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Hey my guild is starting Gruul this week and I am going to be the mage tank...I was just wondering how much health i should have going into this fight. I have been collecting random +stamina greens. Just need a ballpark estimate, thanks
mages can tank?!! Since when?! I'm gonna give the benefit, of the doubt since pallys can tank now and we had our doubters. "tanking" as a mage means kiting mobs around right? +stam greens wont cut it, go for the blues even purples with lots of stam, stacking defense,dodge, and parry important as well. A mage will never never reach uncrushable because they can't block so keep that in mind because crushing blows hurt. I never heard of a mage tanking it sounds kinda stupid at first but kudos to those who think outside the box.
gone, i didnt read properly my error.
Edited, Aug 12th 2007 6:56pm by Wisedeath
Edited, Aug 12th 2007 6:56pm by Wisedeath
We had a mage tank him, I think it is a common strategy.
And our mage tank didn't kite him.
I think he had (just like you with random stamina greens) about 9,000 HP and three of our healers focused on him.
As far as I remember, he deals between 7 and 8,5k damage on crushing blows, so you should definitely have more than that. He also hits for 4k non-crushing. The key should be to keep you above that at all times, and if possibly always at full HP. Heals can come half a second too late, and then your whole raid is basically toast, if he lands two crushing blows in a row, you will be anyways (but that is not very likely). So as long as you can take his hardest hits, you should be fine as long as your healers spam-heal you.
Edit: By the way, we had a Fire Mage tank him. Not so impressive kiting there anyways.
Edited, Aug 12th 2007 4:45am by renkinja
And our mage tank didn't kite him.
I think he had (just like you with random stamina greens) about 9,000 HP and three of our healers focused on him.
As far as I remember, he deals between 7 and 8,5k damage on crushing blows, so you should definitely have more than that. He also hits for 4k non-crushing. The key should be to keep you above that at all times, and if possibly always at full HP. Heals can come half a second too late, and then your whole raid is basically toast, if he lands two crushing blows in a row, you will be anyways (but that is not very likely). So as long as you can take his hardest hits, you should be fine as long as your healers spam-heal you.
Edit: By the way, we had a Fire Mage tank him. Not so impressive kiting there anyways.
Edited, Aug 12th 2007 4:45am by renkinja
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We had a mage tank him, I think it is a common strategy.
And our mage tank didn't kite him.
I think he had (just like you with random stamina greens) about 9,000 HP and three of our healers focused on him.
As far as I remember, he deals between 7 and 8,5k damage on crushing blows, so you should definitely have more than that. He also hits for 4k non-crushing. The key should be to keep you above that at all times, and if possibly always at full HP. Heals can come half a second too late, and then your whole raid is basically toast, if he lands two crushing blows in a row, you will be anyways (but that is not very likely). So as long as you can take his hardest hits, you should be fine as long as your healers spam-heal you.
And our mage tank didn't kite him.
I think he had (just like you with random stamina greens) about 9,000 HP and three of our healers focused on him.
As far as I remember, he deals between 7 and 8,5k damage on crushing blows, so you should definitely have more than that. He also hits for 4k non-crushing. The key should be to keep you above that at all times, and if possibly always at full HP. Heals can come half a second too late, and then your whole raid is basically toast, if he lands two crushing blows in a row, you will be anyways (but that is not very likely). So as long as you can take his hardest hits, you should be fine as long as your healers spam-heal you.
If thats the case then whats the point of having a mage as a tank? Your better off putting a Warrior,paladin, or Bear up there, Bears have the higest Hp/armor while Warriors and Paladins can reach uncrushable status. They also mitigate damage ten times better than a mage more damage mitigation means less healing and less healing means your healers are less likely to go OOM and thats when the mage gets squashed. Honestly if this is the case the tanking job should be left to the proffesionals.
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Uh..actually you are suppose to put a mage on him to tank it. The point is, since Krosh is a fire mage, you Spellsteal his Fire Ward to absorb his fireballs, while all ranged dps melt his face. You don't melee him since his Blast Wave will rip apart your melee dps. You should have 10-12k hp in the gear to tank him, because you have to take a bit of dmg once the fire ward comes down. 1 single healer should be able to keep you(the mage) alive while your dps downs him. Assuming of course your healer is on the ball and not in garbage gear. Krosh will not melee unless he burns out his mana pool, and if he does that, you fail anyways since your raid is lacking on dps.
Edited, Aug 12th 2007 8:24am by Altrizia
Edited, Aug 12th 2007 8:24am by Altrizia
I've tanked him a few times, for those of you saying that it is not possible, please research the fight before you turn down the OP, it is a common strategy. Here is my advice:
Get all health buffs you can and have at least one dedicated healer incase you get too close and he casts a blastwave
Constantly keep hitting spellsteal when you are not dpsing to make sure you always have the buff.
Buy any health/stamina gear you can (greens are fine) shoot for about 11k+ hp buffed (including imp, etc)
It really is pretty simple, you will start the entire fight with your biggest shot (mine was a simple frostbolt) and I counted down to let the hunters/etc know when to pull the rest of the guys. After that spellsteal his fire shield then stay a good 12ft away so that you are not hit by his blastwave (that will most likely kill you, especially after getting hit by his empowered fireball).
for more info check out bosskillers.com
Edited, Aug 12th 2007 8:46am by Anobix
Get all health buffs you can and have at least one dedicated healer incase you get too close and he casts a blastwave
Constantly keep hitting spellsteal when you are not dpsing to make sure you always have the buff.
Buy any health/stamina gear you can (greens are fine) shoot for about 11k+ hp buffed (including imp, etc)
It really is pretty simple, you will start the entire fight with your biggest shot (mine was a simple frostbolt) and I counted down to let the hunters/etc know when to pull the rest of the guys. After that spellsteal his fire shield then stay a good 12ft away so that you are not hit by his blastwave (that will most likely kill you, especially after getting hit by his empowered fireball).
for more info check out bosskillers.com
Edited, Aug 12th 2007 8:46am by Anobix
Yes, ignore all the people who are saying mages cannot ever tank, they obviously have never stepped foot inside Gruul's Lair. This is one fight where having a mage tank Krosh is the best option. Tanking means keeping the mobs attention, it doesn't have to mean standing next to him and taking a beating :) 2 hunters or a Moonkin druid tank the shaman from range as well. It's fun to have something different to do.
I'm not a mage, but I just wanted to note that we use our mage who has the best stam gear AND still has a decent amount of +hit. Getting a resist when you try to steal the shield sucks. So, try to stack your stamina on a few pieces while leaving some of your spell hit stuff on. As you're just starting, you might not have the best stam gear though, so worry about your health first.
Edited, Aug 12th 2007 8:32am by Khalane
I'm not a mage, but I just wanted to note that we use our mage who has the best stam gear AND still has a decent amount of +hit. Getting a resist when you try to steal the shield sucks. So, try to stack your stamina on a few pieces while leaving some of your spell hit stuff on. As you're just starting, you might not have the best stam gear though, so worry about your health first.
Edited, Aug 12th 2007 8:32am by Khalane
Anobix wrote:
I've tanked him a few times, for those of you saying that it is not possible, please research the fight before you turn down the OP, it is a common strategy. Here is my advice:
Yes folks, please look into the fight before you tell someone it can't be done. It's not just the most common strategy, it's the only strategy you can use that doesn't require many healers on a tank and all of them OOM very quickly.
Anobix hits it all on the head. 11k hp buffed should be fine, though I'd say 12k after Blessing of Kings.
Khalane also makes a good point about resisted spell steals, if you have a mage with 10 points in Arcane Focus I'd suggest using him/her as your mage tank as they already have 10% of the +hit that they need.
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