Guys I need some theory help we have few hunters in kara raids and wtf they doing awful damage (often 4-5th in "damage done") I'm not a hunter myself so I'm asking for info to fix these guys they all ok on gear 5+ epic and weapons off kara.
Please tell most important things hunter need to know to do decent damage in raid, thank you.
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I'm not raiding yet.
But...
Who says that 5th in damage is bad?!?! They may be doing more than DPSing. They may be BM specced, and you're not factoring in their pet's damage. A hunter is never going to out DPS a mage (or shouldn't at any rate), and many other classes can do more damage under certain circumstances.
The correct question would be "They did (x) DPS in a (y) role (CC and DPS, pure DPS, whatever). Is this up to par?"
Then, the guys far more knowledgable than myself might be able to answer your questions.
But...
Who says that 5th in damage is bad?!?! They may be doing more than DPSing. They may be BM specced, and you're not factoring in their pet's damage. A hunter is never going to out DPS a mage (or shouldn't at any rate), and many other classes can do more damage under certain circumstances.
The correct question would be "They did (x) DPS in a (y) role (CC and DPS, pure DPS, whatever). Is this up to par?"
Then, the guys far more knowledgable than myself might be able to answer your questions.
It would be interesting if you could post some damage meters of your runs.
Preferably as WWS report, look [link=]here[/link] for further info.
It is important when looking at the damage that you only compare certain encounters.
Damage meters from the whole run don't say much as there are zones in Kara where mages/locks will shine (those AOE packs) or others where melee classes will shine (such as the trash behind Curator).
Thus post some logs for boss fights if you feel your hunters are lacking. From those you can see if the hunters use the correct abilities to maximize their damage, if they use their pets well, if there are mana problems and so on.
Another area for investigation would be gear, enchants and talent builds.
But I would only go into this area if your hunters do not enough damage while they are using good shot rotations.
So, basically we need a lot more info before we can deliver info *g*.
Preferably as WWS report, look [link=]here[/link] for further info.
It is important when looking at the damage that you only compare certain encounters.
Damage meters from the whole run don't say much as there are zones in Kara where mages/locks will shine (those AOE packs) or others where melee classes will shine (such as the trash behind Curator).
Thus post some logs for boss fights if you feel your hunters are lacking. From those you can see if the hunters use the correct abilities to maximize their damage, if they use their pets well, if there are mana problems and so on.
Another area for investigation would be gear, enchants and talent builds.
But I would only go into this area if your hunters do not enough damage while they are using good shot rotations.
So, basically we need a lot more info before we can deliver info *g*.
Yeah we need more info.
Whats your group makeup?
2 Mages one Rogue?
Whats your group makeup?
2 Mages one Rogue?
Make them get Scorpids for raiding pets if they don't have one already.
Really?! What's with the Scorpids?
dfexpc wrote:
Really?! What's with the Scorpids?
Them scorpids have poison which can do insane damage (and poison damage is not reduced by armor).
However, make sure that there are not two scorpids with the same rank of poison present as this currently will not stack.
Scorpid poison Stacks and iirc, scales with rap, and can do ~700 damage per tick, which is easily the best pet damage. Keep to rank 4, the extra time gives you a chance to reapply the dot.
Have one get rank 4 the other get rank 5. I think when I hit 70 I may get 2 scorpids (1 with 4, 1 with 5) in case another hunter decides to pick up a scorpid as well.
Yuppley wrote:
Scorpid poison Stacks and iirc, scales with rap, and can do ~700 damage per tick, which is easily the best pet damage. Keep to rank 4, the extra time gives you a chance to reapply the dot.
1) It stacks up to 5 times. But on any mob there can only be one stack of scorpid poison rank x at any time. Thus if you have two hunters with scorpids, both with rank 4, then only one scorpid will poison the mob, the other won't apply any poison. The solution to this is to mix ranks, simply make sure every hunter with a scorpid uses a different rank of scorpid poison.
2) Yes, poison damage is affected by RAP. The pet gets 12.5% of the hunters RAP added to their spell damage. The pets spell damage directly affects poison damage (2/15 of the pets spell damage per tick with rank 4; 8/75 of pets spell damage per tick with rank 5).
3) Rank 4 is the best rank. One reason is that your pet has 2 extra seconds to reapply the dot. The other reason is that rank 4 will do more damage, as it gets a higher contribution from spell damage (because of the longer duration of the dot)
The whole math thingy can be found here
ManusDei wrote:
Guys I need some theory help we have few hunters in kara raids and wtf they doing awful damage (often 4-5th in "damage done") I'm not a hunter myself so I'm asking for info to fix these guys they all ok on gear 5+ epic and weapons off kara.
Please tell most important things hunter need to know to do decent damage in raid, thank you.
Please tell most important things hunter need to know to do decent damage in raid, thank you.
Please post WWS logs of your raids so that we can see exactly what the raid makeup is and how the Hunters are performing against the other DPS in the raid.
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