trying to better ourselves. It's ok to be wrong on a few points, I know I've had more than my share of wrong standings (the "daggers being gimped" rant turned out to be pretty unsupported, seeing as how must arena rogues are actually daggers). I'm all for flaming newbs and people who ask questions stupidly, but people who just simply disagree with your points shouldn't be subject to personal insult for the sole reason of disagreeing.

I mean really, it is just a game bro.


Edited, Aug 28th 2007 3:09pm by Shaolinz

At least we got that out of the way.

I love those poison talents, and I'm a REAL fan of master poisoner.

Mutilate is truly dangerous when you spec for dual wield spec. Since that requires 41/20/0 to pull off, you can't really put more points into assassination.

You could pump more into it if you were sub, but I'd just go combat mutilate.

The ONLY advantage sub. mutilate has over combat mutilate is you're harder to detect in stealth (MoD) and if you're any kind of rogue you can learn how to move around the battlefield well enough that you shouldn't have to rely on that "safety net".

So reforming my old post:

Dagger pvp isn't broken: Combat Mutilate is insane. But the sub tree is once again useless in every way, shape or form.

Shivs hitting harder, OH crit Muts doing more damage, Mut in general dealing more damage, lack of missing, increased PvE viability, etc.

Versus very minimal talents in Sub.

It's funny how back when I was combat mutilate, people kept telling me I should go sub mutilate for pvp.