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#1 Jul 26 2007 at 8:55 PM Rating: Decent
Hey
I was trying to fill out a talent tree for a PVP shaman, and I was wondering if you could help me out... I was aiming for a PVP shaman that can also assist in healing in parties. I've never reached 70 with a shaman, and I have little to 0 pvp experience with any class. So if you help me out, I would apreciate. I believe one hand weapon + shield is the best course of action for most situations, but I'm not sure... What do you guys think?

Edited, Jul 27th 2007 12:55am by tmafcerqueira
#2 Jul 27 2007 at 5:27 AM Rating: Decent
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The first thing I would suggest is checking out a page or two of the forums and reading individual threads about the different specs: enh, ele, and resto. Generally, most people believe it's a shaman's strong suit to go resto for PVP purposes, followed by ele and then enh.

The problem with resto, IMO, is that while your survivability shoots through the roof with earth shield, your dps falls drastically. So, while you have the time to outlast "that rogue" in PVP, it's incredibly annoying because you're not doing much damage to him. In the same respect, the "resto" viability becomes more and more evident if you have people fighting with you.

Keep in mind, resto is not a solo build. So, if you do things on your own, I will venture to say that it will start becoming un-enjoyable in the very near future. This includes doing dailies for money, grinding rep, and going into BGs w/out a premade. I'm not trying to steer you away from it, just giving you something to think about.

Elemental is my current spec, and I enjoy PVPing. I'm definitely not covered in l33t elemental gear, and I still topped the AV damage charts earlier this week. (75% horde were AFK ... gg dps shaman ... lawl)

Problem with ele is that I am really squishy now. I am a target and I die more often, simple as that. I don't mind it, however, because I'll tell you what sucks: when you're out in the world as a resto shaman, and you come across a 70 whatever, and you have to avoid it because it sucks trying to gank someone. Seriously. Maybe I need to L2P Resto, but if you're worried about the drop in DPS, take it from me that you will definitely notice it.

Oh, and healing wasn't as fun as I thought.

GL.
#3 Jul 27 2007 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
What do you think about this talent build?
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/shaman/talents.html?0503300503301205000055050000540000000000005200000000000000000

Edited, Jul 27th 2007 3:14pm by tmafcerqueira
#4 Jul 27 2007 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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That build is lacking in a lot of areas but without more information it will be very hard to tidy up.

What 'MAIN' spec are you going to be?
What weapons do you plan to use?
Do you plan to use lots of totems?

If your wanting to heal in parties that won't be a big problem with elemental gear. They kind of support each other to an extent. I have a heal set I use and can get by fine with in parties and I'm Enhancement spec'd. Personally if your wanting to PvP or do Arena I would lean towards going elemental. Get everything you can in elemental and then put the other points in Restoration to get NS. Unless you plan on getting up in peoples faces all the time the points in Enhancement are unnecessary and can be better used. Sure there will be occasions where someone does get close to you but it doesn't warrant 24 points, as your main form of attack will be elemental casting.

I would recommend something more like this:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/shaman/talents.html?0503300503301205000055050000540000000000005200000000000000000#none
I could be way out to lunch too as I have not played a elemental yet but it's at least cleaned up somewhat. I focused on everything that had to do with lightning bolts. I'm sure some points still need to be shuffled around a bit. But something to look at.
#5 Jul 27 2007 at 3:14 PM Rating: Decent
I don't mean to be rude, but you gave me the same build I had lol. You need to scroll down to the bottom of the page and use the link there. If you could built another talent tree I would apreciate it.
I want to use an one hand weapon + shield. It's true that I can't actually run around, but if I'm playing a melee, like a warrior, paladin, rogue, etc I don't have much choice... I need to stay put trying to do as much damage as I can. Casters it's easier because of the earth shocks... The truth is that the lighting bolt will never deal enough damage to be efficient and I don't see how I can survive a melee without the enhancement points...
If you have any tips, I would apreciate them;)

EDIT: I plan on using totems, but I got out of exodar a bit to soon and I'm waiting to get the ghost wolf(I'm level 14) so that I can do the totem quests faster... I hope that totems can be easily be used in PVP, as well as useful.

Edited, Jul 27th 2007 7:27pm by tmafcerqueira
#6 Jul 27 2007 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
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>> The truth is that the lighting bolt
>> will never deal enough damage

Really? I hit a LB today for close to 2700, and I'm not covered in epics. I think it's a 2 sec cast? The following LB hit for 2100. Not bad damage in 4 seconds.

>> to be efficient

What does this mean?

>> and I don't see how I can survive a melee
>> without the enhancement points...

Misread this part in my original reply. You have ways to get ppl away from you - granted, frost shock and earthbind my not be as strong as blink, but you get the idea.

Edited, Jul 27th 2007 7:38pm by Esqwire
#7 Jul 27 2007 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't mean to be rude, but you gave me the same build I had lol.


LOL. My bad. The copy paste ghosts got the better of me again. Try this one.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/shaman/talents.html?5500011503001535105000000000000000000000005203311005010000000
Hopefully it will work this time. It's basically getting all the spell crit, spell hit, and lightning upgrades that you can.

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The truth is that the lighting bolt will never deal enough damage to be efficient


What?!? Your joking I hope. With out even taking into account chain lightning a lightning bolt is going to do A LOT of damage. Were talking 1000 a hit and double that for crits. Now you take chain lightning now you just spread that across 3 targets. Take into account Lightning Overlord and you may get to cast 2 at once. That's doing lets say on average 1500k to 3 targets. That is a lot of damage. My numbers may be off but I think these are the numbers that your looking at from posts and videos I have seen at 70.

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I don't see how I can survive a melee without the enhancement points


Unfortunately your going to have to choose. If you spread your points across both your going to be mediocre at both. You need to choose one or the other. Either you melee them or you cast at them. You could do a Elemental/Enhancement build with majoring in one but I think if you want Elemental, Restoration is your best bet for a 2ndary. It give you more crit and hit chance for free. No gear required.
#8 Jul 27 2007 at 8:38 PM Rating: Decent
Hey,
Thanks for the replies so far... I've been watching some shaman pvp videos and I always see the shamans in the back, finishing of kills from another player or assisting with heals. Well, can a shaman pvp one on one with a warrior, for example, with your talent build (I liked it by the way, just think some poins should have been spent on ancestral knowledge and shield specialization)
What do you guys think?
Thanks;)
#9 Jul 27 2007 at 9:32 PM Rating: Decent
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To put those points in enhancement you would have to give up Nature's Swiftness in the Resto tree, probably the single most powerful talent in any of our tree's for a couple of talents that are average at best (the only reason most of us take either is because you have to take one to go deeper into enhancement).

Sercease's build is spot on.
#10 Jul 27 2007 at 9:57 PM Rating: Decent

if you have to ask the battle is already lost.
#11 Jul 29 2007 at 5:16 AM Rating: Decent
I'll build my talent tree like you said... Once I reach 70, I'll give you my feedback
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