Ice/Arcane HybridFollow

Mana shield is a waste imo. Only to be used in situations where you aren't casting anyways : P I'd put those points into improved CS if it were me seeing as how CS def. comes in handy pvp. Cheers!

A couple of suggestions from a mage on pvp server:

1 - dump winter's chill and get arctic winds. 5% more dmg guaranteed and 5% less damage taken is much better than a BUILDUP to 10% increased crit chance. By the time you get to 5 shots, you could have done 25% more damage (than 1 spell) and taken 5% less.

2 - Frostbite is a NECESSITY for PVP (if you're going frost). You want to be able to freeze people.

3 - Improved blizzard is useless in pvp. You won't be mass kiting players. Blizzard is for pve. Change it for 3 points in permafrost, the added 10% snare to your frostbolt will be noticed.

4 - Elemental precision, get it.

5 - Arcane Meditation is wasted. 5% you won't even feel.

6 - Points in Arcane Missiles are wasted... unless you're taking the 100% route.

7 - I agree with the poster above, counterspell silence in PVP is needed.


I would suggest a build like this:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2300540010200000000000000000000000000000000000535323310205010001541

or even heavier in arcane to give more firepower:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2500550010200152300120000000000000000000000000505320310205010000000


You get much more durability with the 1st build, and more firepower with the 2nd. Hope this helps!

Edited, Aug 21st 2007 8:43:08am by kraznorafk

Also, arcane fortitude is a waste of time.

For Arcane/Frost: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2300550000200000000000000000000000000000000000535320310205010201551

or else this one, i like better: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2300550300200150330124000000000000000000000000505020310005010000000

I suggest you also try deep frost for best PvP results.

No arcane fortitude is horrible. Most useless mage talent, trust me. You could 2000 intellect and still that's only 1000 armor, which is basically crap when you see that warriors have 10k+ armor. If you are just starting out, get all of your frost talents first as they will help you level faster. Learn when to use Ice Block and Cold Snap, and always have Ice Barrier up, and you'll own in PvP.

I'd say go for this build for PvP.


Messed up link. But its 17\44 arcane frost.


Edited, Aug 21st 2007 12:13:37pm by Superrmann

Jesus. For Arcane Fire there are a couple builds. First and foremost, if you put one more build up that has arcane fortitude, I will find you. I will slap you. Ask anyone who has a mage and knows how to use it, they will all say it is a useless talent.

Arcane/Fire PvP: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?230055000023015033012305552000120000300000000000000000000000000000

You can also trade those burning soul talents for either mind mastery or incinerate

Arcane/Fire PvE:http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2300550000030000000000055523201200203005300500000000000000000000000

Of course, once you get to 70 most of your PvE will be raids and instances, in which case the best build is:http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?2300050000000000000000050523200230333005312510030000000000000000000

Don't argue with that last one. It's proven.

That one talent point can up your spell damage by 5%...

I'm not upset, just saying it's wasted. An Arcane/Fire mages best defense is a spectacular offense.

Going straight frost is the best build for leveling, PvP, and second best in raid specs.

This is just an idea:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/mage/talents.html?0000000000000000000000055523200000003005000000505320310005013201000

Arcane/Frost...Frost/Arcane....Frost Fire???? You want to do damage go frost, don't mess around. Here is my armory listing
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Scarlet+Crusade&n=Bobi
In each volley I crit at least once for 1600-1700hp. Taking on mobs 3lvls above is no problem.
I've tried all the different hybrids with this alt and this is the best DPS I've had in any combination.
Note, Keep your intelligence high, go for it all, and as much crit strike gear you can get. My base crit chance without buffs is 14.02, cleanse a acorrupted songflower, hearth to your zone, add draecenic wisdom and arcane potion or elixir of adept and you will easily crit at 21.+



DethRowTull

Anobix, please explain how useless Arcane Fortitude is. Please...

And to Deth. At 60, being a fire mage, I had a crit chance of 23%. One out of my four spells crit. Meaning either Pyro for 1800+800 ignite, Fireball for 1500+700 ignite, Scorch for 750+320 ignite, or Fireblast for 850+400 ignite.

No those are not exact numbers. It's been too long since I was 60 to remember exactly. I believe that from 60-70, fire actually levels better. Though Frost kills in PvP.

I am not Anobix. However, this is one thing that must be expounded on. Arcane Fortitude is off your Intellect, not your mana pool, so it's a really small number. Like really really small(Let's say you have a massive 600 int, that's 300 armor, which is something like 1-2%, at most, physical mitigation).

It's a REALLY CRAPPY TALENT.

I'm actually sitting around 20% chance to crit molten armor buffed. I have been adding +hit/+spelldmg gems instead of +crit/+spelldmg to get closer to the maxed out level. Then again I have empowered frostbolt, winters chill, etc with me as well, and in raids normally the moonkin aura.

I am going to go Elemental, specifically this one so the merit of demerit of the +armor based on int is irrelavent to me. I decided to go with the massive crits and such of the Fire/Ice build. Later I might respec.