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Ok, I have a 19 twink warrior in the works and have several weapons and am not sure which will work best and when to use. I have a Shadowfang, Cruel Barb, Nightrever, and Smites Hammer from VC. I am not sure how I should be enchanting these. I was thinking maybe lifesteal or crusader on the Shadowfang. Crusader on the Nightreaver, and +25 agil on the Smites Hammer. What do you all think? Thanks for any info!
Nightreaver is the way to go for burst DPS. Oh, and don't use Shadowfang. Sell it to a twink rogue for 800g.
I'd say either Nightreaver with crusader or Smite's with crusader. 25 agi will give you just over 1% crit. The 200 AP and heal is better imo.
I'd say either Nightreaver with crusader or Smite's with crusader. 25 agi will give you just over 1% crit. The 200 AP and heal is better imo.
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Well, on my rogue I already have duel Cruel Barbs with +15 agil. I own enough that I didnt see the need for SF on my rogue. I was going to use SF with Redbeards Shield with a stam suit for flag running and the Nightreaver with a hight STR and AGIL suit for DPS.
Shadowfang is a waste on a warrior. Especially if it's only for flag running... If you're just gonna use it for stam gear you might as well get a weapon that already has stam on it, and the shield + enchant.
Shadowfang, on the other hand, is much better than Cruel Barb for rogues. Most rogues DW Shadowfang with life stealing and either a dagger or a sword with +25 agi. I've seen crusader rogues too. Also rogues with double life stealing. It's really up to you.
If I was a rogue I'd take double crusader or double life stealing. Crusader because of the heals and the +200 AP. Life stealing for the dmg and healing.
Shadowfang, on the other hand, is much better than Cruel Barb for rogues. Most rogues DW Shadowfang with life stealing and either a dagger or a sword with +25 agi. I've seen crusader rogues too. Also rogues with double life stealing. It's really up to you.
If I was a rogue I'd take double crusader or double life stealing. Crusader because of the heals and the +200 AP. Life stealing for the dmg and healing.
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Thanks for the advise. I have different theories on the enchants I guess. Having any proc enchant on the offhand is a waste because it will only go off 50% as much as your mainhand. While I agree that the SF is better option than a cruel barb in my rogues main hand I do not see how the SF is not good for the warriors mainhand with a shield. Warrz one of the top wars in the 19 bracket uses SF adn Redbeards exclusivly.
While I kind of want to use the SF on my rogue I dont see it as that huge of an upgrade. Since the duel +15 and +12 AP on each really works well. I see your point on having the SF on the rogue though. On him it will be used all the time rather than just when flag running. Good thing is I have not equiped it yet cause trhe war is just 18 and still trying for his Defias Chest for the stam suit. Already have the Westfall Tunic for the DPS suit.
While I kind of want to use the SF on my rogue I dont see it as that huge of an upgrade. Since the duel +15 and +12 AP on each really works well. I see your point on having the SF on the rogue though. On him it will be used all the time rather than just when flag running. Good thing is I have not equiped it yet cause trhe war is just 18 and still trying for his Defias Chest for the stam suit. Already have the Westfall Tunic for the DPS suit.
Well look at it from a rogue vs. warrior point of view:
What's your main dmg ability as a lvl 19 warrior?
Heroic strike.
What's your main dmg ability as a rogue?
Sinister strike.
What's the difference between those?
Sinister strike doesn't use your next attack, but is an instant attack.
Also, for stam gear, Face Smasher or any green "of Stamina" weapon is better.
Edit: my post was ugly :( now I fixed it :]
Edited, Jul 23rd 2007 4:58pm by Xordon
What's your main dmg ability as a lvl 19 warrior?
Heroic strike.
What's your main dmg ability as a rogue?
Sinister strike.
What's the difference between those?
Sinister strike doesn't use your next attack, but is an instant attack.
Also, for stam gear, Face Smasher or any green "of Stamina" weapon is better.
Edit: my post was ugly :( now I fixed it :]
Edited, Jul 23rd 2007 4:58pm by Xordon
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Good point. So maybe use SF on my rogue with lifesteal mainhand and +15 agil offhand on CB. Then on War I will just use the cruel barb and redbeards shield. You think Smites Hammer or Nightreaver with the LS or Crusader would be better?
For a warrior either Smite's or Nightreaver is good. Smite's for the stats and reaver for the proc. Reaver is probably more burst DPS, if that matters to you. On enchants however, I'd take crusader as a warrior no matter what. It heals you and gives you 200 AP (100 str). Nothing beats that imo.
With a rogue I'd go for Lifesteal or Crusader, since rogues get 1 AP from one str, you'll get 100 AP from each weapon if you DW it, rather than a 15 AP all the time. Not to mention the heals.
Lifesteal is obviously also good, but seriously: My opinion is that nothing beats crusader for melee twinks. Shammies, along with warriors, gain 2 AP per 1 str. Pallies I'm not sure, but they should get 2 AP for 1 str too. Rogues only get 1 AP from both 1 str and 1 agi, but they're the only ones who can DW at lvl 19, thus getting 2x crusader (= 1x more heals and equal +AP to the other melee:ers).
With a rogue I'd go for Lifesteal or Crusader, since rogues get 1 AP from one str, you'll get 100 AP from each weapon if you DW it, rather than a 15 AP all the time. Not to mention the heals.
Lifesteal is obviously also good, but seriously: My opinion is that nothing beats crusader for melee twinks. Shammies, along with warriors, gain 2 AP per 1 str. Pallies I'm not sure, but they should get 2 AP for 1 str too. Rogues only get 1 AP from both 1 str and 1 agi, but they're the only ones who can DW at lvl 19, thus getting 2x crusader (= 1x more heals and equal +AP to the other melee:ers).
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Ok, you have sold me on the crusader enchant on the Nightreaver. I like the DPS it puts out. I will mess with the Smites hammer and see how it works as well but think it will stay in the bank for a bit. I am still torn on the Shadowfang though. Wish I had two of them =). I really do want to be able to sword and board it at times and thought SF would be as nice as most 2 handers out there plus have the shield. How big of a difference do you think I would see on my rogue comparing Duel CB or SF and CB offhand? I would most likely do Shadowfang on rogue with LS or if use on warrior I will go with crusader.
Minor edit added.
Edited, Jul 23rd 2007 11:37am by Hugrafix
Minor edit added.
Edited, Jul 23rd 2007 11:37am by Hugrafix
The dmg increase won't be extreme, but you'll notice it. The +shadow dmg and the proc will pretty much compensate for the 12 AP. They also use the same speed for SS:ing, so that's not a problem.
Warriors, on the other hand, have HS as their main dmg source. And that's not affected by the normalization, since it's an "on next hit" attack. So, with a warrior you could use Cruel Barb and use it's 2.8 weapon speed, rather than Shadowfang's 2.7. In the SS case for rogues both weapons use 2.4 speed.
However, if you're only gonna use the one-hander for stam gear I'd recommend an item already with stam on it. Face Smasher uses a 2.7 attack speed and has 3 stam. Pretty viable option.
My advise is: Shadowfang and Cruel Barb on your rogue. Both with Crusader. Face Smasher (or other stam weapon) and shield on your warrior. Nightreaver with Crusader on your warrior.
It's up to you if you take it.
Warriors, on the other hand, have HS as their main dmg source. And that's not affected by the normalization, since it's an "on next hit" attack. So, with a warrior you could use Cruel Barb and use it's 2.8 weapon speed, rather than Shadowfang's 2.7. In the SS case for rogues both weapons use 2.4 speed.
However, if you're only gonna use the one-hander for stam gear I'd recommend an item already with stam on it. Face Smasher uses a 2.7 attack speed and has 3 stam. Pretty viable option.
My advise is: Shadowfang and Cruel Barb on your rogue. Both with Crusader. Face Smasher (or other stam weapon) and shield on your warrior. Nightreaver with Crusader on your warrior.
It's up to you if you take it.
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Question on your advise. You mentioned that for a Rogue Crusader only gives 1 AP per STR but for War it gives 2 AP per STR. Yet you are still suggesting Crusader on the Rogue. Would Lifesteal be better on Rogue mainhand since he wouldnt be losing so much AP when it does proc and get the full benifit of the enchant with LS?
Thanks, you have been very helpfull!
Thanks, you have been very helpfull!
Rogues are the only ones able to DW pre-20. So, if you DW crusader weapons and both proc you'll get 200 str. 200 str = 200 AP, so you're getting the same AP as anyone else, just for the price of 2 weapon enchants (which other classes can't get anyway). I still think you should dual crusader. But if you really like life stealing and want to use it go for it. It's not bad. Far from it. Just go with what you want.
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Thanks again for the advise. What I ended up doing was using the SF on my rogue with lifesteal on the SF and +15 agil on the CB offhand. On my warrior I decided to use a sentry cloak (+70 AF enchant) I just got on him rather than the rogue since it was more of an upgrade only 1 stam and 2 agil difference from what I currently have on him. Then on the warriors Nightreaver I did crusader and will do the same on the CB that dropped for him last night while farming for the Defias Chest. I have ran VC 12 times in the last 2 nights and I seem to get the shirt and the cloak every time. Ah well, I did get one CB and Smites Hammer also. Anyhow thanks for the advise.
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