Just speced survFollow

I was viewing the 2% more agility in terms of trying to determine the highest agility it is possible to get, not what someone would actually do with a build.

I only have 800 Agi raidbuffed (give or take) and I give 200ap Raidwide. Where did you get that number?

I think what they meant was that going from 800 agil up to 1000 agil only buffs the group an additional 50 ap, while gimping thier own ap. I understood what was said...not the overall ap bonus from EW, but the additional from raising say 800 agil to 1000. I still think pushing that much agil is to extreme. 800 is the number Im shooting for while trying to keep good crit/ap/int to balance out.

Well thats cool then. Im gimped in so many areas its not even funny, but my guild can't even manage to get enough for Kara most of the time since everyone is on at so different of times. Ugh...probably a good time to look for a new guild that can actually get enough people to raid eh? Grats to you for uber high number of agility.

Wall of stupidity crits me 1,000,000.00.....I die and suffer 10% durability loss.

Did you miss the part where he's got 11955 Health? Troll...

Edit: Removed my quotation of the now sub-default eatyerkidz post. Why give him any free air time?

Edited, Sep 7th 2007 4:16pm by Kompera

could you link your armory profile?

I specc'ed over to survival for a few days. I guess my gear just isn't up to par yet. I specc'ed back to Marks for now.

Things to consider when going from MM to SV:

Trap Cooldowns and duration were incredible.
(But no more Silencing Shot for pulling casters into traps)
Deterrence is GOD for PvP
(Solo questing was a pain in the ***. My cat couldn't even hold aggro)
Seeing my Agility and Crit rating go so high was nice
(But DPS gets cut in half if your Agility isn't high enough.)

There were things about it that were really cool (like popping Deterrence in WSG while carrying the flag. I CAPTURED IT!), but overall... I'm not ready.

I can't wait until it's possible to get Silencing Shot and Resourcefulness in the same build. GO GO LICH KING!

Edited, Sep 9th 2007 3:43pm by ProjectMidnight

Well, just to toot the Surv Hunter's horn a little bit:

I am Surv myself these days. Talent build

Toting the Sunfury bow, a few epics (have had too little online time to gather up two Primal Nether's for my boots) and a few selected enchants, I can throw around 800ish Agility around in a raid, depending on how much I could afford to throw after Elixirs/Flasks.

And I outDPS anything but two of the Guild Rogues. They are constantly higher than me, and the rest of the DPS people are going up and down next to me. As the only Surv Hunter in the guild, I was kind of thrown when I found that my subordinates (I am classleader, and the rest is BM) had lower DPS than me. After spending a few minutes with each of the Hunters under my care, I found that two hadn't installed an Autoshot timer, and thus lost some DPS from delayed Autoshots/Steadyshots. One of my Hunters had a bad connection and couldn't really keep the delays gone anyway. And the two last Hunters got a Warning when they claimed they could just sit back and Autoshoot. That's what they used to do in BWL after all.

My DPS stands back for no-one! I may be lower on the Damage Meters than a nonlagging, good BM Hunter. Those two Rogues might outDPS me. But I do more than my share, and the raid has never lacked the necessary DPS from my end. Anyone claiming Surv isn't a DPS build, is thinking way too much about Min/Maxing their specc, when the true difference is so very very low.

When deciding on specc, don't give a damn about DPS. Don't care where on the Damage Meters you will end up. That is not your job in a raid, unless you are a Rogue. And even they will have other tasks to consider depending on bosses. We are Hunters. We provide safety to the Raid. Our Misdirection, Expose Weakness/Ferocious inspiration, our three seconds OH SHI~ tank at our side, traps and general overview of the fight/tracking. Hell, if the **** really hits the fan and our healers are running out of mana, I can Distracting Shot the boss and Deterrence tank him for long enough that the tank has bandaged/popped a potion, and Feign the aggro back to the tank.

Never think in DPS terms when choosing a specc. We are waaaay more than DPS. The only thing to consider, is what kind of specc will your gear/gearplans support.

Of course. But no matter your specc, your skill/reflexes/overview/Gear-to-Specc will still mean more on the Damage Meters than which tree you specialize in. My point was more that the difference in DPS between speccs are far less than some people think. You can do more than enough DPS as Surv. But you can't stack two Expose Weakness. You can do enough DPS as Marksman, but you will have to gear/specc for Mana Efficiency. You can do enough DPS as Beastmastery, but you will have to control your pet accordingly. All speccs do enough DPS. It is your own skill as a Hunter that truly makes the difference on the Damage Meters.


I didn't know that, to be honest. Well, when I suddenly get a chunk of Gold I won't need immediately, I'll go visit the Hunter Trainer. Too bad I can't take that point and skip a few tiers. I miss resourcefulness, but not badly enough to lose my other talents.

Those mana wraith in kara resist my traps ALL the time, and I have trap mastery. It was even more insane before I respec'd trap mastery back.

Hmm Never run into the "You have to be BM" problem.

Never had an issue with Surv hunters, but I have had a problem with Surv HUNTARDS.

All instances I have run with Surv hunters, the surv hunter has blatently stated that he/she can do more damage if Melee'ing instead of Ranged DPS'ing, in which case we are halfway into the instance when people start asking the hunter wtf he/she is doing, at which point I politely point out that the hunter needs to go ranged in order to max out their DPS, and am usually met with STFU noob, from the hunter.

So I then calmy /leavegroup and go on my way.