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#1 Aug 21 2007 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
Working my way to 39, I've been toying with different talents trying to figure out what I like best. I plan to do the 39 bracket PvP and I've had a real problem figuring out the Nightfall talent.

I currently have only 1 point into Nightfall and I know it's a low proc chance, but I figure that if I have 3 DoTs on 5+ enemies at once, it would proc often enough to be worthwhile. I will usually have my voidwalker on one dotted mob, while I dot up 2-4 other mobs, so at any given time I have 9-15 dots out there, but I only get the proc maybe once out of 3 groups.

My question is: Is Nightfall worth the 2 points or not?

I've done lots of math and none of it makes sense when compared to the actual numbers I see in game. And the extra 2% chance doesn't seem like it will help much (mathematically it does, but not in actuality).

Thanks in advance.
#2 Aug 21 2007 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
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My question is: Is Nightfall worth the 2 points or not?


Yes, nightfall is a great talent, especially for pvp. With an affliction build you have many dots that can proc this and it actually does proc quite often when you load said dots on an opponent.

Having an instant cast shadow bolt is amazing and while it may not proc every time you need it and you shouldn't rely on it, it can mean the difference between life and death and truly comes in very handy.

I'm not big on the math aspect, but it definately procs enough where I would never skip it in an affliction build. In short, it is definately worth 2 points.
#3 Aug 21 2007 at 8:09 PM Rating: Decent
Ok great. I'll put the extra point in it then. I was just worried because of the lack of procs with only 1 point in it, even taking several mobs at once.

Thanks for the input.
#4 Aug 22 2007 at 12:20 AM Rating: Decent
It only procs off corruption and drain life.
#5 Aug 22 2007 at 1:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Yup, what he said. Corruption and draining life have a change of proccing it. Still, corruption is easy to toss out and im always draining something at some point. When i was affliction, 2/2 nightfall procced nearly every big fight and often more than once. I would even go as far to say that it procced to much for my mana pool to handle.
#6 Aug 22 2007 at 5:06 AM Rating: Decent
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As was said, Corr and Drain Life are all that affect it. However, in PvE, I have it proc at least every other fight, and quite often every fight, sometimes twice in one fight. It procs a lot more often than you would think.
#7 Aug 22 2007 at 9:12 AM Rating: Decent
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As was said, Corr and Drain Life are all that affect it. However, in PvE, I have it proc at least every other fight, and quite often every fight, sometimes twice in one fight. It procs a lot more often than you would think.


That's because it's per tick of each, giving you a 21.7% chance to see it per corruption and 18.5% chance per drain life. At least that's what WoWwiki says. I'm a bit shaky on those numbers because it can proc twice/corruption, but really, I'm the kinda guy who shoots it off when it procs so it can't proc twice/drain life.
#8 Aug 22 2007 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
Hmm I was under the impression siphon life also had a chance of procing nightfall, although I may be wrong.
#9 Aug 22 2007 at 3:12 PM Rating: Decent
Oh, if it only procs no corruption and drain life, it may not be worth it for me to pick up.

While an instant SB would be nice every now and then, I think I want the two points elsewhere.

I have put the second talent point into nightfall and I notice it proc'ing a lot more often, a noticable difference, but I don't drain life as often as others do... Especially in PvP. I don't like to stand still with a group of horde running around me (which is why I thought an instant SB would be nice).

I had thought it proc'd on all dots.

Thanks for the extra info, I now have to put more thought into this talent.
#10 Aug 22 2007 at 5:08 PM Rating: Decent
Having always had it as part of my affliction build I still highly recommend it reguardless of what dots it procs off of.
#11 Aug 22 2007 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
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yes, it still procs very often, especially if you corr on multiple targets, since corr can be cast on the run, put it on all targets when you run across an enemy group, then start your other DoTs on one. While DoTing all the targets fully, you'll get NF procs all the while.
#12 Aug 22 2007 at 10:39 PM Rating: Decent
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In pvp a NF proc can be a godsend for you and spell (:-)) disaster for you opponent. Running and tab casting corruption and when NF procs do the jump, turn ,instant cast, turnback and run trick.

There always seems to be a pve or pvp moment in which you desperatly need some health and kill the enemy at the same time so you drain health, a NF proc at that moment will often give you the win.

Not taking these 2/2 NF, means putting points somewhere else if you want to reach UA (shadow mastery for that matter). I can't think of anything else then 3/3 emp Corr (build), then again if you are boosting corruption to toss it around, why not have the benefit of NF proc?

Edited, Aug 23rd 2007 8:40:49am by TinyTin
#13 Aug 24 2007 at 7:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I have 1 point in nightfall, and I like it very much, but I'm having problems detecting when it procs, due to having no sound on and many light-reflexes on my screen. Is there any mod or trick that can make it more obvious when it procs?
#14 Aug 24 2007 at 7:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Watch you buff part of screen,you ll see flashing nightfall icon,also you can notice by black sparks falling on over you ,kinda black snow.

Necrosis(mod) has some kinda of warning I think,but I hate it so I just pay attention more ,once you get hang of it you'll never miss another insta sb.

OT ,get 2/2 Nightfall ,after few days you'll see why its good.Especially in pvp.
It was told in other posts why so I wont repeat ,just get it and like it.

Edited, Aug 24th 2007 11:51:01am by shoarmakip
#15 Aug 24 2007 at 7:50 AM Rating: Decent
Warlock alerts. I get a big, purple, flashing ring that says, "NIGHTFALL!" in the middle of my screen.
#16 Aug 24 2007 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Or use Loki's "in your face method" .Wont miss ,guaranteed.

Link :
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/5484/
#17 Aug 24 2007 at 7:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Alert mod link :
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/5484/
#18 Aug 28 2007 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
I personally get this awesome Unreal Tournament style voice going "Shadow Trance!" at me. He is kinda scary. He just laughs at me when I select unfearable targets.

However, Nightfall is worth it, if it proccs. If it doesn't, it isn't worth it. Now go over your playstyle, and see if you use alot of Corruption and Drain Life. Since I do, I get a metric crapton of it. The one thing though, is that it is after all completely uncontrollable. In the one fight where you really wish for a few instant cast shadowbolts, you might end up proccless.

But the day I really found it to be the most useful? When I faced a Warrior and a Paladin three and four levels higher than me. Seeing Nightfall procc five times in the face of that Paladin was just awesome. I've never downed an enemy that fast before, nor have I ever seen a more surprised looking corpse (in my mind, I guess, but still). The Warrior was then easily dispatched through some Fearing, Kiting, and Draintanking.

I spent two talent points on that moment. If I never again see that kind of proccing, I will still consider it sooo worth it.
#19 Aug 28 2007 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I spent two talent points on that moment. If I never again see that kind of proccing, I will still consider it sooo worth it.


I think all of us feel that way. It takes one great use of it, from then on the hope of it happening again will keep us alive.
#20 Aug 29 2007 at 4:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Yup. For me it wasnt as much killing with it, but noticing alot of procs within no time. I don't know if it can even happen, but in my perception it did. I had NF proc, but stubbern as i was didnt use it. Then it procs again.. and again ... and again ... and again .. I believe i had NF up for over 30sec.

Never did fire it though. Still, i would think its worth it and i miss it on my current Demo build.
#21 Aug 29 2007 at 4:42 AM Rating: Decent
shoarmakip wrote:
Necrosis(mod) has some kinda of warning I think,but I hate it so I just pay attention more ,once you get hang of it you'll never miss another insta sb.

Necrosis tells you when it procs in a big booming voice. Can't miss it.
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