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Alright, i'm brand new to WoW, so I may just be missing a concept or something. I have a lvl 29 warlock and am getting absolutely TRASHED in pvp. While my gear isn't amazing, i don't think that it is that bad. My general approach is use a succubus, send pet after a guy with DOT's, then shadowbolt him as he is running. What am I missing that this is simply not working? I've heard warlocks are great pvp, but i also have a lvl 18 hunter, and warlocks are my favorite target in pvp, so apparently i'm not the only one. any advice?
Viash wrote:
My general approach is use a succubus, send pet after a guy with DOT's, then shadowbolt him as he is running. What am I missing that this is simply not working? I've heard warlocks are great pvp, but i also have a lvl 18 hunter, and warlocks are my favorite target in pvp, so apparently i'm not the only one. any advice?
You should be using Seduce, if possible, followed up by going to max range with Shadowbolt+Immolate and Fear. Then you DOT him and set your Succy to invisible. Run away from em' and let them die.
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I'm having some trouble in wsg with my lv 17 undead warlock mostly because ppl like to chase me so i have no chance at casting anything other than coA. Am I just going to have to level until i get better moves? Standing still doesn't last me more than a few hits.
SasakiShota wrote:
I'm having some trouble in wsg with my lv 17 undead warlock mostly because ppl like to chase me so i have no chance at casting anything other than coA. Am I just going to have to level until i get better moves? Standing still doesn't last me more than a few hits.
You can't survive in the 10-19 bracket. It is the most filled with Twinks, and your abilities do improve with leveling.
So short answer, yes.
In 19 and 29 bg's, there are twinks with amazing stats. I'm talking 1600 hitpoints and more, way more. And those that don't go hitpoints get lots of either dodge or AP from various items. These guys have over 1200 hitpoints still.
In 29, twinks often have 2400 hp and more. A fully twinked druid in bear form has well over 3000. If he pops an arena trinket - he's very hard to kill.
Do you have improved Corruption? Standing there and casting is a bad idea. Dotting and fearing is good. If you don't have at least 1000 hp in 19 and 1800 hp in 29, you're sadly outgeared - you will have a hard time surviving. At least that's been my observation.
Also, locks don't really shine until the 49 bracket, where they get death coil - and other factors. GL
In 29, twinks often have 2400 hp and more. A fully twinked druid in bear form has well over 3000. If he pops an arena trinket - he's very hard to kill.
Do you have improved Corruption? Standing there and casting is a bad idea. Dotting and fearing is good. If you don't have at least 1000 hp in 19 and 1800 hp in 29, you're sadly outgeared - you will have a hard time surviving. At least that's been my observation.
Also, locks don't really shine until the 49 bracket, where they get death coil - and other factors. GL
Viash wrote:
Alright, i'm brand new to WoW, so I may just be missing a concept or something.
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any advice?
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any advice?
Since you're brand new I'd recommend looking at the other classes and figure out what it is that they'd like to do to you. Not just kill you of course, but how. That can go a long way in anticipating what they'll be doing and thus what you should do. Other than that, just suck it up and claim your vengance later because you will grow a lot more powerful.
we wear cloth and people love to hit someone wearing cloth (it doesn't hurt their hands like beating on mail does)
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This is my first Warlock (19) and I have spent a couple of days in WSG with this character.
What I have found is Dot then fear and Imm and target the next guy and repeat.
All the above are on 2 macros, and I may Fear then use the DOT macro then finish with Imm (yes I use timmers on my macros).
I do not cast Shadow bolt at all, it takes to long to cast and sticks me in place, if I need burst damage I use my wand or drain life.
My minnions (imp or Void) also depend on what I am faceing, lots of in your face type fighters then I use Imp, casters and hunters then I use Void walker.
In BG it seems your minnion will come back to life with you so I use Sacrafice when it looks rough vs Pally i tend to have to use this.
A Twink player I keep a curse running on them either Weakness or the armor debuff one, they hate those esp since they last 2 min.
This even forced a Twink out of the BG tonight as I kept Weakness on him at all times and he was not getting high damage, He cared more about his damage then his team.
What I have found is Dot then fear and Imm and target the next guy and repeat.
All the above are on 2 macros, and I may Fear then use the DOT macro then finish with Imm (yes I use timmers on my macros).
I do not cast Shadow bolt at all, it takes to long to cast and sticks me in place, if I need burst damage I use my wand or drain life.
My minnions (imp or Void) also depend on what I am faceing, lots of in your face type fighters then I use Imp, casters and hunters then I use Void walker.
In BG it seems your minnion will come back to life with you so I use Sacrafice when it looks rough vs Pally i tend to have to use this.
A Twink player I keep a curse running on them either Weakness or the armor debuff one, they hate those esp since they last 2 min.
This even forced a Twink out of the BG tonight as I kept Weakness on him at all times and he was not getting high damage, He cared more about his damage then his team.
In WSG, without dc or other higher-level moves (as said before, we start to shine in the late 40s), your best bet imo is to flag camp; personally I suggest waiting until you become more familiar with your lock, and there are fewer twinks in bg.
1) As the flag room is multi-floored, you can easily cast dots on multiple mobs without being hit - indeed, most people won't even realize you're there.
2) Casting fear against an enemy flag carrier is a great way to prevent them from escaping: hide in the doorway, target them as they run down the hallway, and fear them (with delay, you should get them as soon as they exit the base). Adding instant dots is also a must-do.
3) Move in groups as a support: unfortunately, it's hard for us to hold our own in bg at least until the upper 29's (requires a lot of quick thinking and vw popping); in this respect we're essentially the opposite of a priest. While priests are supportive healing, we're supportive damage. Therefore, run around with people who will be able to hold the attention of the enemies while your dots tick away (you will get few finishes, but a lot of total honor).
4) Constantly move. Although you can get off a few more shadowbolts by standing in the same place and casting - it's always best to run to a new position before starting your cast. This prevent rogues from easily ganking you - and also discourages melee's from chasing you (with the exception of hunters).
1) As the flag room is multi-floored, you can easily cast dots on multiple mobs without being hit - indeed, most people won't even realize you're there.
2) Casting fear against an enemy flag carrier is a great way to prevent them from escaping: hide in the doorway, target them as they run down the hallway, and fear them (with delay, you should get them as soon as they exit the base). Adding instant dots is also a must-do.
3) Move in groups as a support: unfortunately, it's hard for us to hold our own in bg at least until the upper 29's (requires a lot of quick thinking and vw popping); in this respect we're essentially the opposite of a priest. While priests are supportive healing, we're supportive damage. Therefore, run around with people who will be able to hold the attention of the enemies while your dots tick away (you will get few finishes, but a lot of total honor).
4) Constantly move. Although you can get off a few more shadowbolts by standing in the same place and casting - it's always best to run to a new position before starting your cast. This prevent rogues from easily ganking you - and also discourages melee's from chasing you (with the exception of hunters).
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Locks are an easy target in BG's. I usually don't do BG's until I am at least 2 lvl's below the bracket limit. (Ex: I wait till I am at least 37-39 before entering BG, then I power lvl till I am 47-49) That way I won't be over powered by upper lvl rogues, hunters, etc...
(I am a 49 lock, affliction build)
The other day, to my surprise, I managed to capture 2 flags in WSG for the Horde. I always thought that since locks wear cloth and everything, I would be dead before I even got out. I think I had a Warrior stunning and a Druid healing me on the way though. And anybody they couldn't handle, I got w/ my deathcoil and kept running.
On the offensive though, I try to keep my distance and send in my Succubus. Setting Seduction on Auto-Cast is pretty helpful because it helps me when I'm being 2 vs 1. In the case when I am being double teamed, I use Seduction on 1 guy, fear/deathcoil the other guy, Health Stone/Potion myself and RUN and call for help, LOL. By the way I cast Siphon Life on everyone in sight. so my health will stay full, that way I can Life Tap more often. I also carry a few mana potions w/ me as well.
If, however, my team's offensive sucks...I get bored and go on the defensive. I usually go up on the roof since my shadow spells can reach down into the flag room. I have my succubus stay near the entrance of the roof on defensive, so if anyone decides to sneak up on me, the succubus can sneak up on them and surprise attack (hopefully she can crit), I fear them, DOT, siphon life, drain life, and get a soul stone. Then I cannabalize (I am undead also)
If someone manages to get to the flag, I cast siphon life, DOT then up, jump down and death coil them, and rescue the flag. There usually should be a hunter or priest with you on defend too.
(I am a 49 lock, affliction build)
The other day, to my surprise, I managed to capture 2 flags in WSG for the Horde. I always thought that since locks wear cloth and everything, I would be dead before I even got out. I think I had a Warrior stunning and a Druid healing me on the way though. And anybody they couldn't handle, I got w/ my deathcoil and kept running.
On the offensive though, I try to keep my distance and send in my Succubus. Setting Seduction on Auto-Cast is pretty helpful because it helps me when I'm being 2 vs 1. In the case when I am being double teamed, I use Seduction on 1 guy, fear/deathcoil the other guy, Health Stone/Potion myself and RUN and call for help, LOL. By the way I cast Siphon Life on everyone in sight. so my health will stay full, that way I can Life Tap more often. I also carry a few mana potions w/ me as well.
If, however, my team's offensive sucks...I get bored and go on the defensive. I usually go up on the roof since my shadow spells can reach down into the flag room. I have my succubus stay near the entrance of the roof on defensive, so if anyone decides to sneak up on me, the succubus can sneak up on them and surprise attack (hopefully she can crit), I fear them, DOT, siphon life, drain life, and get a soul stone. Then I cannabalize (I am undead also)
If someone manages to get to the flag, I cast siphon life, DOT then up, jump down and death coil them, and rescue the flag. There usually should be a hunter or priest with you on defend too.
OveliaLethon wrote:
4) Constantly move. Although you can get off a few more shadowbolts by standing in the same place and casting - it's always best to run to a new position before starting your cast. This prevent rogues from easily ganking you - and also discourages melee's from chasing you (with the exception of hunters).
This is very good advice, don't be a sitting duck!
Constantly move, so obvious its genius.
As a rule, I don't cast shadowbolt without moving to a new casting position. Make a macro w/ your instant dots and cast em on the run, immolate only if you have time (i.e. are being left alone), and carry enough shards to shadowburn if you're specced for it.
Instant casts and mobility are part of what makes warlocks so dangerous. Not taking advantage of this in PvP playstyle is not playing your class well.
But, I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir.
My apologies
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As a rule, I don't cast shadowbolt without moving to a new casting position. Make a macro w/ your instant dots and cast em on the run, immolate only if you have time (i.e. are being left alone), and carry enough shards to shadowburn if you're specced for it.
Instant casts and mobility are part of what makes warlocks so dangerous. Not taking advantage of this in PvP playstyle is not playing your class well.
But, I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir.
My apologies
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I did AB and WSG as both a Demonology 'lock and a Affliction 'lock (I respecced), of the two first off I recommend Affliction. I don't recall what level you get it in the tree, but I would wait until you have Syphon Life. As the above poster mentioned Syphon Life is invaluable, especially in PVP.
Fear healers! Nothing blows your chances to win, especially in wsg, than a good healer. Fear. See if they click out of it - be ready to fear again.
If there is a flag carrier followed by a priest, fear the priest - let someone else take care of the fc - or fear the fc after the priest. You only fear the fc first if you're the only one there and need help - to hold up the fc and let your side get over.
The lock's role, as has been said many times, is not just dps - we're often not true dps - but rather a combo of support and dps. Locks fearing or seducing properly literally means victory or defeat in many situations.
Skulk, hide in the back if you can. At lower lvls I go for sta over sp dam, though even at 29 there are locks who can do nasty stuff with "full" sp dam gear. GL!
If there is a flag carrier followed by a priest, fear the priest - let someone else take care of the fc - or fear the fc after the priest. You only fear the fc first if you're the only one there and need help - to hold up the fc and let your side get over.
The lock's role, as has been said many times, is not just dps - we're often not true dps - but rather a combo of support and dps. Locks fearing or seducing properly literally means victory or defeat in many situations.
Skulk, hide in the back if you can. At lower lvls I go for sta over sp dam, though even at 29 there are locks who can do nasty stuff with "full" sp dam gear. GL!
Figured I would throw in my two cents on this one. Recently I was doing a little PvP action and saw this warlock. Me being a rogue figured 'ok come here lunchmeat'. I ran up, locked him down, built up for a quick attack and smashed a 4k hit into his 1/2 depleted life bar. I was all happy with myself till I got distracted by the fact that his life bar only went down a sliver. He killed the daylights out of me, but I was completely foused on his 25,000 hp. The only way we could take this guy out was to have 10 people attack him at the same time, and even then since no one was on the priest, he would get healed up and we had just been wasting our time. I think he was afliction cause he was throwing out fears like they were going out of style and had insta dots that hurt for a ton. Now the insta dots I was not worried about. The fact that he had 25k hp was something that kicked the snot out of us hardcore, because there was no way to eat through that before he had you feared, dotted, and an obvious target for everyone on his side. Moral of the day, a warlock with 25k hp makes a nasty battle tank, cloth armor or no cloth armor. He definately went toe to toe with the lot of us and won. Go stamina, stamina, stamina, and then look at + damage.
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My limited WSG experience in the level 19 bracket left me with high hopes for the future. Find a small group to run with. I stuck with a hunter and mage throughout, ended up third overall for the team and top in damage by a large margin just throwing dots, fears and the occasional wands while wearing greens from the AH. Died often enough but winning is all that mattered to me. It's fun ripping that rogue twink apart with your mage friend when the rogue chases you across the field and you get him 2-1. 1500 hp doesnt go far if you're feared or frozen through most of the fight. Basically just don't try going it alone in the lower brackets. Keep track of where your team is massed and get there.
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