Future Death Knight forum?Follow

To keep this on the assumed topic, as interesting as the mechanisms may sound, I see one fatal flaw with the release of DK with WoTLK, namely that there's no healing hero class released at the same time.

Come level 80, you'll see the masses rushing to do the unlocking quest, and starting to level their brand new toon. How long before you'll get 200+ DKs LFG Ramparts with 0 available healers in the level range?

Partial fix would be that unlocking DK also unlocks the possibility to roll any alt of any class at the same high level. That would also get us rid of running STV yet another bloody damn time.

Thats a really good point youve got there, all servers would be swarming with Deathknights after a couple of months after release.



A really good idea, but there is 1 problem... it will make people to quickly lvl a character to lvl 80 and never ever have to do the other classes 50 and under quests anymore. And it will also will make people who have played like 3 years and have like 3 or 4 classes at 70 feel they've done it for nothing.

Blizzard would never do that because that means people are going to play less WoW and thats not what they want.



P.S. for people that want to know how i'd get here ^^ :

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=1 ---> warrior
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=10 ---> DK

i was wondering if i putted a 0 after the 1 if i'd get to a other class :P and hey it worked :D

Azeroth's population has lessened,

but it is nowhere near a ghost world for my server. People are leveling alts, and new players are still joining, all the time.

Furthermore, I think I read that there will be a gear jump from OL to Northrend (which we'll all be calling NR, I'm guessing). And like before, those who clear BT/Hyjal/Sunwell (as opposed to Naxx/AQ40) will still hold onto their gear until 75-78.

I actually hope they make the starting areas of Northrend a bit difficult, like starting it with level 72-73 mobs, and that there will be chain quests that bring Mag'har to Northrend or something, so that OL goes far from being obsolete.

As far as DKs overpopulating, that will happen, but not as badly as people think. There were predictions that all one would see for months was Draenei Shamans and Blood Elf Pallies, but there were still plenty who played on their normal characters.
Healers will still exist, as there are many like me who will "wait their turn" to roll a DK, biding their time until the DK spread evens out a bit.

Thats when you make a healer and get in any group you want. Trust me its not like EVERYONE will be a DK, I'm not into plate characters (as shown below) and I'm sure there are alot more people like me who are going to raid and instance alot once they get to 80 and completely ignore the whole DK thing.

MAAAYYYBE ill make a DK once i've fully explored everything in the expansion and I'm satisfied with my druid (most likely the one I'll get to 80 first) having mostly purples.

You can also wait 'till a couple of DKs get to 80 and get well geared and ask'em how is it like to be a DK, do they like it? what are the ups and downs? How are DKs at PvP, raid, tanking? etc ...

Edited, Apr 13th 2008 10:08pm by Dmadmike

Utterly stupid statement. The same thing was said about Draenei shamans and Blood Elf paladins, and there doesn't seem to be an imbalance of classes now.

What you are assuming (and it's probably a pretty bad assumption) is that the Death Knight is going to be a class so overpowered that everybody will switch to it and never return to their mains because the new class is so much "better" than the previous classes.


Second stupidity. Go back to the o-forums for this type of nonsense.

Edited, Apr 14th 2008 1:48am by ohmikeghod

Wow Mike relax.

He has a good point. The fact that you can start the class at an already high level means it will be disproportionately much, much higher than any other class. It's a huge factor - who wants to level AGAIN from L1? Not me. Who wants to try out a new class (not just a new class to the faction, a new class to the game) without having to level? Me! (and millions of others).

I can't wrap my head around why you think all the current healers will roll a Death Knight when the class doesn't appeal to their playstyle.

Example: Mr. Mister has a level 70 Rogue, Hunter and Warlock. He loves to deal damage. He enjoys his role in a party. He has never played the Priest class, because healing just doesn't appeal to him.

One day Mr. Mister decides to roll a new alt. He picks the Mage class because Mages are excellent at dealing damage. He levels his Mage to 34 when suddenly Blizzard announces that all Priests below level 55 will now be instantly leveled to 55 for the fun of it.

By your definition, Mr. Mister will instantly quit his Mage and go play on his Priest from level 55-70, despite the fact that the class doesn't appeal to him.

Now that's just silly.

Well, I'm gonna keep playing my priest, she's 70 plus all my other alts, but I'll also roll a DK too. I have 3 70's so the issue for me is who to level to 80 first or all at once? LOL

If you play on US Agewynn, I'll heal for you.

True that, but it'll pass once people find out that Death Knight isn't the alpha class of the game. The theory that level 55-70 will be packed with Death Knights isn't solid, though. Maybe level 55-60, but then they'll hit Outland and realize it's not the alpha class and they'll go back to whatever they were playing before.

Except for the players who find that the class is just what they'd been waiting for, or the people who couldn't give jack **** about playstyle as long as they get to be Arthazz, Arhthasz, Artaz, Leechking, Deafknite, etc.

Ok here are my personal thoughts on the subject:

-First we ALL know that new things are interesting. It is VERY probable that in the first few days all high level players will rush to do the quest and try the DK first thing after the expansion. HOWEVER, this doest NOT mean that they will stay that way. Why? Simple, people chose to play their class because they like the mechanics. So as in the previous example, I say that if someone chose to play a holy priest to 70, it wasnt because they love tanking.

-BUT, considering that the DK seems as a class with the following attributes:
DPS: Good, can duel-wield, offensive spells
Healing: Probably only self by leeching, and not much? Not sure
Tanking: Good, but cannot use shields, probably depending on dmg output or skeleton minions.

It is very POSSIBLE that the following classes may stick with it, as they have similar mechanics. They are in order of possibility, the first being the most likely to stick with the class:

-Retribution Pallies: Want DPS, some self-supportive healing, able to fight a decent number of mobs without dying. PLUS offensive spells instead of many holy spells made for healing are MUCH better fit for the DPS job. Classes are supposed to be VERY similar, although ironically are opposites.

-Fury Warriors: Want DPS, dont care about healing, want surviveability (not dying as fast), rune system aparrently SIMILAR to rage system (runes regenerate over time, even while in combat, at same rate)

-Combat Warriors: Same as Fury, except a balance in DPS and Tanking capabilities

-Demonology Warlocks: Both classes similar in spell types, tanking ability can replace pets to a certain extent, DPS oriented classes, Dark spells tend to include in MANY cases DoT spells.

-Feral Druids: A mixture of ret pally and fury wars' reasons

-Combat Rogues: Same as Combat Warriors

So, in other words, no current tanks are likely to take up the DK as no shield or some other bonus apart from dmg induced threat does not apply to their current gameplay, and healer are definate no-noes.

In conclusion, NO there wont be a healer wipe from WoW, because healers actually LIKE healing. Second, the DK style of play MAY OR MAY NOT be very similar to a number of classes, causing them to MAYBE turn towards the DK for a longer while or even permanently. I just listed the ones that have more REASONS to do so. Again, no one knos if all priests are actually making a boycott with blizzard to sabbotage WoW, roll DKs and rule the world of teddie bears. Again, it varies, so NOTHING is certain.

Considering you're replying to a flame that's over a month old, you might want to take your own advice? :P

Do visit the thread that are active tho, I'm psyched about the DK and somewhat sad so few people wish to talk about it :(

quote]I'm psyched about the DK and somewhat sad so few people wish to talk about it :([/quote]

Well I've gone from "meh" to "I'll probably make this my main" in the space of about a month. Blizz must be the kings of hype.

There are 4 healing classes in the game currently, but only 3 tanks. It makes logical sense that the first Hero class be a tank. That brings the total of tanks and healers on par class wise. Why do you feel the need for them to release a healer Hero class at the same time? By that logic they really need to release a solely CC/DPS Hero class as well so every "type" of character can have their "own" Hero class.

People need to get out of the mindset that "Hero class" means "Uber and much better than existing classes". This is not the case. It's just Heroic in terms of starting level and how it is acquired. Besides, I'm sure that if the Death Knight goes over well that Blizzard will introduce more Hero classes, possibly a healer.