I just hit level 35 and got VE, and was wondering what the most efficient casting sequence would be when I am soloing.
Or if it's not the most efficient, I would like to know just what you higher levels cast when you fight.
Thanks!
P.S. I usually cast MB, SW:P, VE, Mind Flay x2 then wand.
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Depending on the type of mobs I cast as follows:
renew, VE, MB, SW:P, MF, MF, Wand, loot
Try different spell rotations, see which one lets you kill faster and not take as much of a beating in the process.
renew, VE, MB, SW:P, MF, MF, Wand, loot
Try different spell rotations, see which one lets you kill faster and not take as much of a beating in the process.
Scholar
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It's been a while since I played at 35 (I'm at 68 now), do you have Vamipric Touch yet? If not, no big deal...
I have a macro setup to deal SW:P, then VE, and it resets itself on leaving combat or switching targets. I find this makes me use VE every battle, and since it only takes, what, 35 mana, there is no reason not to use it. I'd go, assuming you have VT: VT, SW:P, VE, PW:S, MB, MF, then I repeat MB and MF as MB is available. Without VT: MB, SW:P, VE, PW:S, MB, MF, MB/MF repeat like above.
I find that if the mob is at least 2 lvls lower than me I can do away with PW:S to conserve some mana. Actually, it works that way with mobs up to my lvl, probably even 1 higher, but it gets much riskier. When you do get VT and if your wand is good enough you can VT, SW:P, VE, PW:S, Wand. The VT and SW:P will be enough to keep your health up (via VE) and it will save you on mana. Me, I'm impatient, so I rarely use my wand, but I spend a fortune on mana drinks (not potions).
Anyway, I'm sure there are better methods, but that seems to work fine for me. At 35 I'd imagine you could get 2-3 kills in a row before having to rest for mana. At lvl 68 I'd imagine I go 4-5 kills between needing rest, but I rarely solo anymore so I'm not certain.
I also want to add that the reason I start with VT (or MB) is because they are the longest cast times and I use them to pull, that way when I add my PW:shield I get the full 30 seconds out of it. However, when soloing I find that the time limit is rarely an issue, it's the mob taking my shield out before the Weakened Soul is up. So, it might be better to shield, THEN do the other stuff. If this is the case, I'd do the instant casts first: SW:P, VE, then the VT/MB.
Sorry for this mess of a post. It's my first time trying to give advice, and I see now that I'm entirely unqualified. Oh, but this I know for certain: Get the mod Decursive! It will make dungeons/battlegrounds MUCH easier!
Jeff
Chancresore, Guild: Uno, Server: The one that starts with Q.
I have a macro setup to deal SW:P, then VE, and it resets itself on leaving combat or switching targets. I find this makes me use VE every battle, and since it only takes, what, 35 mana, there is no reason not to use it. I'd go, assuming you have VT: VT, SW:P, VE, PW:S, MB, MF, then I repeat MB and MF as MB is available. Without VT: MB, SW:P, VE, PW:S, MB, MF, MB/MF repeat like above.
I find that if the mob is at least 2 lvls lower than me I can do away with PW:S to conserve some mana. Actually, it works that way with mobs up to my lvl, probably even 1 higher, but it gets much riskier. When you do get VT and if your wand is good enough you can VT, SW:P, VE, PW:S, Wand. The VT and SW:P will be enough to keep your health up (via VE) and it will save you on mana. Me, I'm impatient, so I rarely use my wand, but I spend a fortune on mana drinks (not potions).
Anyway, I'm sure there are better methods, but that seems to work fine for me. At 35 I'd imagine you could get 2-3 kills in a row before having to rest for mana. At lvl 68 I'd imagine I go 4-5 kills between needing rest, but I rarely solo anymore so I'm not certain.
I also want to add that the reason I start with VT (or MB) is because they are the longest cast times and I use them to pull, that way when I add my PW:shield I get the full 30 seconds out of it. However, when soloing I find that the time limit is rarely an issue, it's the mob taking my shield out before the Weakened Soul is up. So, it might be better to shield, THEN do the other stuff. If this is the case, I'd do the instant casts first: SW:P, VE, then the VT/MB.
Sorry for this mess of a post. It's my first time trying to give advice, and I see now that I'm entirely unqualified. Oh, but this I know for certain: Get the mod Decursive! It will make dungeons/battlegrounds MUCH easier!
Jeff
Chancresore, Guild: Uno, Server: The one that starts with Q.
Vamp Touch is at the bottom of the tree. The 41st point.
From what I remember, my cast order was MB, SW:P, PW:S, MF, MF, wand until death when they are around 40% health. If they're not below 40%, maybe another MB/MF. The only time I ever use VE is if I start attacking the next mob with 80% or less health or if I get adds.
From what I remember, my cast order was MB, SW:P, PW:S, MF, MF, wand until death when they are around 40% health. If they're not below 40%, maybe another MB/MF. The only time I ever use VE is if I start attacking the next mob with 80% or less health or if I get adds.
well this is usually mine.
shield, HF, SW:P, MB, Wand, MF
if it is an eliete or a boss i will add in DP after SW:P
that usually takes them down before my shield goes down.
shield, HF, SW:P, MB, Wand, MF
if it is an eliete or a boss i will add in DP after SW:P
that usually takes them down before my shield goes down.
Only shadow replies so far, so here's a holy one:
Pop trinket.
Holy fire.
Smite.
Smite.
Wand.
Loot.
Repeat.
Not all that different.
Pop trinket.
Holy fire.
Smite.
Smite.
Wand.
Loot.
Repeat.
Not all that different.
Holy Fire
Sw:P <-!!!
Smite
Smite
Smite
:P
I used
Pw:S
MB
Run away while casting Sw:P
Mf
Mf
Wand
After u get Vampiric Touch (level 50 at least :/) u can go:
VT
Away while casting Sw:P
Still running while casting VE (instant casts = 1.5 sec global cooldown, that time is what i mean)
Mf
Mf
Wand
- No Pw:S needed.
Sw:P <-!!!
Smite
Smite
Smite
:P
I used
Pw:S
MB
Run away while casting Sw:P
Mf
Mf
Wand
After u get Vampiric Touch (level 50 at least :/) u can go:
VT
Away while casting Sw:P
Still running while casting VE (instant casts = 1.5 sec global cooldown, that time is what i mean)
Mf
Mf
Wand
- No Pw:S needed.
fnordicus wrote:
Only shadow replies so far, so here's a holy one:
Pop trinket.
Holy fire.
Smite.
Smite.
Wand.
Loot.
Repeat.
Pop trinket.
Holy fire.
Smite.
Smite.
Wand.
Loot.
Repeat.
Actually:
Holy Fire (free smite[, free smite, dead])
Smite (free smite[, free smite, dead])
Smite (free smite, dead)
Wand
Surge of Light is still bugged, so if SoL crits, it can give (50%) another SoL. I've had 2-3 in a row. The higher your crit chance, the more efficient you are with SoL. And if you get Spirit Tap also... :D
I don't spec for surge of light.
It's a completely worthless talent for me.
I don't use sw:p either, as some of my damage gear is holy damage only.
I have absolutely no offensive talents at all, and I solo just fine. All you need is a decent spell damage set. Heal some heroics and scrounge up all the crap dps casters don't want. If my Skyguard trinket procs and I pop my badge bought one, my spell damage is easily over 1k.
Edit: I just looked at your spec Pilgrim and, uh.... I'm having trouble understanding it. Why would you go that deep into shadow and not take shadow affinity, full 5/5 shadow focus, misery or VT? Is this some weird arena build?
Edited, Aug 8th 2007 10:14am by fnordicus
It's a completely worthless talent for me.
I don't use sw:p either, as some of my damage gear is holy damage only.
I have absolutely no offensive talents at all, and I solo just fine. All you need is a decent spell damage set. Heal some heroics and scrounge up all the crap dps casters don't want. If my Skyguard trinket procs and I pop my badge bought one, my spell damage is easily over 1k.
Edit: I just looked at your spec Pilgrim and, uh.... I'm having trouble understanding it. Why would you go that deep into shadow and not take shadow affinity, full 5/5 shadow focus, misery or VT? Is this some weird arena build?
Edited, Aug 8th 2007 10:14am by fnordicus
Something I'm very confused about is all of these spell listings that incorporate MF, but no PW:S before it. If you MF with no bubble, you're going to get max 2 tics out of it, usually 1, making it useless. Any ideas on this?
Also, OT, but I hit 51 a few days ago, so I'm still getting used to VT, but here's my normal list: MF (to get first tic of weaving), pop PW:S, SW:P (second tic of weaving, VT, MF, MF.
I do the SW:P before the VT so that I make sure that SW:P is fueling VT for it's entire (shorter) duration. The double DoT of VT and SW:P is massive, I rarely have to wand after the last MF. I only bust out MB if it's a tough Mob. Those of you who are using it for normal grinding are wasting a lot of mana. As far as VE is concerned, I use it in group only, or in an emergency. Bubble takes care of just about everything I do. The only time bubble runs out for me is when I aggro a second mob, that's when you start spamming MB and MF to get a quick kill then bubble up and take out the add.
fnordicus wrote:
Edit: I just looked at your spec Pilgrim and, uh.... I'm having trouble understanding it. Why would you go that deep into shadow and not take shadow affinity, full 5/5 shadow focus, misery or VT? Is this some weird arena build?
I don't know if you looked at the date when the allakhazam profile was updated, but it's like a few months ago. I guess i should add my armory profile in signature, huh? That was the solo/leveling build. No use for VT or misery, same with shadow focus and weaving.
here's my armory link.
@Caeremonia: No need for using Shield if you use mind flay smart. Flay until the mob gets to you, then either MB and wand, or Scream (rank 1) and flay some more :). All this while Pain does it's job.
@ Caeremonia -
If you really want to talk about mana inefficiency:
Power Word: Shield - 600 mana (355 @ lvl 51)
Mind Blast - 450 mana (310 @ lvl 51)
Rank 1 Psychic Scream - 100 mana always
Anyone using Power Word: Shield in their rotation shouldn't be preaching about Mind Blast. Just hit em with a Mind Blast and move on. Almost equally mana inefficient, but at least you kill em more quickly and can move on to another. If your over-relying on Mind Flay, hit Psychic Scream when they get up on you and then immediately mind flay them to tether them to you. Mind Blast and Psychic Scream together cost less than a Shield.
Also...Quit pulling mobs with Shadow Word: Pain people. It's an instant cast spell. Pull with Vampiric Touch or Mind Blast. Then the casting time is used out of combat and not with a mob running at you to eat your face. Plus you can instantly hit SW:P after that as though you'd pulled with it anyway.
Disclaimer (as usual): This post was not intended as an attack on anyone - simply some suggestions to make you a better shadow priest.
If you really want to talk about mana inefficiency:
Power Word: Shield - 600 mana (355 @ lvl 51)
Mind Blast - 450 mana (310 @ lvl 51)
Rank 1 Psychic Scream - 100 mana always
Anyone using Power Word: Shield in their rotation shouldn't be preaching about Mind Blast. Just hit em with a Mind Blast and move on. Almost equally mana inefficient, but at least you kill em more quickly and can move on to another. If your over-relying on Mind Flay, hit Psychic Scream when they get up on you and then immediately mind flay them to tether them to you. Mind Blast and Psychic Scream together cost less than a Shield.
Also...Quit pulling mobs with Shadow Word: Pain people. It's an instant cast spell. Pull with Vampiric Touch or Mind Blast. Then the casting time is used out of combat and not with a mob running at you to eat your face. Plus you can instantly hit SW:P after that as though you'd pulled with it anyway.
Disclaimer (as usual): This post was not intended as an attack on anyone - simply some suggestions to make you a better shadow priest.
Scholar
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Quote:
Also...Quit pulling mobs with Shadow Word: Pain people. It's an instant cast spell. Pull with Vampiric Touch or Mind Blast. Then the casting time is used out of combat and not with a mob running at you to eat your face. Plus you can instantly hit SW:P after that as though you'd pulled with it anyway.
Gotta agree with the pulling with SW:P being a bad idea.
As for the PW:S, I use it when mobs are a lvl higher than me or more (as a general rule anyway). I'm going to try the VT, MF, Scream, Spam MF route though.
Hehe, if you fight in an area with humanoids, Scream IS a bad idea. It usually runs in other mobs, and you'll find 2-3 more on your tail. But of course, if you can control it with flay, then do it. Takes a few tries and deaths to get it good :P
And if you want something even better, pull (before level 41) with Holy Fire.
And if you want something even better, pull (before level 41) with Holy Fire.
Yes, Holy fire is good to pull with too. I sometimes forget life before Shadowform.
Okay, after a week of trying the spell rotation with no shield and trying to Scream them away to keep away damage, I can see mana benefits of not using a shield. Sometimes.
Here are my problems:
-As for always using Rank1, it seems to me that it gets resisted more. Is this correct or is it in my head?
-It's almost impossible for me to "hit Psychic Scream when they get up on you and then immediately mind flay them to tether them to you." There's the one second cool down and I've had mobs actually get out of range of MF in that time. And yes, I have 2/2 in Shadow Reach.
-When they come back, they bring friends. Obviously you gotta be smart where you use PS at, but it seems too often that they bring a friend back, then I have to bubble anyway and spam MB, MF, and I'm usually OOM by the time I'm done anyway. Lol, albeit at almost full health. Hardly mana efficient.
I also did some more research on the mechanics of VT and SW:P. I didn't realize I could insta-chain VT and SW:P, so I open with VT now. I still don't us MB much, because it still seems too mana inefficient.
I now have 2 different spell rotations:
Tight Packed Mobs:
VT,SW:P,MF,they usually get to me here so Bubble, MF, wand
Loose packed mobs:
VT, SW:P, MF, PS, MF, MF, Wand (rarely)
On the second rotation, if they resist my PS, I'll pop bubble, MF once, not twice, to help make up for the PW:S cost, then wand.
Any critique?
Here are my problems:
-As for always using Rank1, it seems to me that it gets resisted more. Is this correct or is it in my head?
-It's almost impossible for me to "hit Psychic Scream when they get up on you and then immediately mind flay them to tether them to you." There's the one second cool down and I've had mobs actually get out of range of MF in that time. And yes, I have 2/2 in Shadow Reach.
-When they come back, they bring friends. Obviously you gotta be smart where you use PS at, but it seems too often that they bring a friend back, then I have to bubble anyway and spam MB, MF, and I'm usually OOM by the time I'm done anyway. Lol, albeit at almost full health. Hardly mana efficient.
I also did some more research on the mechanics of VT and SW:P. I didn't realize I could insta-chain VT and SW:P, so I open with VT now. I still don't us MB much, because it still seems too mana inefficient.
I now have 2 different spell rotations:
Tight Packed Mobs:
VT,SW:P,MF,they usually get to me here so Bubble, MF, wand
Loose packed mobs:
VT, SW:P, MF, PS, MF, MF, Wand (rarely)
On the second rotation, if they resist my PS, I'll pop bubble, MF once, not twice, to help make up for the PW:S cost, then wand.
Any critique?
My spell line up at the moment (shadow priest lvl 70) is:
1 - Power shield
2 - Vampiric Touch
3 - SW:P
4 - Mind Flay
5 - Mind Blast (or Flay depending on how I feel).
6 - Either Mind flay again or wand.
I know PW:S isn't mana efficient, but with my gear, I can grind for ever without drinking. If getting low on mana, after SW:P I just wand and wait for the mana regen (when Shadowfiend on cooldown, otherwise I use it).
If the mob I just fought hit me a few times, I'll insert VE at #4 and get my life back without problem.
With this method (without great gear), I pulled a felboar (in Shadowmoon, lvl 68, 69), DOT'd him and MB, when it was at 10%, switch to a 2nd one and same process up until the 4th one. At the 4th, I just had my Mana Low warning (threshold at 40%) and my Shadowfiend wasn't used. I had to stop, there was no more =)
I had so many bad moments with Psychic Scream that I got used to NOT use it!
While fighting bosses in instances, I would forget PW:S (of course) and apply my DOTs (SW:P, VT, VE) (refreshing them as they expire). Then I'll mostly MF the boss and use MB with Inner Focus.
1 - Power shield
2 - Vampiric Touch
3 - SW:P
4 - Mind Flay
5 - Mind Blast (or Flay depending on how I feel).
6 - Either Mind flay again or wand.
I know PW:S isn't mana efficient, but with my gear, I can grind for ever without drinking. If getting low on mana, after SW:P I just wand and wait for the mana regen (when Shadowfiend on cooldown, otherwise I use it).
If the mob I just fought hit me a few times, I'll insert VE at #4 and get my life back without problem.
With this method (without great gear), I pulled a felboar (in Shadowmoon, lvl 68, 69), DOT'd him and MB, when it was at 10%, switch to a 2nd one and same process up until the 4th one. At the 4th, I just had my Mana Low warning (threshold at 40%) and my Shadowfiend wasn't used. I had to stop, there was no more =)
I had so many bad moments with Psychic Scream that I got used to NOT use it!
While fighting bosses in instances, I would forget PW:S (of course) and apply my DOTs (SW:P, VT, VE) (refreshing them as they expire). Then I'll mostly MF the boss and use MB with Inner Focus.
Nothing wrong with using PW:S if that's what you want to do...
It just irks me when people go on about how mana inefficient Mind Blast is and then in the next sentence say, "I open my spell rotation with PW:S..."
I've seen that so many times on these boards that I've lost count.
It just irks me when people go on about how mana inefficient Mind Blast is and then in the next sentence say, "I open my spell rotation with PW:S..."
I've seen that so many times on these boards that I've lost count.
After going back and looking at the numbers and the mechanics, Azzwurms, you were right about me using PW:S and critiqueing use of MB. I PW:S much less now and Psychic Scream more, and my ability to grind more has gone up. Thx for the advice, all.
Still saving MB for when I need big guns, though. ;)
Edited, Aug 13th 2007 4:12pm by Caeremonia
Still saving MB for when I need big guns, though. ;)
Edited, Aug 13th 2007 4:12pm by Caeremonia
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Well i just hit 41, full spec Holy Priest =)
My usually rotation would be..
PW:S(only if elite or strangely hard hitting mob)
-----
Pull with HolyFire
Cast Mind Blast
SW:P
--Renew self if needed/Devouring Plague were necassarry--
Wand
... another Mind Blast if they flee (To stop them pulling others)
=) Cheers all
My usually rotation would be..
PW:S(only if elite or strangely hard hitting mob)
-----
Pull with HolyFire
Cast Mind Blast
SW:P
--Renew self if needed/Devouring Plague were necassarry--
Wand
... another Mind Blast if they flee (To stop them pulling others)
=) Cheers all
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