Ok. I give in. After being subject to fear on an all to often basis, I'm finally contemplating the switch to BM. Or at least a build with a few more tricks up its sleeve.
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shu'halo&n=Steelray
My profile if it helps.
I know about the cookie cutter builds in the sticky and such. But I enjoy reading the debates by some of you guys on the merits of this skill versus that and would appreciate any input.
I still want a build that's primarily PvE. I'm trying to crack the 70s instances at the moment, and the group quests mostly. But I'd also like to be more viable in PvP. Yes, I know I need to hit the magical 8000 HP, and I'm working on that. But I've struggled a little more than I'd like, and being unCCable for 12 seconds is looking better and better.
Or, OTOH, might I want to replace some of my AP for agi and give survival a try? I admit I know little about either build.
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I picked a BM/SV build for getting into 70's because of the trapping prowess this gives you. I only went to the third tier in SV because I don't really want 3 talent points in there just to get trap mastery, I consider those 5 points better spent in lethal shots for the higher crit%
This is very much a 5-man build. For raiding I would go with something more like this for BM based talents. Notice I've gotten rid of some of the armor. I would also consider switching endurance training for ImpAotH, as that will add more dps. the reason I might not is if my pet needs the extra health to survive. (I'm assuming avoidance on you pet) The pet gives a buff, so needs to be kept alive. I've also specced pet rez for this reason. If the pet dies with a short rez time you can actually rez it during the boss fight and send it back in after it's healed up.
In the second build I think animal handler (2% pet hit) is not as good as mortal shots (+6% crit damage), which is why that talent is not maxed.
Edited, Aug 16th 2007 1:26:31pm by Xsarus
I picked a BM/SV build for getting into 70's because of the trapping prowess this gives you. I only went to the third tier in SV because I don't really want 3 talent points in there just to get trap mastery, I consider those 5 points better spent in lethal shots for the higher crit%
This is very much a 5-man build. For raiding I would go with something more like this for BM based talents. Notice I've gotten rid of some of the armor. I would also consider switching endurance training for ImpAotH, as that will add more dps. the reason I might not is if my pet needs the extra health to survive. (I'm assuming avoidance on you pet) The pet gives a buff, so needs to be kept alive. I've also specced pet rez for this reason. If the pet dies with a short rez time you can actually rez it during the boss fight and send it back in after it's healed up.
In the second build I think animal handler (2% pet hit) is not as good as mortal shots (+6% crit damage), which is why that talent is not maxed.
Edited, Aug 16th 2007 1:26:31pm by Xsarus
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For PVE, I would tweak Xsarus' build by moving two points from Thick Hide into Catlike Reflexes. 6% dodge is going to give much more survivability than the armour will. I've found my pet (windserpent, with full Catlike Reflexes) is good at tanking a level 70 dungeon mob.
Here's my spec - it's a BM-focussed BM/MM spec, basically, so it doesn't have trap talents. I'm not sure I'd recommend it if you want better trapping, but just for reference:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?0520120152501215313510550200100000000000000300000000000000000000
Here's my spec - it's a BM-focussed BM/MM spec, basically, so it doesn't have trap talents. I'm not sure I'd recommend it if you want better trapping, but just for reference:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?0520120152501215313510550200100000000000000300000000000000000000
I've got a quick question about a BM build.
I'm going BM/MM, and I'm not sure which I should put points into of the 2nd tier talents.. Efficiency (10% cost reduction on shots and stings) or Imp. Hunters Mark (applies 100% of Hunters Mark to melee attacks).
The mana reduction would be useful, but it doesn't help with traps, BW, Intimidation, etc.
Imp. Hunters Mark seems like it would be the better choice because a lot of my damage comes from my pet, and it would also be useful an parties.
Personally, I'm leaning more towards Imp. Mark, but I wanted your input.
I'm going BM/MM, and I'm not sure which I should put points into of the 2nd tier talents.. Efficiency (10% cost reduction on shots and stings) or Imp. Hunters Mark (applies 100% of Hunters Mark to melee attacks).
The mana reduction would be useful, but it doesn't help with traps, BW, Intimidation, etc.
Imp. Hunters Mark seems like it would be the better choice because a lot of my damage comes from my pet, and it would also be useful an parties.
Personally, I'm leaning more towards Imp. Mark, but I wanted your input.
The Honorable Tadekatsu wrote:
I've got a quick question about a BM build.
I'm going BM/MM, and I'm not sure which I should put points into of the 2nd tier talents.. Efficiency (10% cost reduction on shots and stings) or Imp. Hunters Mark (applies 100% of Hunters Mark to melee attacks).
The mana reduction would be useful, but it doesn't help with traps, BW, Intimidation, etc.
Imp. Hunters Mark seems like it would be the better choice because a lot of my damage comes from my pet, and it would also be useful an parties.
Personally, I'm leaning more towards Imp. Mark, but I wanted your input.
I'm going BM/MM, and I'm not sure which I should put points into of the 2nd tier talents.. Efficiency (10% cost reduction on shots and stings) or Imp. Hunters Mark (applies 100% of Hunters Mark to melee attacks).
The mana reduction would be useful, but it doesn't help with traps, BW, Intimidation, etc.
Imp. Hunters Mark seems like it would be the better choice because a lot of my damage comes from my pet, and it would also be useful an parties.
Personally, I'm leaning more towards Imp. Mark, but I wanted your input.
Along the same lines of thought...
The builds I've seen don't put anything into efficiency. So how mana efficient (or non-efficient) are these builds? Will I need huge amounts of intellect (moreso than I have currently)?
And if you go 41 points into BM, is IHM even necessary?
And one more question. With a 41/20 build, how do you compensate for not having scatter shot? I assume intimidation, but the cooldown on that is much higher than scatter shot.
Steelray wrote:
The builds I've seen don't put anything into efficiency. So how mana efficient (or non-efficient) are these builds? Will I need huge amounts of intellect (moreso than I have currently)?
And if you go 41 points into BM, is IHM even necessary?
For raiding you should be grouped with a Spriest and/or a shaman to keep your mana up so you can throw away effeciency for IHM.
You also dont need insane int, your shot rotation consists of pretty much only auto -> steady with a scorpid sting.
(there is a macro somewhere that you can just spam and it will do the auto-steady with kill commands, but that doesnt cooperate with IaotH)
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With a 41/20 build, how do you compensate for not having scatter shot? I assume intimidation, but the cooldown on that is much higher than scatter shot.
Its only twice as long, and do you f*ck up that often that you need to save your *** every 30 seconds?
Also, Intimidate is better then scatter shot because it will save clothies for more then 4 seconds, it sucks for disrupting spells though (unless they have a loooong cast time)
The key to BM dps are 2 things:
1: Your pet is a rabid wombat of destruction.
2: Pumping more lead/wood in the air negates big shots.
If you are doing 5 mans, i would spec 41/20/0, and changing to 41/20/0 for raiding.
However, in my opinion BM doesnt shine in 5-mans, you'd do better as 0/21/40.
0/21/40 is an awesome build for 5-mans/heroics with improved traps, better kiting, mana effeciency and high survivability.
Instead of starting a completely new thread, I will just tack my question onto this one.
I have speced MM since day one. Now Im 70 and want to give BM a try. I have heard that BM has become very capiable in both PvP and raiding, both I intend to be doing a lot of. I would like some advice on a build for BM.
Build 1
or
Build 2
Any advice would be much appericated, Thanks.
Edited, Aug 20th 2007 10:11:46am by surfriderr
I have speced MM since day one. Now Im 70 and want to give BM a try. I have heard that BM has become very capiable in both PvP and raiding, both I intend to be doing a lot of. I would like some advice on a build for BM.
Build 1
or
Build 2
Any advice would be much appericated, Thanks.
Edited, Aug 20th 2007 10:11:46am by surfriderr
Aethien wrote:
However, in my opinion BM doesnt shine in 5-mans, you'd do better as 0/21/40.
0/21/40 is an awesome build for 5-mans/heroics with improved traps, better kiting, mana effeciency and high survivability.
0/21/40 is an awesome build for 5-mans/heroics with improved traps, better kiting, mana effeciency and high survivability.
I tried this last night, but switched the 2 points from Imp Arcane into Rapid Killing.
I've noticed a lot of builds that have those 2 points in Imp Arcane and am wondering why? Does it optimize a shot rotation? If so, what speed weapon are we talking about?
Also, I've played MM, BM and am now trying out SV. I don't know what speed weapon to use now that I no longer have IAotH and Serpents Swiftness. I noticed my shots were quite a bit slower last night.
So far, I am enjoying SV. I haven't used it to it's full potential yet, but I'm still messing with it.
Oh, and Aethien, I currently have 600 Agi with LR, giving me 23% crit. Am I severely gimped right now for SV? I'm still waiting on a couple pieces to drop for me to get my agi, AP and crit% up. Am I wasting my time right now until that happens?
To answer you scammich...NO, your not gimping yourself at all. Im only in mid 540's atm for SV and do just fine. If your over 500 agil, your still better than TSA, and thats really what matters for SV. Your EW>than TSA. 600 is a good number for agil on SV. The better raiders have 700+ but they also see gruul's and beyond, so don't worry. I wish I could see those places, to up my gear, but I am also a father of 3 so I don't have that kind of time to play a video game for hours on hours like the hard core raiders do. With your agil, you will be fine.
I ended up using this build which is largely BM/MM, with 3 points thrown into Hawk Eye for the extra distance. It's not a common build, but works for me. The build allows me to add Go for the Throat, and I like the points I put into MM, as I wanted a little more bang, but the Rapid Killing seemed more important to me than Aimed Shot, which I still feel takes too damned long. I'm sure a lot of people could pick holes in my build, but I tried a few different builds before settling on this one.
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