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#1 Jul 18 2007 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Would it be worth attempting to gear up against my spec for more versatility? Or would that just be shooting myself in the foot?

What Im thinking of trying would be something along the lines of speccing mostly Feral and then picking up a bunch of +heal and intellect gear. Good? Bad? Ugly?
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#2 Jul 18 2007 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
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Play to your strengths, don't play to your weaknesses.

A little +Int is required. A little +heal can be nice. Going all that way with a Feral spec just means your going to suck. :P
#3 Jul 18 2007 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
Definitely collect a set of healing gear as well. There have been a few times where I have off-healed in a 5 man or in Karazhan. Also, if you ever decide you want a change, you can respec whenever you like and you already have the gear waiting for you. I even keep a set of Balance gear in the bank. Mind you - I never roll against someone for my off-spec gear. It's purely if it isn't needed.
#4 Jul 18 2007 at 6:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Pick up gear that doesn't match your spec to be sure. Don't, however, wear it as your main set. Have a feral set (eventually splitting that into a tank set and a dps set) and a healing set. Eventually you may want a PvP partial-set as well. Wear each set as appropriate for the role you're filling.
#5 Jul 20 2007 at 1:48 AM Rating: Good
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As a druid I think it's always useful to carry more than one gear set with you (or at least have it in the bank).

On my feral druid I have a tank set, kitty dps and healing set (10k mana, 1k +heal). I doubt I could main heal anywhere with that set and feral spec, but sometimes during an instance it's useful to be able to chuck some healing gear on and back-up heal.

Particularly in fight with a lot of aoe and a melee heavy group, one more melee to heal is a pain for your healer. (e.g. last slave pens boss on heroic, maiden of virtue).

Having the gear to switch roles gives you versatility and makes you more useful in some situations then a rogue or warrior off-tank would be.

I've collected my gear from stuff that no-one else needed and quest/rep rewards. It's not hard to pick up a healing set on the side and it does give you a nice base if you ever decide to go resto.

Aslo I'm not sure what level you are but I healed up to BRD level as feral spec in the casting gear I'd collected, in outland though I really wouldn't want to try that. But at 60+ I found I was quite wanted as a tank anyway.

I'd stick to wearing the gear for the role I wanted to do (so no dpsing with +500 heal kit), but find it useful to have the gear there if I need to heal for a bit.
#6 Jul 20 2007 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a 70 feral and I have 3 normal sets of gear and a partial set

Tanking Heavy Clefthoof with +def and sta gems and enchantes.

DPS set with agi, str and sta some crit and ap, also serves as my pvp set with minor changes.

Healing set with int and +healing, mostly stuff from quest but some drops. Total +healing on this is around 550ish and almost 9k mana. I use this set with some changes if I need to go DPS caster. There have not been many times this has happened thankfully.

I carry tanking and dps all the time, healing stays in bank. I have healed SL without much issue not heroic tho.
#7 Jul 20 2007 at 7:36 PM Rating: Decent
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I have healed SL without much issue not heroic tho.



Good to know. I have +1200 healing gear I carry with me everywhere. I haven't been game to accept a Main Heal role on an instance because I wasn't sure how well I could handle it. Might try and give it a go.
#8 Jul 22 2007 at 5:01 AM Rating: Default
I wouldn't try to combine statistics in the same set of gear. However, it is very smart to get two sets, one off spec set for healing, and one for your primary spec, healing. You can use an add-on called 'itemrack' to be able to change sets in one keystroke.

My priest has 3 sets: dps, long battle healing, short battle healing.

My shaman has 2 sets: healing and melee dps

My druid has 2 sets: Off spec healing, and dps

Good hunting!
#9 Jul 25 2007 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I am a 49 resto druid, i have a full +healing gearset, a +int/spir gearset and a mele gearset, i solo in the mele i've even tanked once in it. it's always good to have multiple gearsets. true as a feral you won't heal like a resto and a resto won't tank like a feral. but it is nice to have some wiggle room.
#10 Jul 26 2007 at 6:30 AM Rating: Decent
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My Druid is new, and I am new to playing one, so I took the advice of several folks here as well as in my Guild.

I got four huge bags and now carry two sets of gear. I also installed Outfitter which is a WONDERFUL addon for Druids. Quor recommended it in this thread and MAN is it nice. To break it down for anyone that doesn't know what it is:

Its a small addon that seems almost tailor made for Druids. Basically you dress up in all your +str, +sta type tanking gear and set it all for 'Druid - Bear Form'. Then your caster gear, +int and +heal and such, goes in 'Normal'. It has a setup for every form druids have access to, including ToL and MK.

Auto switches your gear when you change, so you can literally go from a very high Health/Armor pool in bear form to switching out to caster form to heal yourself and automatically change to your casting gear.

Very, very, very nice.

Edit: Added link to Outfitter

Edited, Jul 26th 2007 8:32am by vyodar
#11 Jul 26 2007 at 6:47 AM Rating: Decent
I use Outfitter, and it is a tremendous help. Bear in mind (no pun intended) though that you can't change clothes when you are in combat. So popping out of bear form to heal yourself mid-battle isn't going to work. I mean, it will work, but you'll still be wearing your tanking set. Even worse is to be in caster form when combat starts, and you go bear and end up tanking in your caster clothes.


Edited, Jul 26th 2007 10:49am by Zalophus
#12 Jul 26 2007 at 7:37 AM Rating: Decent
Zalophus wrote:
I use Outfitter, and it is a tremendous help. Bear in mind (no pun intended) though that you can't change clothes when you are in combat. So popping out of bear form to heal yourself mid-battle isn't going to work. I mean, it will work, but you'll still be wearing your tanking set. Even worse is to be in caster form when combat starts, and you go bear and end up tanking in your caster clothes.


Edited, Jul 26th 2007 10:49am by Zalophus


This being why I personally do not like Outfitter's automatic gear swapping. I use Wardrobe, and have sets defined like any other gear changing mod, but I run around all the time in my dps gear so that if I get trounced, I can handle the situation easily. If I know I'll be healing/nuking something, I'll swap before hand; same with tanking.

Sure it's not as convenient, but I'd rather not get caught with my pants down. ;)
#13 Jul 26 2007 at 11:00 AM Rating: Decent
I'll have to try Wardrobe then. I agree that's a shortcoming of Outfitter; no easy way to disable it. It can be a real nuisance in an instance.
#14 Jul 26 2007 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually I wasn't aware the swap didn't take place in combat. Now that I know that, however, I'll give Wardrobe a try instead.
#15 Jul 26 2007 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Norellicus wrote:
Zalophus wrote:
I use Outfitter, and it is a tremendous help. Bear in mind (no pun intended) though that you can't change clothes when you are in combat.

This being why I personally do not like Outfitter's automatic gear swapping. I use Wardrobe, and have sets defined like any other gear changing mod, but I run around all the time in my dps gear so that if I get trounced, I can handle the situation easily. If I know I'll be healing/nuking something, I'll swap before hand; same with tanking.
Sure it's not as convenient, but I'd rather not get caught with my pants down. ;)


Urh? No comprendo. How is that any different from Outfitter? It's not like Outfitter obnoxiously picks your gear sets for you based on form and stats -- you pick exactly what you want to be wearing in each form, and also in common scenarios like "Around Town." Then you can set up custom sets. I have a set I call "Smartypants" which is my +int/+spirit gear, mostly for healing but casting dps when the mood strikes, and "Combatmedic" for when I want to be dealing decent damage but able to heal myself and partymates.

Like you I have a melee-capable set of gear set to my "Normal" form so that I'm OK if I get jumped. It's a mix of my +int and bear form gear so I have more mana and stam/armor than my dps form. My theory is that I can fight if I want or get away if I'm a-scared.


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I'll have to try Wardrobe then. I agree that's a shortcoming of Outfitter; no easy way to disable it. It can be a real nuisance in an instance.

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Actually I wasn't aware the swap didn't take place in combat. Now that I know that, however, I'll give Wardrobe a try instead.

The inability to swap gear while you're in combat is not a shortcoming of Outfitter--it's a WoW thang. You can't ever even MANUALLY swap gear (other than your weapon) when you are "in combat." So neither Outfitter nor Wardrobe nor ItemRack can get around that. ("He says with 99% confidence...")
#16 Jul 26 2007 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
I get around this in outfitter by having my tank, DPS & healing outfits all include my healing weapon & idol.

Then I have a catform & bearform outfit which ONLY has my DPS & tanking weapons & idols.


If i'm tanking or DPSing and I switch out to caster, I get the 300+heal from my healing weapon.

If i'm DPSing or healing and I switch to bear I get the 2.5k extra armor from my earthwarden, and if i'm tanking or healing & switch to cat, I get the DPS boost from my Stranglestaff.

I just set the main outfit depending on which role I am expeciting to be filling and the mod does the rest. It is common for me to switch gear almost every pull depending on how much cc we have and how often I have to off-tank.
#17 Jul 26 2007 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
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RareBeast wrote:
I get around this in outfitter by having my tank, DPS & healing outfits all include my healing weapon & idol.

Then I have a catform & bearform outfit which ONLY has my DPS & tanking weapons & idols.

If i'm tanking or DPSing and I switch out to caster, I get the 300+heal from my healing weapon.

If i'm DPSing or healing and I switch to bear I get the 2.5k extra armor from my earthwarden, and if i'm tanking or healing & switch to cat, I get the DPS boost from my Stranglestaff.

I just set the main outfit depending on which role I am expeciting to be filling and the mod does the rest. It is common for me to switch gear almost every pull depending on how much cc we have and how often I have to off-tank.


/bowdown rarebeast


#18 Jul 27 2007 at 12:20 AM Rating: Decent
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It is in fact possible to heal in outland as a full feral duid. I've healed throuh steamvaults on occasion when no other healer was online in the guild. It's not as smooth as with a specced healer, and i miss the "oh ****" button (natures swiftness), but it's definately doable. The gear is like everyone elses, picked up when no other wanted it. I always carry a full healing set, a full tanking set and som dps items in my bags, so i know what to roll for and what not to roll for. It's hard to remember what healing gear you have when it's rarely used and sitting in the bank ;)
#19 Jul 28 2007 at 3:07 AM Rating: Default
Double post.

Edited, Jul 28th 2007 11:10am by LRCollier
#20 Jul 28 2007 at 3:08 AM Rating: Default
When you're questing, if none of the quest rewards are feral items you may need, pick up the best healing/int/spi item there. Makes great for a healing set when your group needs a healer.
#21 Jul 29 2007 at 5:22 AM Rating: Default
i was thinking the opposite: im in the lvl 55-59 grind and im getting bored with the one dimensional purpose of the cat form: ganking. I was thinking keeping all the str and agility for bear form and speccing for the treants. so for 'spell interrupt likely' random pvp encounters, it would be summon treants-bear form -engage, stun, get reasonable crits-transform -heal-moonfire crits as a finisher. only prob obviously is mana, but it may liven things up and get me to the 60 threshold so i can completly regear up.

if i recall there is something in feral that gives 20% boost to intellect, so you could have an impressive mana pool. for ganking greys, you dont need alot of str agil gear unless yo get off on 1 hits :). your still looking at tranforms to heal so you would need to lean balance as your combat initiate for pve. pvp it doesnt sound that great to have that set, as battles end in 1 min or less you need to hit fast and hard quick; and exposed cat is so vulnerable it sucks. depends..

worth trying, if your rich and dont mind having to respec if it sucks. if your up to 50g respeccs then thats a 100g proposal.
#22 Jul 29 2007 at 5:23 AM Rating: Default
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Edited, Jul 29th 2007 9:27am by roficale
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