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whats the best spec for offtanking in your opinion then tell my why. thanks a bunch
Well i always off-tanked with a 41/5/15 spec.
You will keep ur dps up for grinding/lvlling or whatever and stiull be able to off-tank real nice
You will keep ur dps up for grinding/lvlling or whatever and stiull be able to off-tank real nice
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i'm pretty sure i could MT everything up to maulgar with this build if i tried... gurrl is a definite 'no' and maulgar is a definite 'maybe'
blood frenzy vs. second wind to taste (raid dps vs. pvp viability)
imp demo vs imp disciplines to taste. for all the hate imp disciplines gets... 3 x 21 sec recklessness per hour >>>> 2 x 15 sec recklessness, at least as long as fun-factor is weighed heavily.
mmmm.... 21 sec reck with last stand.... bwuah ha hah ah ah hahahaa ha aa aaa
i'm pretty sure i could MT everything up to maulgar with this build if i tried... gurrl is a definite 'no' and maulgar is a definite 'maybe'
blood frenzy vs. second wind to taste (raid dps vs. pvp viability)
imp demo vs imp disciplines to taste. for all the hate imp disciplines gets... 3 x 21 sec recklessness per hour >>>> 2 x 15 sec recklessness, at least as long as fun-factor is weighed heavily.
mmmm.... 21 sec reck with last stand.... bwuah ha hah ah ah hahahaa ha aa aaa
anybody have a build thats half prot and half fury or arms?
ChlKilt: Why on earth would you want to go 41 points in arms? :o Last time I checked there was little utility at all past the 7th tier, lighten me up if I'm wrong though.
axhed (and OP): That's pretty much the essencials. If you want to get picky, 2h spec > Impale, and Imp. Bloodrage > Anticipation (providing that you've got 490 defense in tanking gear) but that's not really a point. Seeing how Ax proved 2/5 in Imp. Demo. Shout is all you need for boss mitigation, I'd advise to keep those points.
axhed (and OP): That's pretty much the essencials. If you want to get picky, 2h spec > Impale, and Imp. Bloodrage > Anticipation (providing that you've got 490 defense in tanking gear) but that's not really a point. Seeing how Ax proved 2/5 in Imp. Demo. Shout is all you need for boss mitigation, I'd advise to keep those points.
Why not? This was a built i worked with for 1 reason: I needed to grind and lvl for money but wanted to be able to tank the simple instances as well.
Grinding was good as i had enough damage and tanking was good also (tanked shadow labs untill picking up key fragement)
I'm a prot warrior now btw
And pls lighten me up as for i'm not the expert here and most likely wrong (just pointing out it worked for me)
Edited, Aug 9th 2007 5:19am by ChlKilt
Grinding was good as i had enough damage and tanking was good also (tanked shadow labs untill picking up key fragement)
I'm a prot warrior now btw
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Last time I checked there was little utility at all past the 7th tier
And pls lighten me up as for i'm not the expert here and most likely wrong (just pointing out it worked for me)
Edited, Aug 9th 2007 5:19am by ChlKilt
It fairly easy - cause with a decent, slow twohander, you should never be struggling for rage, thus ER is pretty useless. And 5% bonus of Imp. Mortal Strike isn't enough to make it worthwhile to put more than 31 points in Arms tree. These 6 points could be spent much better elswhere.
Aye, Kahmeel's right.
I wasn't flaming you ChlKilt. Merely wondering why you'd choose such a spec. Now, of course this works quite alright. If you know how to play a warrior you could grind fairly good un-specced. That's not the point. I'm personally against hybrid specs overall myself, since I get the feeling I'm gimped in all directions.
Now, on the note of the last tiers of the arms tree: You spend 5 points to decrease the CD by 1 sec and increase the damage by 5%. Now, even with this fully maxed out I'd be very much surprised if your MS is more than 10% of your total damage done in a raid. Needless to say, you're spending 5 points to increase your overall DPS by 0.5%. Now, if this talent was somehow linked to an awesome 41 point talent (note that this is not the case. Imp. MS is not linked to ER, and ER is about as awesome as Imp. Rend) you might want to spec it. Now, if you go with 41/5/15 you're spending 6 points completely in vain, not to mention you could have an additional 2 in the fury tree, to end you up with 33/13/15 (or something similar).
I just can't see any sane reason to spec Imp. MS and ER at the moment.
I wasn't flaming you ChlKilt. Merely wondering why you'd choose such a spec. Now, of course this works quite alright. If you know how to play a warrior you could grind fairly good un-specced. That's not the point. I'm personally against hybrid specs overall myself, since I get the feeling I'm gimped in all directions.
Now, on the note of the last tiers of the arms tree: You spend 5 points to decrease the CD by 1 sec and increase the damage by 5%. Now, even with this fully maxed out I'd be very much surprised if your MS is more than 10% of your total damage done in a raid. Needless to say, you're spending 5 points to increase your overall DPS by 0.5%. Now, if this talent was somehow linked to an awesome 41 point talent (note that this is not the case. Imp. MS is not linked to ER, and ER is about as awesome as Imp. Rend) you might want to spec it. Now, if you go with 41/5/15 you're spending 6 points completely in vain, not to mention you could have an additional 2 in the fury tree, to end you up with 33/13/15 (or something similar).
I just can't see any sane reason to spec Imp. MS and ER at the moment.
As a complete side note - I feel like endless rage should belong in a completely different tree. If it would be part of the protection tree, then I'd be the first to take it. Not because it would be a great thing for raids or instances - just for the sake of soloing.
Sunders, shield slams, revenges, devastates and occasional shield blocks - these cost a lot of rage, and while a slow weapon might yield circa 15 rage per swing (sometimes less, sometimes more with a crit), my poor ole grunt's waraxe ain't doing so hot at rage generation.
But in Arms tree, ER is completely useless.
So, not to make this post a total derail:
Try something similar to this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0cZVxzm0xoZfEzoI0zbxo
I know, I know, RPZip and many others oftentimes pointed out the uselessness of Improved Sunders, but this build isn't supposed to be fine-tuned for main tanking Illidan, but it should be enough for an off tank / tanking regular instances. The reason behind getting to death wish and not imp. slam for example is to achieve insane shield slam crits. I'm pretty sure some of ya know the site Tankspot.com - they have a section called "Stupid Shield Slams" that show SS's of... 6000-8000.
Here's a nicely done PvP video of a prot warrior:
http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=40096
Check out the Stage6 version of the vid - nice quality/size ratio.
The guy's chosen different prot talents, but I wanted to combine the general idea with more tanking viability and less PvP viability (note that this guy hasn't even chosen defiance, cause it's not usefull for pvp).
PS. If we shave off one point from prot tree (maybe from Tactical Mastery or Bloodrage) and one from Imp. Thunder Clap, we could even squeeze in an Imp. Slam in there.
PS2. OP - Aesop Rock and Atmosphere. Say no more.
Edited, Aug 9th 2007 10:24pm by Kahmeel
Sunders, shield slams, revenges, devastates and occasional shield blocks - these cost a lot of rage, and while a slow weapon might yield circa 15 rage per swing (sometimes less, sometimes more with a crit), my poor ole grunt's waraxe ain't doing so hot at rage generation.
But in Arms tree, ER is completely useless.
So, not to make this post a total derail:
Commonfury wrote:
anybody have a build thats half prot and half fury or arms?
Try something similar to this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0cZVxzm0xoZfEzoI0zbxo
I know, I know, RPZip and many others oftentimes pointed out the uselessness of Improved Sunders, but this build isn't supposed to be fine-tuned for main tanking Illidan, but it should be enough for an off tank / tanking regular instances. The reason behind getting to death wish and not imp. slam for example is to achieve insane shield slam crits. I'm pretty sure some of ya know the site Tankspot.com - they have a section called "Stupid Shield Slams" that show SS's of... 6000-8000.
Here's a nicely done PvP video of a prot warrior:
http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=40096
Check out the Stage6 version of the vid - nice quality/size ratio.
The guy's chosen different prot talents, but I wanted to combine the general idea with more tanking viability and less PvP viability (note that this guy hasn't even chosen defiance, cause it's not usefull for pvp).
PS. If we shave off one point from prot tree (maybe from Tactical Mastery or Bloodrage) and one from Imp. Thunder Clap, we could even squeeze in an Imp. Slam in there.
PS2. OP - Aesop Rock and Atmosphere. Say no more.
Edited, Aug 9th 2007 10:24pm by Kahmeel
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