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Hush hush "feralninja" go back to the place you have hidden for the last weeks.
There is still no need for your gibberish here.

Did anyone understand what Feralninja said?

Sounds like a plan. People who have half a page of sig annoys me.

You can still see his post, Xordon? How? I can't see it - I assume because it got rated down so much. I sort of enjoy trying to read his posts...mostly because I'm a *********. And you were really close on his language, but it's still too readable. You have to eliminate more letters. I'd give it a try, but I fear going to the dark side. *cowers*

Yup, north's right. Oh, and for further information on "the dark side" just PM North the following: "I HAVE CHOCOLATE PUDDING U DON'T LOL"

If it has the proper impact, you'll know the full fury of the dark side before sundown.

"When you look at the dark side, careful you must be ... for the dark side looks back." - Yoda.

Some doors... are better left closed. What do you find when open them? Different rooms? Truths? Lies? No... What you find when you open doors are consequences. Some doors... are bigger than others. Open them at your peril, mortals.

2.4k agi, less than 2.2k AP... makes as much sense as wearing a snowsuit in the middle of July while jogging.

Yes, it is comparable, let me actually do the math for you:

Legacy: Quantum Blade:
40 agility 31 stamina
46 stamina 30 crit rating
80 attack power 102 attack power
8 mana/5

The 40 agility from legacy will give you an additional 39 attack power and 0.84% crit chance.

Meanwhile, 30 crit rating for a lvl 70 hunter = 1.35% crit chance

So, if a level 70 hunter uses Quantum Blade instead of Legacy, they will:
LOSE:
15 stamina (150 health)
40 agility (39 attack power, dodge, armor)
8 mana/5
GAIN:
0.5% crit chance

Would it be an upgrade for PvE and raiding over Legacy, no. PvP, yes, definately.

So if you don't have Legacy yet, whether you've been unlucky as hell with the drop (me), or just don't have a guild that has their act together, Quantum Blade would be great.

And you wouldn't look like every other hunter in the whole damn world of warcraft...

*edit spelling*

Edited, Aug 10th 2007 2:54pm by Smoothrustic

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I fail to see how Quantum Blade is an upgrade for Legacy in either PvE or PvP. Also, I think your numbers are off for Legacy's AP and crit%.

The only gain with QB is roughly 8 crit rating. 40 Agi on Legacy = 22.08 crit rating = 1% crit. QB with 30 crit rating = 1.36% crit. But you're losing 15 Stam, 18 AP (80AP + 40Agi = 120AP minus 102AP on QB = 18AP difference), over 1% dodge, 80 Armor, and 8 mp5. Last time I checked, all of those are beneficial to both PvE and PvP.

Small consideration, but QB = 108.6 dps, Legacy = 114.0 dps. Both are same speed. Not that you'll probably be doing much melee, but Legacy is better.

Again, maybe I'm missing something, but how is QB an upgrade?

If you want to use QB just so you're different, say so. But, I don't think you can say it's better than Legacy.

Calculations based on info on wowwiki hunter page

Edited, Aug 10th 2007 4:20pm by azwing

Erm... 1 agi gives 0.025% chance to crit. 1 agi also gives 1 attack power. So, 40 agi = +1% chance to crit and 40 AP. No more, no less. This is how it's been since TBC patch.

So, Legacy vs. QB:
AP: 120 vs. 102.
Stam: 46 vs. 31.
Crit %: 1 vs. ~1.36.
MP5: 8 vs. 0.

So, if you pick Legacy over QB, you gain: 18 AP, 15 Stam and 8 MP5. You loose 0.36 crit chance. So, obviously, Legacy is the way to go both PvP and PvE, since resilience kills crits dead (and you benefit more from hitting harder regularly rather than bursty).


Well, it's 150 HP for 0.36 crit, and needless to say I'd go with HP. Anything to get past the 10k line. Oh, and MP5 is essencial in PvP, unless you assume you die to ress with full mana. Dying should never be prerequisite for being able to PvP. Also, if you dodge a Hamstring and get out of melee range before GCD on Overpower, you've got yourself one sad warrior. If not, and the Hamstring hits, you've got a very dead you.


Sadly I've never done heroic BM. I've been told that it's too hard (hence no PUG:s) and my guildies have raids or PvP to do. If I did go, though, it'd be for getting QB on my warrior.

My guess at the "best" group combo on this one would be:
Tank: Prot Warrior.
Healer: Resto Druid.
DPS 1: Affliction Warlcock.
DPS 2: Frost or Arcane Mage (Fire is overaggro deluxe).
DPS 3: Any. Hunter in this case.

Plan of action: Basicly ask the lock to keep DoT's up on the mini-bosses, and shadowbolt spamming. When the adds come, have the mage AoE them and the lock throw SoC (I'm not sure whether they die before SoC has any effect, but I'm going to assume otherwise). Druids for president as always. Just keep tank and the one that's got aggro on the adds HoT:ed. To break down the DPS, you've basicly got:
1 - Helps with adds and nukes boss.
2 - Nukes adds.
3 - Nukes boss.
A BM hunter would do "3" very well, since you can have the pet constantly attacking the boss, and WTF-nuke yourself. You can also try to keep Frost Trap down, so that the mage only has to pull the adds inside to get easier kiting.

I have no idea about the bosses, but your best bet is WoWwiki. That's where you get all the info. If the heroic bosses are anything like the normal, the 2nd will be the hardest. Your tank will need to go all out TPS, so that the DPS can go all out DPS. Burst him down, or you're gonna have a dead tank with all those healing debuffs. A good trick on the last boss (at least it works on normal mode) is for the tank to reflect the stun. Now, the boss is immune to stun, so it won't get stunned. Point is you've bought your tank some time. Also, druids are awesome here, since they loose little healing while being stunned or moving around (heroic mech 2nd boss, and arca 1st boss).

That's about all I can come up with.

Adds if left untouched will go straight for the shield. I've found in normal that what works best is if only one person deals with adds(hunter or frost mage seem to work best for this). They should stand nearer the shield and then kite/nuke/CC the adds down. As soon as the miniboss/boss is down the dps nukes down the remaining adds, and gets ready for the next boss.

I don't really see any alternative to this, as if you have less dps on the miniboss/boss more adds will get out. I assume taking down the bosses fast is even more important in heroic.

It's really important that no one else touch the adds though.

This lets you get the bosses down asap. While on normal we don't use a beacon for the 2nd boss, it would probably be good on heroic.

Sadly I'm also speaking from a lack of experience in heroic, but I've found that multiple people on adds just causes trouble.

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