well hello everybody, i used to be destro the first 55 lvs, and then switched to demo ( god the change was god for lv porpuses) and right now am 70 and still need maps to discover in outlands, but also wanna start going to arena for the fun, so i respected to affliction but now am having the trouble that i dun have little fel to be the tank and let me put the dots and life tap easiñy followed by drain life, now what i been doing is UA+CoA+Shipon life+corruption then life tap+drainlife, tried sending the imp while the dots hits, works fine but the imp's mana drains fast, am a doing anything wrong? thinking about reseting to destro and try to see which i like more but first i would like to hear ur opinion
pd : sry for long post lol
heres my build
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?2500222512231115512010000000000000000000000505000510200000000000
also note that i have 2 points left dunno where to put them
Edited, Jul 24th 2007 6:09pm by eortizo
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Your problem is that you're life tapping and draining life. Destro and Demo builds are limited because you actually have to keep fighting something to kill it. For Afflic, once you've gotten your 4 shadow DoTs on it, it's dead. That means find a new target and start again. When your HP/MP get low, stop looking for a new mob and Drain Life the one you're on, when it gets low, switch to Drain Soul. That kicks up your HP and MP in 1 fight, gives time for your pet to regen mana, etc. Remember to keep a healthstone handy, as they're great for boosting your HP so you can keep going. When you're affliction and grinding "down time" is that period of time where mobs are respawning and you're looting corpses.
What he said ^^
Also, I find using voidwalker is exceptionally good when grinding multi-mobs affliction style.
Take auto-cast off of Suffering and use it to heard mobs. Sick the pet from mob to mob letting him get a Torment on each. THis will reduce the hits you take and thus making it easier for you to take more mobs.
I can only imagine it being easier the higher level you get, but atm my lock is lvl 48 and I can grind 8-12 samelevel mobs no sweat. It's effin efficient! (and fun!)
Also, I find using voidwalker is exceptionally good when grinding multi-mobs affliction style.
Take auto-cast off of Suffering and use it to heard mobs. Sick the pet from mob to mob letting him get a Torment on each. THis will reduce the hits you take and thus making it easier for you to take more mobs.
I can only imagine it being easier the higher level you get, but atm my lock is lvl 48 and I can grind 8-12 samelevel mobs no sweat. It's effin efficient! (and fun!)
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wow 10+ mob at the same time =o, thats alot, ill try to do that, to see if i can do what u guys say, thx for the replys
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i find it quite hard to do, maybe need more practice, all i can handle now its 3 enemies at max hahaha, gotta keep training that aff level skill
Don't hold back on fear, no need to get beat on and who cares if you draw adds, you're grinding! You can also keep pet on passive once you get used to juggling the mobs. I'm 65 affliction, and can actually handle more mobs at a time than my 70 bm hunter.
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At 44 I've been doing the elites in the badlands (the flying thingies near the dragonwhelps) and I can do 2 easily, 3 with concentration but after that it's over for me. When I tried to gather a kite (non elites)I couldn't get more than 4 or so before they started dropping dead on me. I've watched video of Lock's going crazy on huge kites I just can't seem to do it properly. I do manage to just go mob to mob to mob etc etc pretty much indefinitely though - about half way through dotting the second up the first dies.
Edited, Jul 25th 2007 2:14am by TommyKinda
Edited, Jul 25th 2007 2:14am by TommyKinda
I don't use fear that often (I hold them for PvP) and can do 3-4 mobs at once 2-3 times before I have to do 2-3 solo mobs to recover (that's right, fighting is recovering as affliction). If you're a liberal user of fears you can juggle mobs. That means DoTing one, fearing it, DoTing the next, fearing it (the first will come back toward you, don't worry), DoTing the next, fearing it, etc. This means mobs that do start beating on you will be doing so with 15-20% less HP than if you didn't fear but IMO it burns mana. Overall, I don't know which is faster, but it's like comparing fruit based on the length of their stems. At the end of the day it's 2 of the same thing.
The way I grind 10 mobs is really fun, but also requires a bit of practice.
I don't know if a regular geared lock can handle it, but I'm in top twink gear sitting at 300 spelldamage and near 3k HP at lvl 48. Of course this makes it much easier, but you should still be able to do at least 3-4 mobs at a time.
This is my pattern:
Send void on first mob. Siphon, CoA, Corruption. Mob will stick on void for some time.
Send void to next mob. Siphon, CoA, Corruption. Let void get in a torment. Mob sticks on void for some time.
Life tap
Send void to third mob. Siphon, Coa, Corruption. The void get torment. Mob sticks.
Send void to fourth mob. Siphon CoA Corruption. Manually cast suffering and void will have 3-4 mobs on him (the first one might run for you at this time.
Dark Pact.
Send void to fifth mob. Siphon CoA corruption. First mob is dying now and the rest is coming for you (+4 mobs). However, you got 5 Siphon lifes running simultaneously, effectively giving me 300 hp every 3 seconds.
Dark. Pact.
Send mob to sixth mob. Siphon CoA corruption. You will now have around 4-5 mobs beating on you, some of them almost dead. Use instant Howl of Terror. They run and die.
Life tap.
Send void to seventh mob... etc etc
When Im at my 10th mob, my mana will be low and my HP will be about half. I will have a few mobs hitting on me, so doing Life tap would get me in danger. My pet is out of mana so I cant dark pact either. I got a few siphons ticking still so I will survive. After a few seconds, 10 mobs are dead, ready to be looted. I use consume shadows on pet and walk around looting. Life tap once, and hit up the next mob. Drain to full health, and then lifetap to full mana. Go to next mob and drain to full.
You will now be ready for another 10-train :)
It's kinda hard to describe but I can't post a video at this time, sorry. Would be fun to do though.
I don't know if a regular geared lock can handle it, but I'm in top twink gear sitting at 300 spelldamage and near 3k HP at lvl 48. Of course this makes it much easier, but you should still be able to do at least 3-4 mobs at a time.
This is my pattern:
Send void on first mob. Siphon, CoA, Corruption. Mob will stick on void for some time.
Send void to next mob. Siphon, CoA, Corruption. Let void get in a torment. Mob sticks on void for some time.
Life tap
Send void to third mob. Siphon, Coa, Corruption. The void get torment. Mob sticks.
Send void to fourth mob. Siphon CoA Corruption. Manually cast suffering and void will have 3-4 mobs on him (the first one might run for you at this time.
Dark Pact.
Send void to fifth mob. Siphon CoA corruption. First mob is dying now and the rest is coming for you (+4 mobs). However, you got 5 Siphon lifes running simultaneously, effectively giving me 300 hp every 3 seconds.
Dark. Pact.
Send mob to sixth mob. Siphon CoA corruption. You will now have around 4-5 mobs beating on you, some of them almost dead. Use instant Howl of Terror. They run and die.
Life tap.
Send void to seventh mob... etc etc
When Im at my 10th mob, my mana will be low and my HP will be about half. I will have a few mobs hitting on me, so doing Life tap would get me in danger. My pet is out of mana so I cant dark pact either. I got a few siphons ticking still so I will survive. After a few seconds, 10 mobs are dead, ready to be looted. I use consume shadows on pet and walk around looting. Life tap once, and hit up the next mob. Drain to full health, and then lifetap to full mana. Go to next mob and drain to full.
You will now be ready for another 10-train :)
It's kinda hard to describe but I can't post a video at this time, sorry. Would be fun to do though.
Two words. Keep moving. I had a lock friend in game who was having the same issue while I was telling everyone in /g how I'd go through 10 mobs or so at a time. Our methods we're almost exactly the same. Keep Imp on passive, alternate between Dark Pact and Life Tap, SL -> Corr -> UA -> Life Tap -> Next mob repeat. The kicker, and defining issue that made me successful and him not, he'd stand still. I'd never stop moving except to UA. For one, it lessens the dmg the mobs are doing to you, a CoEx every now and then for any mobs that get too close to you while you're down on HP. For two, it lessens downtime waiting for respawns cuz you're constantly moving camp.
Affliction is a "dot & move" kind of playstyle, while Demo is a single mob spec. If you dot/tap/drain on one mob you'll kill stuff slower then if you where demo. The key is to cast UA then run and cast your instant dots, cast UA on the next run cast your instant dots, once you have 4-5 on you cast howl of terror and drain life on the one with the most hp.
Affliction vs 1 target = slow
Demo vs 1 target = fast
Affliction vs many targets = fast
Demo vs many targets = slow
Affliction vs 1 target = slow
Demo vs 1 target = fast
Affliction vs many targets = fast
Demo vs many targets = slow
And when your grinding multi mobs like that, what's the level of the mobs you're grinding? I mean what is the best level range for effective grinding? 5 levels lower than you? 2 lvls lower? same level as you?
Thanks
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So! Everyone else gave great advice on how to play Affliction with your build to the best of your abilities. You also asked:
In my opinion I'd put those two points into Improved Drain Soul. First the lessened threat is good if you are grinding with a pet aside from the Imp (as the Imp is generally your mana battary and on passive, not your tank) and the mana return if they die while being drained will help reduce your downtime even further. Not that Affliction locks have a lot of downtime to begin with.
eortizo wrote:
also note that i have 2 points left dunno where to put them
In my opinion I'd put those two points into Improved Drain Soul. First the lessened threat is good if you are grinding with a pet aside from the Imp (as the Imp is generally your mana battary and on passive, not your tank) and the mana return if they die while being drained will help reduce your downtime even further. Not that Affliction locks have a lot of downtime to begin with.
Depending on your spell power, you can do mobs 2-3 levels lower than you if you're running w/ mediocre gear, all the way up to mobs 1-2 levels higher than you if you're juggling them w/ fears and wearing good gear.
There are so many ways to farm with affliction. A lot depends on how close the mobs are to each other, though. I haven't found many places where 10 mobs are so close to each other that I can take all of them at one go. Most of the time, it's 4 mobs at most, and I have no loss of mana or health whie bringing them down. My downtime consists of either my VW Consuming Shadow or restoring my VW with Health Funnel, and that happens about every 3 combats. I seldom have mobs come after me, because I don't lead off with UA. Against mobs l69 or less, UA isn't needed for a kill. I use Drain Soul as a finisher, because of the mana restoring capability od the spell.
Edited, Jul 26th 2007 4:27pm by ohmikeghod
Edited, Jul 26th 2007 4:27pm by ohmikeghod
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well i have to say that i cant get used to teh way of playing aff locks, yeah i added the left points in imp drain soul, but i just cant handle 3 mobs and leave with full health, i almos end with 1/3 of my mana/hp and the vw near dead, maybe my gear is so ****** right now or am doing something wrong, me main problem its that the enemies pull other enemies patrolling or that i run into them while dotting, ill stay affliction one more week to try and learn more, this is how i start my fights:
-send the vw and wait for first torment to lend
-cast ua,sl,coa,corr
-find another enemie send vw and cast ua at the same time
-repeat the cast loop
-find third... etc
-send the vw and wait for first torment to lend
-cast ua,sl,coa,corr
-find another enemie send vw and cast ua at the same time
-repeat the cast loop
-find third... etc
Sounds to me like you are using UA too much.
Also you don't really need to wait for torment to go off before you start in on your cast sequence. Post a link to your armory so people can suggest minor (or major) issues with your gear/spec.
SL, Corr, CoA should be enough to move on to the next mob. If you are getting low on mana or health use either Drain Soul or Drain Life respectively.
What I learned after switching from demo to aff was that my pet was no longer a tank. It was just a very long dot. Fel Concentration allowed me to take hits while draining without much worry about loosing cast time.
If worse comes to worse you could always get a prot pally friend to AOE tank while you dot the hell out of everything and its mother :P
Also you don't really need to wait for torment to go off before you start in on your cast sequence. Post a link to your armory so people can suggest minor (or major) issues with your gear/spec.
SL, Corr, CoA should be enough to move on to the next mob. If you are getting low on mana or health use either Drain Soul or Drain Life respectively.
What I learned after switching from demo to aff was that my pet was no longer a tank. It was just a very long dot. Fel Concentration allowed me to take hits while draining without much worry about loosing cast time.
If worse comes to worse you could always get a prot pally friend to AOE tank while you dot the hell out of everything and its mother :P
MAke sure to test DoTs on a single target to see how many it takes without UA to burn them down. I only use UA when was farming for scryer rep since those damn BE heal lol. So what i would do was i cast UA, CoA, corruption, siphon life then i would fear get to next mob and repeat fastest way to grind the healers since if u spam your Dots they will be healing anyways. So test your dots, imp drain soul is a priority IMO, use imp ***** VW, u need mana for dark pact, Imp armor for fel armor and use your trinkets that came so easiliy in outlands alot.
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heres my toon:
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Fenris&n=Atrides
and o have yet to test how many loop of CoA,SL,Corr would take to kill a creep, an d yeah those elfs bastrds heal themselfs to 100% =/
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Fenris&n=Atrides
and o have yet to test how many loop of CoA,SL,Corr would take to kill a creep, an d yeah those elfs bastrds heal themselfs to 100% =/
If you have average gear you can take about 3-4 at the time with the aid of Fear. If you have good gear add a mob, maybe two. If you have GREAT gear, you can farm 6-10 depending on the mobs HP. The way of doing it has been said many times already. There are basically two ways of doing it, either with a VW out, or with an imp. I like the Imp on lower lv mobs(like lv 68 and down)and when I farm lv 70-71(elementals in elemental plateau come to mind) I like using the void because they have lots of HP and hit me pretty hard. So I'l sic him on one, let him taunt, go to next mob let him taunt and by the time I have 4 mobs on me of lv 70-71 hes lost aggro on the first two. IHoT and drain life. Drain soul as a finisher to replenish your mana while you're at it. Takes a little practice but very easy once you get the hang of it.
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well ill have to keep on practicing, and for the info if i put sl,coa and corr the creep will end with 40-50% life aprox so i guess ill still need to start either with ua or inmolate??
With my affliction build I would typically have my imp or felhunter out while grinding. The only time I would use VW was if I was going after an elite for a quest that was either immune to fear or would draw in lots of adds while running around like a maniac. I don't think I ever used my succy. Open up with a SB, then while the mob is running towards you UA -> CoA -> Corr -> SL. Drain life the mob then drain soul just before it dies and you should end up around 100% hp/mp. That is of course with improved drain life and drain soul. With enough shadow damage you should be able to burn through mobs as fast or faster than any other class, plus you'll have very little downtime. For an added bonus, get two pieces of the oblivion set. The extra 45mp5 on your pet makes a great partner for dark pact.
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Your spdmg is a little low to effectively grind multiple mobs. Just keep running instances to get the better gear - Shad Labs is good for Oblivion gear, the wand off 2nd boss and the sword off Murmur.
Also start your Kara key chain to get Keepers of Time rep to get the sword there too, as the Murmur one took me till 6k revered to even see drop :/
Edited, Jul 28th 2007 8:59pm by Luceca
Also start your Kara key chain to get Keepers of Time rep to get the sword there too, as the Murmur one took me till 6k revered to even see drop :/
Edited, Jul 28th 2007 8:59pm by Luceca
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yeah thats what i been thinking while reading other thread where one guy says he can get over 400+ dmg in lv 60 ... i was like damm am low at that stat, also watching some youtube videos of ppl grinding i notice 300 or 400 numbers pumping while i do 200-150. i guess ill respect again to demo and gain more spell dmg then try again with aff, which looks really fun, thx all for u advices
So many people using VW to grind in this thread. I haven't used anything but my Imp since getting Dark Pact while solo grinding. @ 60, he's got about 2200-2400 Mana and regens it quick. I use that with a very rare Life Tap in-between. I'll try to make a vid if I get around to it and post the link.
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