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I myself wear the pants I have linked and assassination gloves. I definitely would NEVER roll against a rogue or a druid for either piece, but they were available and would've gone to waste if I did not get them, when I used to do everything up to ssc, I never really got hit. of course warriors that sit there in full leather are pointless to have, but a few pieces (especially some of the leather boots) are far superior to anything pre-ssc for pure dps roles.

I do understand where you're coming from though, and it all makes sense now, thanks for the clarification / explanation :D

Love this thread.

any thoughts on the

Crystalline Crossbow?

It has been a great addition to my prot build, as I have yet to step foot into kara.

/Cry, you still haven't added Felsteel Whisper Knives to the DW dps section.

Bout time! lol

Heh, ransack yourself before you take a stab at others ;) The amount of DPS the DPS:ers can to is determined by your TPS as a tank :) Not saying you're bad (how could I, I've never played with you) but it's something to think about!

This is an awesome post! I've been looking for this type of gear check list for some time to gage where I stand and nice to know I was heading the right direction!

However, I'm wondering (I know its still underconstruction) whether or not you will be adding the "enchants" you can recieve via Rep. I.E the Inscription of Vengeance & Greater Inscription of Vengeance attained with Honoured & Exalted Rep.

I think it would be an excellent addition as I know myself the only reason I found out about them was a guidie was bemoaning grinding rep for them and so I investigated it only to find out many of my guild mates (playing much longer than I) had no clue about them.

http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=31436

these shoulders are actually better than warchief's mantle, i put greater inscription of vengeance on both (30AP and 10crit), and put 16 AP and 8crit gems on the warchief's mantle, the sylvanaar shoulders still gave me .40ish% more crit and 12 more AP.

I only use uncommon gems while comparing items. And when I did, the epic was slightly better than the rare. Not much, but slightly. And this is a guide to list, what I believe is, the best gear. I take no note of how expensive an item is in mats, since you can easily just pick an item a few ranks below if you feel you don't have the money.


It's 10 more rating, being 4 more skill, being ~0.5 more avoidance (not counting block). Plus the +0.5% dodge from the agi. Now, I never consider blue gems in a comparison like this, and if I find a socket bonus worth matching I'll do that too.


They're not hybrid gloves if they havn't got a pure DPS stat on them... They give well over 1% dodge, along with the other avoidance from defense.


Yes, having done some recalculations I quite agree with you there. Felsteel > Bold.


I've never said they're bad. If they're on this list they're not bad, they're really good. Instead of getting hung up on there being 4 (now 3) gloves I consider better, think about how many gloves there are that are worse. Now, again, we don't use the same comparison system, but I do follow you on some of the things you point out.

However, this is merely a guide line. If you think one of the items listed here is better than another then that's what you should go with. I never insinutated that I hold the ultimate truth, and I may well have missed something while comparing over 300 items.

ALL items on this list are, by me, approved in kara. You can run around in the "worst" ranked items and MT kara if you like. The warrior that I use doesn't have all "1:"'s on it. And I certainly don't intend to get him all "1:"'s, since I don't feel like spending money on crafted items and what-not.



Again: Just make sure you have at least the "worst" ranked item in every slot. Everything above that matters less, since all items are good.

Cheers Camel.

Also, reading my previous post I'd like to apologize. It was a bit defensive... I really appreciate ALL the feedback written here so far, so I'm sorry if I'm having a bad day and turn up on these forums and ***** on you. I'm not going to edit anything away, since that would be even more retarded than putting it there in the first place; just a simple: Sorry if I'm harsh at times.

Aye you're right. I was gonna say: "But I don't list any BoP stuff..." but I DO. I'll get them in there as soon as possible. Also note that I've never had engineering in my life (that's right, not even skill: 1!), so I know nothing of the trinkets of which you speak. I'll try to find them though, and rank them as I see fit.

Again: Cheers for all the feedback, and sorry if I'm a ****.

Edited, Sep 26th 2007 11:07pm by Xordon

Should add the engineering goggles.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32473
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32461

Freakin' awesome gear if you ask me.

When tanking Defense, when PvPing resilience.

Once you get 490 defense skill (not defense rating) you can not be crit by a mob (save for special mobs that have over 5% base crit, but those are few and far between).

In PvP players have much higher crit percentages. This is where resilience is king cause not only does it reduce their crit% it also reduces the dmg you take from their crits that make it through.

I don't list the resilience stat because it is a PvP stat, and I'll explain just why that is right now.

Resilience lowers your chance to be critically hit. It also reduces the damage you take from DoT's and critical strikes. Now, by only looking at these facts you can come up with the following (assuming a tank's point of view):

+ Resilience helps you get critted less, this is the goal of any tank wishing to enjoy the PvE material of the game past normal instances.
+ Resilience reduces DoT damage you take.

- Resilience lowers the damage you take from crits, which it totally useless once you become uncrittable.
- There aren't enough situations in the game where you're dotted to the extent that resilience would actually be of use to you.

When looking more closely on how these stats work, you'll find the following:

39.4 resilience = -1% crit chance, -1% crit damage, -1% DoT damage (all values are in the case TAKEN).
~40 defense = -0.66% crit chance, +0.66% parry chance, +0.66% dodge chance, +0.66% block chance and +0.66% to be missed.

+ You need ~40 (39.4) resilience rating for -1% chance to be crit, whereas the defense counterpart is at ~60 (cannae be ***** to calculate that more thoroughly) rating for the same number.

- The defense counterpart grants you +parry, +dodge and +block ratings, in addition to crit chance reduction. This is vastly superior to the extras resilience give you.



Resilience is great for opponents that have big enough crit rate to make it impossible for defense to tackle it alone (and you get the benefit that those strikes that aren't negated by resilience with actually hit for less damage anyway). The number of PvE opponents that have a higher base crit rate than normal can be counted on one (or perhaps two) hands.

Jorge, this list was made before the Ragesteel Shoulders recipe was available. That's why it's not on there. I have to agree, they are fantastic dps shoulders. My warrior is wearing them right now in his dps set.

That said, I was looking over the ranged weapon part of the tanking section and I only saw the Gyro-Balanced Khorium Destroyer and The Boomstick. Both are great weapons, but I'm going to have to suggest adding the Crystalline Crossbow from Ogri'la rep. All the stats are good for tanking. +stam, +agi, and +hit rating. Agility gives you dodge and armor, as well as a slight increase in crit chance which helps very slightly with threat generation. The +stam and +hit are no-brainers, great stats to have. I've recently started using it as my tanking weapon and I'm quite happy with it. I will upgrade to the Gyro-Balanced Khorium Destroyer soon enough, but for now, the Crystalline Crossbow is a very easy to get epic that will hold you off quite nicely.