I just ran a DM run with 3 hunters in it. Now, after stacking up to give more attack power, it seems as if Hunter's Mark becomes a different spell. So, if one hunter uses HM on a mob, shoots it once, another hunter will be able to apply another hunters mark. I was really excited about this, since I got 160ish white hits. Maybe a bug, but I hope they don't fix it. Would be truely awesome in raids indeed... And with Imp. HM? Melee DPS will go nuts... as well as pets.
Might be old news, but I wanted to share this discovery.
Oh, and you can also use HM on one mob, shot it once, and apply a new one to another mob.
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Are you claiming that Hunter's Mark stacks? Two different Hunters having two different marks?
Yes, if it's shot upon.
Everytime you shot at the mob the HM will be "charged" to cause a little more additional AP. Thing is, it now counts as a completely different spell, so it's basicly possible to have 10 HM's on one target.
Now, in reality I'd say blizz would want this to work as trying to apply a new HM after the first have been charged at least once would trigger the "a more powerful spell is already active". That's not the case at the moment, and I don't know if it will be.
I just found this out whlie doing DM, as I said, and we were on the first boss... ogre bloke, and one of the hunters had marked him. Now, I already knew I could HM two different targets after I've charged the first, so I tried applying a new HM after we'd shot the ogre a couple of times. Now, it worked, and after we'd been shooting for a while my critline went mad, and started spamming "new auto shot record", "new critical auto shot record", "new arcane shot record" and all of that. My highest record up until this was a melee crit on a frog for 140ish. my new record is 160ish auto shot.
Kinda nice little feat, although I havn't tried it on max rank. Anyone of you have a 70 hunter avalable feel free to get together with another hunter and try it. Should be a knock-out in raids, if it works.
Everytime you shot at the mob the HM will be "charged" to cause a little more additional AP. Thing is, it now counts as a completely different spell, so it's basicly possible to have 10 HM's on one target.
Now, in reality I'd say blizz would want this to work as trying to apply a new HM after the first have been charged at least once would trigger the "a more powerful spell is already active". That's not the case at the moment, and I don't know if it will be.
I just found this out whlie doing DM, as I said, and we were on the first boss... ogre bloke, and one of the hunters had marked him. Now, I already knew I could HM two different targets after I've charged the first, so I tried applying a new HM after we'd shot the ogre a couple of times. Now, it worked, and after we'd been shooting for a while my critline went mad, and started spamming "new auto shot record", "new critical auto shot record", "new arcane shot record" and all of that. My highest record up until this was a melee crit on a frog for 140ish. my new record is 160ish auto shot.
Kinda nice little feat, although I havn't tried it on max rank. Anyone of you have a 70 hunter avalable feel free to get together with another hunter and try it. Should be a knock-out in raids, if it works.
While I was in Kara last night I tried marking the target during combat and another hunter had already marked and it said there is a spell alreay on target. so i couldnt mark.
This also happend to me in a Battleground, it is kinda good vs bosses xP
Could it be a different rank of hunters mark? I haven't tried this yet, but you know that different ranks of scorpid sting don't interfere, so maybe HM works the same way.
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Normally it would say that a Higher Level of HM is already on the target.
TidusBlue wrote:
Normally it would say that a Higher Level of HM is already on the target.
Yeah, I believe that's how blizz wants it to work. Thing is, that isn't the case with my rank of HM (rank 2 or 3... can't remember). I'm not sure if they've fixed it with the highest rank, and I'm in no position to check it out. Those of you who are could test it and report back.
If the highest rank is fixed it might pay off to use the second highest, since you get double the bonus of it (and that's bound to be higher than one of the max rank).
Hm.
It's always been possible to have multiple Hunter's Marks on the same target before (I remember yelling at people about this back in the MC days), but if the stacking AP bonus is being applied more than once that would be neat. The only exception is if the other Hunter(s) have Imp. Hunter's Mark, but you should be able to stack multiple copies of the same talented/rank mark on a single mob.
It's always been possible to have multiple Hunter's Marks on the same target before (I remember yelling at people about this back in the MC days), but if the stacking AP bonus is being applied more than once that would be neat. The only exception is if the other Hunter(s) have Imp. Hunter's Mark, but you should be able to stack multiple copies of the same talented/rank mark on a single mob.
I'll try to be more specific about this (not saying that you don't get it... it's just that I don't get what you guys are talking about :[ ), and I can't comment on it using to be this way, since I didn't play hunter pre-TBC.
So, the hunter used this on the boss. Shot it once, and then it gave 49.5 AP instead of 45 AP. After that I applied my own HM. After shooting a while both must've became fully buffed (180 + 180 AP!). I noticed on my 70 hunter that two targets could be marked at the same time by putting a "charge" (a +4.5 AP increase) on the first. I never got to try out two marks on the same mob though.
So, at max rank, each HM will give +440 RAP (or AP, if Imp. HM.) when fully charged. In the situation of 4 hunters in a 25-man raid, you could get +1 760 RAP (or +1 760 AP... I hear warriors cheering!) vs. one target. Again, I havn't tried this with the max rank. Someone please do!
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Places the Hunter's Mark on the target, increasing the ranged attack power of all attackers against that target by 45 and by an additional 4.5 each time they are struck by a ranged attack, up to a maximum of 180. In addition, the target of this ability can always be seen by the hunter whether it stealths or turns invisible. The target also appears on the mini-map. Lasts for 2 min.
Instant cast
Places the Hunter's Mark on the target, increasing the ranged attack power of all attackers against that target by 45 and by an additional 4.5 each time they are struck by a ranged attack, up to a maximum of 180. In addition, the target of this ability can always be seen by the hunter whether it stealths or turns invisible. The target also appears on the mini-map. Lasts for 2 min.
So, the hunter used this on the boss. Shot it once, and then it gave 49.5 AP instead of 45 AP. After that I applied my own HM. After shooting a while both must've became fully buffed (180 + 180 AP!). I noticed on my 70 hunter that two targets could be marked at the same time by putting a "charge" (a +4.5 AP increase) on the first. I never got to try out two marks on the same mob though.
So, at max rank, each HM will give +440 RAP (or AP, if Imp. HM.) when fully charged. In the situation of 4 hunters in a 25-man raid, you could get +1 760 RAP (or +1 760 AP... I hear warriors cheering!) vs. one target. Again, I havn't tried this with the max rank. Someone please do!
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Hey Xordon, I'll be brief so as not to derail the topic, what mod is it that keeps track of your DPS "records?" Thanks in advance.
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So, at max rank, each HM will give +440 RAP (or AP, if Imp. HM.) when fully charged. In the situation of 4 hunters in a 25-man raid, you could get +1 760 RAP (or +1 760 AP... I hear warriors cheering!) vs. one target. Again, I havn't tried this with the max rank. Someone please do!
Btw, Imp. Mark does not receive the same bonus as the normal mark itself. In otherwords you are only adding RAP to the mark with each additional ranged attack, you never add additional AP to the mark when it's Improved. They receive the base bonus of the mark.
Commenting on this, I've had it bug a few times, and not sure what causes it. However, for the most part, I raid with 3 other hunters. I'm usually the designated Marker, due to the fact I have maxed out Imp. Mark.
On occassion, I will forget to Mark the target, so one of our other hunters does. Usually the other hunter who also has maxed out Imp. Mark. Upon applying it, and then shooting it, I will try to put up my own Mark. I will receive the message: "A more powerful spell is already activated".
Now I've had an odd bug, and I haven't confirmed this with the other hunters in my raid, where I will see a Mark up (can't tell if it's improved or not), and then apply my own soon after, and both will be displayed on the debuff list for the mob. It only happens in rare occasions, and I have to figure out if it's the hunter with normal mark, or the hunter with imp. mark.
Pretty sure it's the hunter with just normal mark, but more expirementation will need to be done.
Multiple 'hunter's marks'? That's not been my experience. It seems to me its one only. Whichever hunter has the higher rank of the mark is the one that can't be overwritten.
In battleground I notice multiple HM's - not sure if they "stack."
I've also at times in bg's been "double snared" - can't remember by what - and reduced to a literal snail's pace.
I've also at times in bg's been "double snared" - can't remember by what - and reduced to a literal snail's pace.
from the mixed responses I would judge this as just being a frequent glitch, I have had times where its said "Higher spell inplace" and I have max IhM so it can't be that some one has a better spell (i don't mean this arrogantly it's just that I have hunters mark at max rank and max talent) so that must mean Blizzard has thought of stacking Hm's and attempted to prevent it but I BELIVE I have had stacking HMs I think it shows on the targets dot/buff bar that there are to HMs up.
So bliz has thought of this, tryed to prevent it, but it still can happen.
So bliz has thought of this, tryed to prevent it, but it still can happen.
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I think what they mean is that.. if a hunter applies a hunters mark that is normal.. and then get the max ap bonus from several attacks.. then the imp hunters mark throws his up and goes to town.. you could get 180+180 for ranged attackers.. but the standard buff will go on mele..
Xordon wrote:
So, if one hunter uses HM on a mob, shoots it once, another hunter will be able to apply another hunters mark.
Kompera wrote:
Xordon wrote:
So, if one hunter uses HM on a mob, shoots it once, another hunter will be able to apply another hunters mark.
I tried to explain it more in detail...
If you cast a rank 5 (highest rank?) HM on a target, everyone will gain 180 RAP towards that target. Now, if you shot it once, it'll be getting a "charge" on it worth 11 RAP. So, it will now be worth 191 RAP. In my case, it after this counted as a whole new spell, and I could cast a new HM on the target without getting the "a more powerful spell is already active" message. I also found it possible to mark two mobs at once, after having "charged" my first HM with one or more charges.
Note: I havn't tried this with the max rank of HM. Only with rank 2.
I really don't think I can explain the situation better than this.
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