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#1 Aug 06 2007 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
So Im new to the game if any one cant tell,
but besides that
i saw a warlock with a sword and was shocked since most games don't allow magic users to wield a sword
but i was wondering how i could get my hands on that ability, where i might find the guy to teach me to use sword, and the character im looking for?

im an undead warlock and i would really appreciate the help
thanks
Razneil

Edited, Aug 6th 2007 11:29pm by razneil
#2 Aug 06 2007 at 7:53 PM Rating: Default
Weapon skills are trained (bought) by Weapon Masters in all the capital cities across Azeroth. Warlock can use Daggers, Wands, 1h Swords (with training) and 2h Staves (with training).

Each trained skill will run you 10 silver, so if you're *brand* new to the game, this might actually be a bit of an investment for you, but I suggest you get all your skills so you can equip whatever items have the best stats for you at the time.

For you, Archibald in the Undercity will have the weapon skill you're looking for. Ask a guard about the "Weapon Master" and he'll point you in the right direction.

In the end, weapon types become totally irrelevent, and what you're really looking at is stats and practicality. The only skill I would say you need to have kept up is wands, and even wands become less about DPS and more about firing speed and magic type and of course the stats.
#3 Aug 06 2007 at 8:05 PM Rating: Decent
Gandalf wielded Glamdring.

For the most part locks shouldn't use swords (a few are okay) - because we hold weapons only for stats. Up til lvl, oh, five maybe, it's normal to melee a little.

But locks and other casters reach a point where their melee Attack Power (AP) is so stinkin low that meleeing does very little.

In fact, the only reasons to have ones weapons skills up (or for meleeing) are:

(1) getting rid of totems in pvp - meleeing them down in one blow is often faster than wanding em away, and

(2) fighting creatures like those skels in Scholo that are immune to all magic.

Right click any weapons master in any city to find out which one teaches sword.
#4 Aug 07 2007 at 3:14 PM Rating: Decent
razneil wrote:
So Im new to the game if any one cant tell,
but besides that i saw a warlock with a sword and was shocked since most games don't allow magic users to wield a sword but i was wondering how i could get my hands on that ability, where i might find the guy to teach me to use sword, and the character im looking for?

im an undead warlock and i would really appreciate the help
thanks
Razneil

Let me expand a bit on what IponemaGirl said: Weapons are irrelevant. Weapon DPS means absolutely jack. Weapon speed means absolutely jack. Whether it's a sword/off-hand, a dagger/off-hand, or a staff means absolutely jack. I would rather wield a .000000001 DPS lollipop with +STA, +INT, and +Spell Damage than a 150DPS sword that gives +STR, +AGI and +SPI - all useless to a warlock.
#5 Aug 07 2007 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
in pvp you dont need skill so you dont have to "lvl" the skill to beat down those totems..
#6 Aug 08 2007 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
I beg to differ, when a lvl 70 warlock goes against a lvl 70 shamman, and his weapon skills is at...say....150, that totem will not go down in one shot. Those swings will miss, they will do 1 point of dmg, they will do 4 points of damage, and if you're lucky to see this, that totem will dodge.
#7 Aug 08 2007 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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ohmikeghod the Venerable wrote:
I would rather wield a .000000001 DPS lollipop ...


Conjurer's Staff anyone?
I tried 5 enchants to try and hide the looks and that awful pink color on that one, lollipop indeed.... was so happy when I got rid of it.
Blizzard sometimes tend to forget not all WoW players are 5 years old.

#8 Aug 08 2007 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
totem dodge? no way. I want to see a screen shot of that.
#9 Aug 08 2007 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
double post

but personally, I think it looks stupid. If you want swords roll a rogue or warrior (hunters can use them too). But it would be hypocritical of me to condemn them entirely. I do like my characters to look cool to a certain extent. And I think warlocks get swords because they think it looks cooler than a staff. Yes I have seen a few swords with spell damage, but not that many.

And don't get me started on low levels getting enchanting because it looks cool. I can see twinks doing it (though I don't like twinks either- seems like they only want to beat up on noobs), but when I see a level 61 hunter with an enchants on his weaps I just had to laugh. In my 60's I replaced my gear every 2 levels as better gear quickly came along. Both melee and ranged got replaced every 2 levels.

Edited, Aug 8th 2007 6:00pm by thrashering
#10 Aug 08 2007 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
You train swords in undercity.
#11 Aug 08 2007 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
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thrashering wrote:
Yes I have seen a few swords with spell damage, but not that many.

This one would do just fine for me, and not for looks tho I really like the way it looks like.
The point with swords versus staves is you can use offhand that can add more than just few very useful stats.

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when I see a level 61 hunter with an enchants on his weaps I just had to laugh


You would laugh too when you saw my level 46 hunter with both daggers having +15 agi enchant on them.
Well, maybe you wouldnt laugh that hard when you knew how much those enchants actually cost :)


Edited, Aug 8th 2007 6:26pm by Sethy
#12 Aug 08 2007 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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(1) getting rid of totems in pvp - meleeing them down in one blow is often faster than wanding em away, and

(2) fighting creatures like those skels in Scholo that are immune to all magic.


ya but you can do that with daggers or staves.
if I was to lvl in one weapon type I would go for staves, cause they (very often) give good stats and are a lot better than daggers...BUT with a 1hand sword you can use a offhand thingy that gives extra stats, etc.
#13 Aug 08 2007 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
The weapon type doesn't matter at all, although imo sword/dagger + OH are better. You'll generally get more spell damage from this combo, whereas staves will give more stats. Plus when totem killing, staves are too slow. If you have a sword with 1.5 attack speed you'll be killing totems almost twice as fast then with a staff, and that can be crucial. As soon as I get the dagger/sword from gruul or prince I'm getting rid of my staff (although I'm gonna miss the +61 stam).

But basically, weapon type does not matter. And there are alot of swords with +spell damage, but they're mostly at higher levels.
#14 Aug 10 2007 at 10:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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And don't get me started on low levels getting enchanting because it looks cool. I can see twinks doing it (though I don't like twinks either- seems like they only want to beat up on noobs), but when I see a level 61 hunter with an enchants on his weaps I just had to laugh. In my 60's I replaced my gear every 2 levels as better gear quickly came along. Both melee and ranged got replaced every 2 levels.


Don’t laugh too hard, your… lack of insight might show. People have a very bad habit of judging everyone else by their own experiences. And I must admit to being guilty of this myself. But we should all keep in mind that there is nearly an infinite number of ways to play our characters. One of my hunters, for example, sat at level 55 for over a year. He gathered herbs and killed mobs that got in his way, but I wasn’t actively leveling him. Money spent on cool looking enchants would have been a good investment, as they would have lasted over a year. All I’m trying to get at is that we shouldn’t jump to conclusions when we see someone doing something differently than we ourselves do, seeing as how we don’t have all the facts.

As for weapons, I almost always use staves on casters. I have nothing against using a 1H weapon and an off hand weapon. I’d actually like that for a change. But I’ve never found anything better for any of my casters. This may have to do with the fact that I don’t PvP, I don’t raid and I almost never go into instances with my casters. So I’m left with quest rewards, world drops and the auction house.
#15 Aug 10 2007 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
You sure you don't need weapon skill to whack a totem?

I can recall hiting them w/ a staff (very little weapon skill) - and not killing them in one blow.

But w/ dagger (which skill got upped from many scholo runs - for the stupid hat and shoulders that NEVER DROPPED, argh) I could take out a totem easily, in one blow.

Maybe it doesn't affect whether you hit or not, but it at least used to seem to affect the damage you did.
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