51 Point Assassination TalentFollow

Just for fun, no flaming please (hah, sounds hollow coming from me of all people). Blizzard has said they're already thinking/talking amongst themselves about a second expansion, and will have it out long before the 3 year wait for BC (I'd expect an announcement late this year or early next year, and have it launched next summer or around Christmas).

With Expansion number two, I'm sure comes level cap of 80 (they've said that the cap will be raised at some point, specifically that Medivh is a possible future raid boss that would be impossible at the "current level cap"). So, lets think about it. The Assassination tree as it is plays extremely well towards Mutilate. It's reasonable to want something to futher enhance that ability, and reasonable to expect it.

What is the biggest desire for Mutilate? Raid viability. This seems like the biggest desire among Rogues, just to be able to compete in DPS and not have to spec Combat. How would that best be accomplished?

Here's my idea. Vigor increases your maximum energy by 10. How about a similar talent, but instead of increasing energy, increasing maximum CPs? A six CP cap would work very well with Mutilate, allowing it to take advantage of its biggest strength to a greater degree. Longer SnD duration, better Ruptures, harder hitting Eviscerates. In a PvP situation, this wouldn't have such a profound effect (a six point KS would be the only real ramification), but in a raid, it would buff sustained DPS considerably, allowing real competition against Combat.

It would also be easily balanced. The extra CP is only as strong as the bonus it gives its skills. If an extra second on KS is too good, you could make it give half a second instead. Too much extra damage from Rupture? Just shorten the duration to allow higher DPS from reapplications, without giving too much damage per CP.

It would be an interesting talent to see, and could completely change the way the class played based on spec.

What are your thoughts? Any ideas for a talent you'd like to see? Speccable poison, improved Envenom, let's hear all the ideas. Just remember things need to be balanced, no "I am now God" talents please.

Great idea, and like most great rogue talents it wouldn't look like that big of a deal.

I'm all for this lol.

Edited, Jul 30th 2007 10:35pm by Shaolinz

i thought bout all the 51 pt talents, and what would be fun
heres some ideas i came up with

assassination:
"Sink in"
your backstab/mutilate/finisher move critical strikes cause your weapon to sink in, causing your target to become fatigued for 5 seconds
(effects: target gets debuff "all stats -20%, movement speed -20%, damage dealt -20%, cast speed -20% // resets your weapon timer // debuff effects stack with all other effects)

combat:
"Two-hand weapons"
allows the use for two-handed swords/maces, at the cost of movement
(effects: allows 2H weapon use (sword/mace) // movement speed -8% (minor run speed counters this to 100% speed), stealth speed -50%, weapon speed -5%, dodge chance -15%)

side talent
"Imp. Two-hand weapons"
increases weapon speed and crit chance of 2H weapons by 1%/2%/3%


subtlety
"Behind the curtains"
dealing damage no longer breaks stealth, but while in stealth your energy regenerates at 50% of normal rate

notes: getting hit still breaks stealth, while in stealth the energy regen is 10 per 2 seconds

(while this seems ZOMG overpowered, this will help make deep sub a full-on pvp tree... as being able to hit and run, to dodge being knocked out of stealth... rogue would be high level 1v1 again... but the downfall? DimReturns stops you from going full out cs->cs->cs->etc etc

so why is this good? well you can chip away, make a hit or two, then re-hide.... making good 'stealth' chances... mobs have good stealth detection so they would hit you out of stealth... the talent syncs up with 'enveloping shadows', and gives rogue the return of fast kills to the un-prepared

premed,'step,ambush,cs,5pt EA, hide a lil, ambush, garrote, whatever whatever

being careless gets you seen and knocked out, might require a cooldown on ambush and some kinda errata(sp?) with vanish and prep

would also require a change of the current 3/5 level 5-rank MOD -> 2/3 level 3-rank MOD


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considering some of the other classes 51 points i came up with, none of these are very overpowered... for example of a few of the other ones

warlock, demon tree:
"Demon's embrace"
5min. cooldown
the warlock can summon a second pet, but at the cost of his own life

(effect: allows a second pet to be summoned, can't have 2 of the same pet, drains the warlocks life at a rate of 4% every 4 seconds (life drain cannot kill the warlock, when the warlock doesnt have the life to support this, the second pet gets dispelled and a soul shard returned to the warlock)



or

priest, holy tree:
"martyr's rebirth"
10% of base mana, 8 minute cooldown
summons a ghostly visage of the priest for 1 minute, to help assist in his healing ways

(effect: summons a humanoid pet (6k hp, 1k armor), casts spells at the same pace of the priest... but using spells 2 ranks lower then the priest (free of mana cost) // the pet can only cast holy spells, cannot cast smite or holy fire (holy nova deals no damage to enemies) // the pet will heal whatever target the priest is targetting (if targetting a enemy, it heals the priest))


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i personally think i brainstorm some decent ideas :)

Edited, Jul 31st 2007 12:13am by mongoosexcore

Edited, Jul 31st 2007 2:57am by mongoosexcore

Assassination:

"Improved Mutilate"
Reduce the energy cost of Mutilate by 10 energy. Your mutilate attacks have a %20 chance to add an additional combo point.

Combat:

"Celerity"
Your critical hits have a %10 chance to increase your attack speed by %10. This effect stacks up to 5 times.

Subtlety:

"Shadow Sap"
You may use sap on an additional target.

for the celerity: way overpowered. w/ my current combat stats i'd have a permanent 50% attack speed in raids. not even fair to any class

If we ever got that many talent points, I'd get Muti, then go up combat to AR. Can't really think of a better /kill switch.

level 80 = 71 talents = 41/30 at most, no AR and Muti.


I would personally go hemo mace spec, my life long dream.


For 51 point talents...


Assass:

Darken
Your critical strikes from abilities have a 25% chance to return the energy cost of the ability.
(Illumination for rogues! '25%' might be a bit high wishful thinking)


Subtlety:

Shadowbind
20 Energy
1 min cooldown

Immobilizes target for 6 seconds. While shadowbound, target's armor is reduced 50% and chance to resist spells is reduced 80%. Does not break stealth. Using this ability while stealthed will not start the cooldown.

I rly don't want next expansion coming so soon and also I have bad feeling about Zul'Aman as another "change all your gear for 0.0001% better" timewasting cycle, and no1 will see real endgame content, after wasting ALOT of time in it we will have to gear in new quest green rewards and see BT only as retro raid "Plx plx who for Illidan fun-run LFM!!"

About abilities... I really want to deal some shadow damage, perhaps as upgraded version of Sinister Strike.

the only change they need to do to make shadowstep useful is

a: 2 second sprint tied into the ability, so you can catch your target
b: 1 second stun/immobilize (circa charge) so you appear behind them in the same place as when you hit the move's button


granted the ability is still low strength-wise, maybe stack in a higher crit chance / more % bonus / makes the opener costs less energy.... but making it so you can always hit with it would help it a lot

For the people that don't want to see another expansion:

What's the matter with you? That's more content available to us, more gear, more abilities, and more fun in general. Not to mention that Blizzard already hauls in a massive profit from current subscribers, and they intend to continue doing so. They do that by adding more to their games in the form of an expansion. We see it as a chance to do new things and explore new content, but to most of Blizzard, it's another viable money-making product. If they don't make money from WoW and its expansions, we wouldn't be seeing it for much longer. Expansions are a natural (and necessary) step in the progression and development of this game.

Also, I love these ideas for the 51 point talent specs. Maybe by the time the new expansion comes out, my rogue will be ready.

I think I will quit before the next expansion. If I have to start everything almost from scratch again, I can as well do that with a completely different game. I think it will be more fun.

The new expansion won't be out for some time. They still have to implement Zul'Aman, and there are only what, 20 guilds in the world that have completed BT?

They're announcing it now. That doesn't mean it's coming out any time soon.

My guess is--at earliest--the end of '08.

Sinister Throw
120dmg, 1 sec CD, 45 energy.
Adds one combo point.
-something to build cp's at a distance

wishlist:
-tanking tree
-more avoidance for aoe - raids like gruul's make rogues more of a liability than an asset
-improvement of subtlety for pvp, mutilate for raids