So I just dinged 70 this past weekend (Me), and I'm looking at every possible avenue for upgrades, one of these being PvP rewards. I'm interested in whether anyone has any thoughts on what the best bang per honor buck is in this regard, in terms of upgrade magnitude and longevity. The two pieces I'm currently working toward are Veteran's Silk Cuffs and Merciless Gladiator's Silk Amice; tonight after the honor update I'll have the wrist, but the shoulders are a month away at least. I also plan to get the epic spell damage and spell damage/spell crit gems somewhere down the line (maybe go for the orange one next and put it in the wrist, I don't know). The boots also look very tasty, maybe the best pre-Kara from what I have seen.
What other PvP pieces are worth working toward for PvE? Head, legs, waist, gloves, and chest are all out, since I'm working my *** off on the tailored pieces for each. I considered the back and blue shoulders, but I think I'd rather have the back from Sethekk and the shoulders from the Cipher of Damnation line in both of those slots, and both of those are readily attainable at me and my friends' progression level (3 of them also dinged 70 this weekend and one is still 69). The GM spellblade would be replaced by Greatsword of Horrid Dreams. The jewelry isn't that nice really.
So, all I can see are the arena shoulders and the Veteran's wrist and boots. Anyone else see any slots for which PvP would be my best avenue of upgrade? I appreciate any thoughts on this.
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all pvp pieces, as long as they are upgrades, will give you a decent upgrade. Although I will say though that when you have the opportunity to get a tier-piece (minus replacements for your tailored sets) I would get them for PvE. There is one major reason for this:
You do not need resilience/penetration in PvE, and as far as I know you don't get any +hit in PvP gear (which from what I have read is the best +dps increase you can get up to the 16% cap).
You do not need resilience/penetration in PvE, and as far as I know you don't get any +hit in PvP gear (which from what I have read is the best +dps increase you can get up to the 16% cap).
Anobix wrote:
all pvp pieces, as long as they are upgrades, will give you a decent upgrade. Although I will say though that when you have the opportunity to get a tier-piece (minus replacements for your tailored sets) I would get them for PvE. There is one major reason for this:
You do not need resilience/penetration in PvE, and as far as I know you don't get any +hit in PvP gear (which from what I have read is the best +dps increase you can get up to the 16% cap).
You do not need resilience/penetration in PvE, and as far as I know you don't get any +hit in PvP gear (which from what I have read is the best +dps increase you can get up to the 16% cap).
Agreed on all counts, but what I'm looking for is which pieces are the most difficult to replace (pre-Kara, I'm a long way off from there). I like a bit of PvP in moderation, but don't want to spend tens of thousands of honor on a piece that could be replaced from a quest item or whathaveyou :) As far as the spell hit is concerned, I believe I should be able to make it up on my other gear if it's just a few pieces of PvP gear (for example, Scryer's Bloodgem is on the very near horizon for me, which will help a lot).
Okay, if you consider tailoring your items: (and assuming fire spec so you are getting spellfire)
This leaves you with:
Shoulders, Wrists, Feet, Rings, Trinkets, Weapon/Offhand/Staff, Wand
Biggest upgrades:
Get the Gladiator spellblade and be on the lookout for a good offhand. I am still using my Tome of the Ice Lord from 60 because i am frost spec.
Those feet will last you a little bit if you want to.
I personally recommend checking out www.wow-loot.com and see what is availavble to you, as far as I know you can use their new beta feature and uncheck kara/gruul/etc to leave you with what you will be able to get for improvements.
This leaves you with:
Shoulders, Wrists, Feet, Rings, Trinkets, Weapon/Offhand/Staff, Wand
Biggest upgrades:
Get the Gladiator spellblade and be on the lookout for a good offhand. I am still using my Tome of the Ice Lord from 60 because i am frost spec.
Those feet will last you a little bit if you want to.
I personally recommend checking out www.wow-loot.com and see what is availavble to you, as far as I know you can use their new beta feature and uncheck kara/gruul/etc to leave you with what you will be able to get for improvements.
Anobix wrote:
Get the Gladiator spellblade and be on the lookout for a good offhand. I am still using my Tome of the Ice Lord from 60 because i am frost spec.
Excellent call on both of these, I had not really considered them. Glad's weap is still a long long ways off for me (my 3v3 is terrible, group of us I was saying just dinged 70 this weekend), but I might work toward the GM spellblade if I can't get Greatsword of Horrid Dreams to drop first. Either way, the boots and spellblade both use EotS marks and about the same amount of honor, so it won't be wasted if I do get it to drop for me. The AV fire book is straight +40 fire damage, and I'd use it over the current best offhand I have laying around (Saga of Terokk) if nothing else drops in that time, plus it's cheap and AV marks aren't really good for much.
I've perused wow-loot a lot, but it doesn't have PvP items listed, making it a little harder to compare. Good to have that link out there for people looking at this topic who haven't seen it, though.
Edit - played around with wow-loot's beta gear planner feature, which does include PvP items, and it's very cool. My only gripe would be that it doesn't have a weighting system for the stats, so it put some green boots with a little spell hit and spell damage at the top of the list (since I set spell hit as my top priority).
Edited, Aug 16th 2007 4:17:48pm by Theophastus
Theophastus wrote:
(my 3v3 is terrible, group of us I was saying just dinged 70 this weekend),
I'm not 100% on this working, but if your team is that bad, you might throw gold at the issue and just disband and reform your team each week after getting your points.
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Theophastus wrote:
(my 3v3 is terrible, group of us I was saying just dinged 70 this weekend),
I'm not 100% on this working, but if your team is that bad, you might throw gold at the issue and just disband and reform your team each week after getting your points.
We do in fact plan to do that, but we're letting it go 2 weeks because we're also strapped for cash after buying flying mounts and working on our epic craftables :)
For what it's worth, I think I talked myself out of the boots in favor of the GM staff. Shattrath Jumpers with Veiled Noble Topazes compare well (+7 damage +8 hit -27 crit, probably a net DPS loss but not too bad), and the staff is hands-down the best level 70 blue staff. In the mean time, I can work on an epix MH/OH combo (maybe the exalted HH weapon or Glad's weap and Flametongue Seal) while the GM staff's nice stam (and to a much lesser extent resil) will help a lot for soloing things.
Unless you are talking arena weapons, skip PvP weapons and get one from a 5 man instance. There are a ton out there, all with +121 dmg or so.
As for the other pieces, if you go tailor, the boots and bracers will provide really solid upgrades. (I use them both myself still).
As for the other pieces, if you go tailor, the boots and bracers will provide really solid upgrades. (I use them both myself still).
Warlord Filterspawn wrote:
Unless you are talking arena weapons, skip PvP weapons and get one from a 5 man instance. There are a ton out there, all with +121 dmg or so.
As for the other pieces, if you go tailor, the boots and bracers will provide really solid upgrades. (I use them both myself still).
As for the other pieces, if you go tailor, the boots and bracers will provide really solid upgrades. (I use them both myself still).
My main beef with getting instance drops is that my mage is pretty much cursed - the only item I wanted that I've had drop (and won the roll) in all of Outland was the Princely Reign Leggings... in Slave Pens... at 63, this with running 1-2 instances daily. I figure I'll be doing a week of casual PvP for the GM staff, which will probably net it for me long before I'll get both a weap AND OH to drop (though I do still plan to keep my eye out for GSoHD and the offhand from Skyriss).
I'm still kind of on the fence about the boots. Lhivera's theorycraft calculator shows relative values at my current gearing (and soon-to-be deep fire spec) as being 1.00 Hit Rating = 1.20 Damage = 2.46 Crit Rating, which puts my Shattrath Jumpers with Veiled Noble Topazes above the Vet's boots.
Edited, Aug 18th 2007 2:42:40pm by Theophastus
try to get ahold of The Bringer of Death, I used it until I got my bloodmaw magus blade (I <3 it) and it has some pretty good stats. It sells on my server for about 60g.
Run black morass and get the continuum blade, it's a great wep, but more of a pvp one then pve, it has a nice 30 stam on it. Another plus is that it's a certain thing, rather then hoping for a drop.
Kapot wrote:
Run black morass and get the continuum blade, it's a great wep, but more of a pvp one then pve, it has a nice 30 stam on it. Another plus is that it's a certain thing, rather then hoping for a drop.
Indeed a worthwhile weapon, though I'd suggest instead that you consider focusing on running Shattered Halls until you get the dagger from there or hit exalted and get that hawt sword. The Continuum Blade is indeed excellent, but it's actually more of a paladin tanking sword than a PvP one.
To be honest, I believe the continuum blade is equal to or better then the stormcaller (or alliance equivalent). The 14 extra stam is alot, I focus on stamina for my pvp set, and have 9k hp now, 210 extra coming from the sword, for me, this goes a long way, even when you compare it to that 40 extra spelldamage.
Of course I'm going to get one, it's just that it's not that big an upgrade, for pvp that is.
Also, I've done some researching, and I think the regular glad headgear and pants are the most worthwhile for that set bonus, if you're getting merciless after that, unless of course you get the trial fire pants from kara.
I recommend the cuffs aswell, because they have great stats and a socket. If you are frost and want to stay that way though, dreadweave might be a better choice since your crit rate will rely more on shatter, and extra hp is nice.
Anyway, hope this semi-chaotic post helps, drank half a case of beers last night and slept for 3 hours. I apologize for stuff if it has affected my post :P.
Of course I'm going to get one, it's just that it's not that big an upgrade, for pvp that is.
Also, I've done some researching, and I think the regular glad headgear and pants are the most worthwhile for that set bonus, if you're getting merciless after that, unless of course you get the trial fire pants from kara.
I recommend the cuffs aswell, because they have great stats and a socket. If you are frost and want to stay that way though, dreadweave might be a better choice since your crit rate will rely more on shatter, and extra hp is nice.
Anyway, hope this semi-chaotic post helps, drank half a case of beers last night and slept for 3 hours. I apologize for stuff if it has affected my post :P.
Kaput, the Alliance equivalent you refer to is the Blade of the Archmage, I believe. Requires rep with Honor Hold (can't recall now if it's revered or exalted--it's purple so I'm thinking exalted). I'm struggling with the same thing you are--do I hit OH and BM over and over for KoT rep and buy the Continuum or Shattered Halls for the Archmage? It's a toss-up for PvP I think, though if pressed I'd probably agree with your statement that the extra stam (continuum) is more important to my arena success than the extra 38 spelldmg (archmage).
For PvE/instances the Archmage is the clear winner as stam on a mage is nearly irrelevant when a 70elite is doing the beating.
My solution is an economical one (from the perspective of time rather than money): work toward the Continuum by running Black Morass for KoT rep b/c the end boss there drops a nice staff--so I'm increasing my chances for an upgrade that way. That said, someone above mentioned a dagger from Shattered Halls, so perhaps my logic isn't entirely sound.
Regarding Mericless Armor, I use Fireblast quite a bit, so the gloves will be my next Arena purchase (they increase Fireblast range by 5yds). FWIW, I currently have the Merciless legs (a ridiculously good upgrade from the green trash I had before), the BG Cape (sergeant's heavy), and the Vet's Silk Belt. The rest are quest blues like the Shat Jumpers and Evoker's Helmet of Second Sight. Would love to get the Merciless Spellblade for the huge +dmg boost it would give me but alas with my current 2v2 team that would just take too freakin' long. Need some upgrades nownownow to help us along.
For PvE/instances the Archmage is the clear winner as stam on a mage is nearly irrelevant when a 70elite is doing the beating.
My solution is an economical one (from the perspective of time rather than money): work toward the Continuum by running Black Morass for KoT rep b/c the end boss there drops a nice staff--so I'm increasing my chances for an upgrade that way. That said, someone above mentioned a dagger from Shattered Halls, so perhaps my logic isn't entirely sound.
Regarding Mericless Armor, I use Fireblast quite a bit, so the gloves will be my next Arena purchase (they increase Fireblast range by 5yds). FWIW, I currently have the Merciless legs (a ridiculously good upgrade from the green trash I had before), the BG Cape (sergeant's heavy), and the Vet's Silk Belt. The rest are quest blues like the Shat Jumpers and Evoker's Helmet of Second Sight. Would love to get the Merciless Spellblade for the huge +dmg boost it would give me but alas with my current 2v2 team that would just take too freakin' long. Need some upgrades nownownow to help us along.
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Ehh.. kinda off topic, but ure struggles in arena might be due to your specc. Fire is god awful for arenas. If you have already made spellfire i would let it slide, but if you have a chance i would try frost out at 70. My spec currently is 2/0/59 and that is working great for PVP. However, if you plan to raid, Spellfire and a fire specc is probably the best option.
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