Sick of the whinersFollow

people only want locks to be nerfed b/c they suck at thier class and they think weakening us will help them. gonna love proving that wrong over and over again killing every ally i see will be SO much fun. i have to agree with your if you win stfu ur a lock people think just b/c we are a lock we all have the same skills as one another and that we are a superpowered class designed to kill everything but they don't realize how much time and efort it takes to master everything about a lock from which pet for which situation to placing dots in what specific order etc. if they did that for themselves instead of whining and trying to get locks nerfed they might actually beable to beat us

I toaly agree n stuff. I lost the desire to duel after some guy told me i was "the worst lock he had ever seen" because i lost to a rogue...

As long as there is no class/spec that will absolutely WTFPWN any and all warlocks in their face people will keep complaining.

Albeit BM hunters are already there and with 18 seconds of having uber-damage and being completely un-CC'eable they can wreck almost any class, let alone a measly warlock with cloth armor.
I tried dueling a good BM hunter guildie some time ago when I was full-demo. The only way I could defeat his BW was pre-battle saccing a VW, summoning another one and SL'ing it, and saccing it it later to then insta-summon my Felguard out against him, and going all-out on dps and life draining (this was with SL on both VW and Felguard of course). Still, they were close calls.

So, with a class spec that can already wtfpwn warlocks every 2 minutes, what is the problem ?
Well they all want to do that with their class, and on a lower cooldown, they want an easy win against a resourceful class.

Most people complaining should go cry me a river and see if they can up their fishing skill there.

I agree entirely.

If someone gets hit by a 3k fireball (that might even crit and be more) - they live with it without any thought. If that same person gets hit by a Curse of Agony - which is dispellable - and takes 24 seconds to deliver it's damage (the front end ticks not being particularly significant) - and can quite easily be countered in many ways, that person cries out "Nerf Locks".

I came to the conclusion that the biggest problem about dots is simply that they sit on the players debuff space, and constantly remind him that he's taking damage. If the player gets hit with that damage instantaneously - they don't even notice it - it;s just part of how the game works.

The other point being that how many of these QQers get to see how we are completely owned by Warriors and Rogus - in scenarios where we don't have succubus - which is most (for me at least), and skilled players trinket out of cc effects these days anyway.

I was in a guild WSG pre-made the other day and one of our hunters on team speak was continually whining about locks and that they should be nerfed - yet he was coming in at #1 on both damage and honorable kills.

The same hunter just yesterday was whining that locks have got alot of instant cast spells which can be cast while running. I pointed out that he has Arcane Shot, Scatter Shot, Silencing Shot, Wing Clip, Traps - all which can be cast while running - in fact he had more abilities that can be cast while running than us. Guess what ? He still didn't get it.


To be honest I would like to see some changes to dots - 1st make them so that they only deliver damage while the warlock is in range (let's say 50 yards or something), and 2nd - make some (or all) of them dispel when the warlock dies.

It's not that I see these changes as fair or equitable (to the contrary they would suck), but the other alternatives are probably that they will just knock some more dps off of of our dots - either through resilience, reduced damage gear co-efficients , scaling back the damage bonuses on future warlock gear, etc etc.

One last thing - I guess this makes me a whiner :D

Ohh,thats not bad anti lock idea ,not at all
Quick ,delete that post ^^

I have both a 51 Frost mage with water elemental and a pvp warrior.

The reason so many people say, "nerf 'locks," is the DOTs and Fear.

Scenario 1

Warrior vs Warlock (Warrior is pvp 39 bracket, so no Mortal Strike, Warlock is Affliction)

Warrior Charges, Bloodlust, Hamstring, then tries to Slam, Warlock DOTs, tries to Fear, Warrior interrupts with Berzerker Rage, breaks fear, white hit, Slam, Whirlwind, Warlock dies. If the Warlock was able to cast enough spells, Warrior dies soon after from DOTs, if not, he doesn't.

This is with a PVP spec Warrior, 39 bracket, Arms/Fury, with a really slow 2-hander.

Scenario 2

Warrior vs Warlock (Warrior is Arms Leveling spec / any non pvp spec OR Berzerker Rage is on cooldown and warrior doesn't have PVP trinket, Warlock is Affliction / anything else)

Warrior Charges, Bloodlust, gets feared, DOTed, Shadow Bolted, almost dead, fear ends, gets refeared / DOTed, Warlock walks away, Warrior dies 10 seconds later.


A skilled PVP Warrior will often destroy a Warlock, but the average warrior can easily be killed by even a poor warlock, that's where the complaint arises, in that a warrior has to be good to kill a 'lock, otherwise they have no chance.

A non PVP warrior has a better chance against a mage than a warlock, at least with spell reflect.


From the Mage perspective, I'm full frost, at 51 I have about +150 spell damage, NOT PVP spec, and 1300 HP. I've been killed (Ice Block on cooldown) by a 'lock riding by in world PVP, dismounts, DOTs 3 times, SB, walks away, remounts, and I die 20 seconds later.

As a mage, I can kill a warlock, as long as my abilities aren't on cooldown. If they are, it would be virtually impossible to kill a warlock, with or without a pet.

This is why mages cry, "Nerf 'Locks." As the only way for a mage to kill one is by blowing cooldowns. (Arcane/Fire? Arcane Power(3min, +30% damage) Presence of Mind(3min, next cast instant) Pyroblast will destry a warlock, but again, needs cooldowns, just like Rogues Cloak of SKILL)

Don't forget Deathcoil either, it ruins all other classes day.
"I almost killed him!"
Deathcoil
Re-DOT, other class now dies.

--Edit-added part about Deathcoil, sorry about the grammar, long day at work.


Edited, Aug 17th 2007 2:34:52am by Akuhime

If they gave me a buck for every time my CoD or my DoT's have had a definite say in killing *that* boss after it had killed me, well... I'd have a handful of bucks :)

Now seriously, make that change work only for PVP and for non-curse DoT's and I'd be fine with it. Only thing is that to be fair other DoT's (Sw:pain and others) should be affected by the same change.
Or maybe to be even fairer the effect should be extended to ALL debuffs, I don't think people would like that much :S

I completely understand why many of you would be upset over all the recent attacks on warlocks, especially with the criticism that you may receive regardless of whether you win or lose a duel. It is important to note, though, that the game is not balanced as it would be impossible to entirely balance a game with so many interacting variables. I do believe that it takes a great deal of skill to play a warlock well - just as it does to play any class well. What you have to realize, though, is that the complaints are usually not coming from players of the highest caliber. They are coming from average players who find it very difficult to beat an equally skilled warlock. In truth, it IS very difficult for classes like the mage to beat a good warlock, much less one of equal skill. The mage will have to work harder (or have all cooldowns ready) than a warlock to achieve the same result in a duel between the two. Similarly, a warrior will have to work much harder than a mage at the average skill level to win a duel. The game is similar to paper/rock/scissors, each class having its good and bad matchups. Some classes, though, do have more good matchups than others.

who the **** said it is hard to beat a warlock as a mage??
-->> iceblock+elemental.
sheesh.

if they did that, I demand that warlocks get something against BM hunters too then. Cause that match up is even worse than mage vs lock.

Lets just take it to the perfect nerf.

Nerf every dam little thing in the game so pvp is set at 3 second swings, no pets, and only 1 hp damage per swing in pvp.

Then we can all go to Mc'donalds and cry in our milkshakes.

As a warlock, i dont see how we need nerfed. I've died a billion times. I've watched my dot's kill someone AFTER im dead a billion times. He/She/It got the honor, not me. I'd like to see us get honor for kills after we die!

Any kid that cry's about locks being OP.. just simple should reroll a lock, and see how many times he dies at the hands of other players.

Nerf Fear?? Bliz did a nice job of it already, its less than 3k honor.
If your level 39.. so what? IF your in a BG at that level, long enough to even care about what a lock can and cant do, and what you can and cant do, GO GET THE DAM TRINKET. If your not, STFU, and level.

Now, as a Druid.

I dont think locks need to be nerfed, their quite squishy and tasty. Especially dipped in Taco Bell Hot Sauce.

Sometimes i win, sometimes i loose, but i dont cry, cuz i know what the class is capable of, and have LEARNED how to change strategies to beat the type of lock im in a battle with. (and yes im smart enough to have gotten the trinket ASAP, as its useful for more than just locks)

AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE WHINERS!
They think every lock plays and is specced the SAME way, so they try the same old tactics over and over, and then /cry cuz it didnt work but once in 30 tries...

anyway, AMEN to most of the posters here, Good venting Post Mikelolol

No, the game is fine as it is. We get stunlocked by a rogue? Good, stop whining about it. Mage gets pwned by a warlock? Good, stop whining. Warrior gets kited by a mage with rank 1 frostbolt? Good, quit complaining.

Us whining about rogues is just as bad as other classes whining about us, so the first step is - stop whining about rogues. Figure out how to beat them. And if you lose, well dont complain anyway. Find another person and kill it. Run with a warrior who will destroy that rogue. The warrior will be happy because you'll destroy the rank 1 frostbolt spammers for him. This games about teamwork, not 1 on 1 open field duels.

Drop Siphon life on the pet, put your DoTs on the hunter and just drain him. It helps to use curse of shadows instead of curse of agony. When you get low pop a HS and then drain some more. As soon as he turns white you have to Death coil him and iHoT the pet. Then it's drain, drain, drain some more. Curse of shadows is clutch though because you get more out of that than anything else when it comes to HP returns on drain.