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I'm not looking forward to rewriting this once 2.3 comes out.
I'm not looking forward to rewriting this once 2.3 comes out.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
I'm not looking forward to re-learning how to play, if its any consolation.
P.S. Your 41/0/20 is still rotten.
Edited, Nov 2nd 2007 8:54am by EonSprinter
P.S. Your 41/0/20 is still rotten.
Edited, Nov 2nd 2007 8:54am by EonSprinter
The Demea of Doom wrote:
Updated.
I'm not looking forward to rewriting this once 2.3 comes out.
I'm not looking forward to rewriting this once 2.3 comes out.
Looking forward to it :)
only changes are for sub really
and i got the basics in my thread, just copy/paste and fix mai spelling you spellcheckbot!
and i got the basics in my thread, just copy/paste and fix mai spelling you spellcheckbot!
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ZOMG hemo OP now after 2.3 and now i think 30/0/31 is better than 21/0/40 :P
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I have a 45 rogue and want to know the best damg out put i have a 45 warrior brother who has 7 epic items he is a massive meat tank what spec should I go for to achieave max efficancy.
ok, i wana go maces at 70 (61 atm). i look at a talent calculator, and start looking at my choices, and am down to 3. plz lemme know which seems to be the best, i will focus on pvp, but do raiding as well. http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fheboxZG0EdMVx00Got
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhebot0oZZEMccMGocxox (i can also use swords while raiding with that one)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZGcVbMVx00GRtxMe0Mh
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0xZGcVbMVx00GRtxMe also looks ok, if it makes any real difference. thanks
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhebot0oZZEMccMGocxox (i can also use swords while raiding with that one)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fZGcVbMVx00GRtxMe0Mh
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0xZGcVbMVx00GRtxMe also looks ok, if it makes any real difference. thanks
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Demea wrote:
19/42/0 - Combat Swords
This is the best end-game damage build out there, and unarguably the best leveling build as well. The ability to solo with this build is amazing. Pull 3-4 enemies, hit Evasion, Blade Flurry, and Adrenaline Rush, and you're an unstoppable tornado of swordly death. The only big drawback to this build is the amount of damage you'll do to your finger by spamming Sinister Strike over and over and over and over again.
Pros:
Very high damage
Great solo ability
Very effective against multiple enemies
Consistent damage output
No positioning requirements
Cons:
Highly dependent upon weapons
Not as effective in PvP as other builds (like combat maces)
Boring!
This is the best end-game damage build out there, and unarguably the best leveling build as well. The ability to solo with this build is amazing. Pull 3-4 enemies, hit Evasion, Blade Flurry, and Adrenaline Rush, and you're an unstoppable tornado of swordly death. The only big drawback to this build is the amount of damage you'll do to your finger by spamming Sinister Strike over and over and over and over again.
Pros:
Very high damage
Great solo ability
Very effective against multiple enemies
Consistent damage output
No positioning requirements
Cons:
Highly dependent upon weapons
Not as effective in PvP as other builds (like combat maces)
Boring!
Demea wrote:
15/41/5 - Combat Daggers
While this build will theoretically out-damage Combat Swords (given infinite time, no agro gain, etc), its spot atop the damage meters has been relinquished simply because current raiding doesn't allow you to stay in one place, and positioning is sometimes a very difficult task. However, it does sit comfortably at number two.
In order to achieve optimal damage, this build relies on 3/5/5 cycles, which are near impossible to achieve while soloing or in PvP. This means that Combat Daggers are fairly useless outside of a raid setting. However, if you want to sit comfortably near the top of damage meters, or if you're just a die hard dagger adherent, this is the build for you.
Pros:
Very high damage
Relatively easy to play
Cons:
Useless outside of raids
Must be behind your target
Requires a good tank to pull off
While this build will theoretically out-damage Combat Swords (given infinite time, no agro gain, etc), its spot atop the damage meters has been relinquished simply because current raiding doesn't allow you to stay in one place, and positioning is sometimes a very difficult task. However, it does sit comfortably at number two.
In order to achieve optimal damage, this build relies on 3/5/5 cycles, which are near impossible to achieve while soloing or in PvP. This means that Combat Daggers are fairly useless outside of a raid setting. However, if you want to sit comfortably near the top of damage meters, or if you're just a die hard dagger adherent, this is the build for you.
Pros:
Very high damage
Relatively easy to play
Cons:
Useless outside of raids
Must be behind your target
Requires a good tank to pull off
What makes a Combat Sword build have better solo ability then a Combat Dagger build? I seem to end up soloing alot so solo ability is important for me, but would prefer to stick with daggers for anestetic reasons if nothing else (my hunter already uses dual swords and i'm kinda sick of using dual swords...haha).
Also, seems like playing a rogue requires respecing at a few levels?
spectrechan wrote:
What makes a Combat Sword build have better solo ability then a Combat Dagger build? I seem to end up soloing alot so solo ability is important for me, but would prefer to stick with daggers for anestetic reasons if nothing else (my hunter already uses dual swords and i'm kinda sick of using dual swords...haha).
Also, seems like playing a rogue requires respecing at a few levels?
Also, seems like playing a rogue requires respecing at a few levels?
Daggers requires you to be behind a mob.
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What makes a Combat Sword build have better solo ability then a Combat Dagger build? I seem to end up soloing alot so solo ability is important for me, but would prefer to stick with daggers for anestetic reasons if nothing else (my hunter already uses dual swords and i'm kinda sick of using dual swords...haha).
Actually you can put anesthetic poison on swords too ya know, but then, why?
Ohhhh, you meant aesthetic, didn't you.
/smartass-hattery
spectrechan wrote:
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What makes a Combat Sword build have better solo ability then a Combat Dagger build? I seem to end up soloing alot so solo ability is important for me, but would prefer to stick with daggers for anestetic reasons if nothing else (my hunter already uses dual swords and i'm kinda sick of using dual swords...haha).
Also, seems like playing a rogue requires respecing at a few levels?
What makes a Combat Sword build have better solo ability then a Combat Dagger build? I seem to end up soloing alot so solo ability is important for me, but would prefer to stick with daggers for anestetic reasons if nothing else (my hunter already uses dual swords and i'm kinda sick of using dual swords...haha).
Also, seems like playing a rogue requires respecing at a few levels?
You could try out Mutilate. Solos quite a bit better than combat daggers, and is a cooler dagger build anyway imo.
Im not sure what other parts of the game you are doing though, PvP, raiding, etc.
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mostly PvE at the moment as i Level up...some pvp since i'm on PVP server...
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mostly PvE at the moment as i Level up...some pvp since i'm on PVP server...
Really should try a 41/20/0 Mutilate build then (or work towards it as you level) as it allows you to do both PvE and PvE quite nicely. Still daggers, and still having to be behind the target, but the positioning requirement is pretty much offset by both the CP generation of Mutilate and Fleet Footed, which has you moving around quite fast - to the point that you can pretty much dance around a player you loaded up with some crippling poison.
You can do some decent grinding with a build like this too, without having to stealth all the damn time. When I'm now doing dailies on the Isle, I just pull with a throw, then gauge (often getting 2 CPs), wait for energy, Mutilate, KS, Mutilate x1 or x2, Evis (sometimes not even needed)- dead mob. Sometimes adding a Shiv after the first Mutilate, if it doesn't crit and my auto attack or the Muti itself didn't do the poisoning for me. A guaranteed crit every 3 minutes speeds things up even more.
Try this for combat swords.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ebovZMIV0bVzxMGkt
Vile poisons is much better for raid bosses than imp eviscerate.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ebovZMIV0bVzxMGkt
Vile poisons is much better for raid bosses than imp eviscerate.
Somebody rated down almost all of my posts in the thread. :(
Nice to know that even though I'm not posting here (or playing the game) anymore, I still get under people's skin.
Nice to know that even though I'm not posting here (or playing the game) anymore, I still get under people's skin.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
=D
Who let the troll out of it's cage?
<3 Demea
Who let the troll out of it's cage?
<3 Demea
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I am following your build on the best leveling build combat swords.
I have a question why improved gouge? All the lv70s I see place their points in 5% dodge chance.
I have a question why improved gouge? All the lv70s I see place their points in 5% dodge chance.
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Sorry for double post I forgot to say I am doing so much better now in PvE everything is going faster thanks.
( I just noticed the edit button )
Edited, Jun 1st 2008 11:31pm by Swoozie
( I just noticed the edit button )
Edited, Jun 1st 2008 11:31pm by Swoozie
Swoozie wrote:
I have a question why improved gouge? All the lv70s I see place their points in 5% dodge chance.
Dodge is a fickle mistress. In PvP, it means you have a 5% greater chance of warriors shoving a mace up your **** and hitting you with bleed, while 5.5 second gouge allows you to drop combat and restealth. Of course it's invaluable against other rogues, but generally you'll get more usefulness out of the restealth than the extra dodge chance.
In PvE, you shouldn't have to dodge anything because you shouldn't be standing in front of the mob, although it can be useful on bosses like Gruul if your MT/OT go down and the melee start taking the Hurtful Strikes. I'd just rather have the points in Imp Gouge and Imp Sprint/Endurance.
Basically, there's better places to spend the 5 points.
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
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Okay! So I just joined the site, I'm one of the people who never posts anything, it's 4 in the morning, and I haven't slept in 2 days. But I'm going to post my own little mini-rant anyway! :P First of all, this is a great post, as others have said. I learned some new things from it even, but I feel the sub-spec side of things got a little gimped. I'm 15/3/43 deep sub :P so I may also be biased? Anyway, assuming I didn't completely misunderstand the point of the post (Read ^above^ to understand why thats totally possible) the whole strategy of stunlocking got left out, and it sorta became a "best mutilate/combat build" thing. . . Now you say that sub builds have "horrible sustained DPS and Cp gen" but i find i generate CPs damn fast (Admittedly I've never been combat or assassination, maybe thats uber-insane :P) and then as far as DPS, as long as i can stun and get behind quickly, i have such frequent burst damage, that white DPS isn't a problem. Right now I have a dagger MH and whatever the fastest, highest DPS weapon i can get is, for OH. Basically (Assuming a simple situation, like a duel) I do this: Cheap shot, Hemo, Gouge, Restealth, 3k crit ambush :P, 5 CP kidney shot, then gouge and repeat. And this works wonders for me. Sometimes a player is smart and escapes, but then i just run away, as rogues were made to do ^_^. So yeah. . . I just wanted to add my two bits, and as a P.S. this is obviously a completely PvP-geared build, and not really viable as anything else. . . My comment may be totally useless and nubletesque, but I hope I can at least bring some honor back to the Sub builds!
theamazingmoose wrote:
-Wall of text about sub-
Sub is great for one thing: PvP.
The DPS is lacking. The CP generation is lacking.
You're talking about soloing, which I can do easily as 0/0/0, so it really doesn't make a difference.
What we're talking about is min/maxing for raiding and arena.
If you don't care about min/maxing, good, have fun playing the game your way. Just don't post about it, because we don't care.
Cookie cutter builds are tried and tested builds that have the theorycraft to back them up. That's all that's been said in this thread.
Edit: for PvP discussion, you'll want to check my PvP FAQ a bit further down (or up, depending on when you read this) the page.
Edited, Jun 6th 2008 3:25am by Theophany
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Awww, you're mean -_- But thank you for the critiscm, even if it was a tad harsh for my tastes? I guess I did misunderstand this post, so my bad, and apologies all around. I shall take your advice and never post again! *salute*
Edit: Having checked up more on other posts around the site, I see now it is not my post, but your nature to be. . . blunt. So I shall still take your critiscm to heart, but will not stop posting. so HA, and maybe I'll compare you to a pig someday, to get you to laugh among your bitterness :D
Edited, Jun 6th 2008 6:58am by theamazingmoose
Edit: Having checked up more on other posts around the site, I see now it is not my post, but your nature to be. . . blunt. So I shall still take your critiscm to heart, but will not stop posting. so HA, and maybe I'll compare you to a pig someday, to get you to laugh among your bitterness :D
Edited, Jun 6th 2008 6:58am by theamazingmoose
theamazingmoose wrote:
Awww, you're mean -_- But thank you for the critiscm, even if it was a tad harsh for my tastes? I guess I did misunderstand this post, so my bad, and apologies all around. I shall take your advice and never post again! *salute*
Edit: Having checked up more on other posts around the site, I see now it is not my post, but your nature to be. . . blunt. So I shall still take your critiscm to heart, but will not stop posting. so HA, and maybe I'll compare you to a pig someday, to get you to laugh among your bitterness :D
Edited, Jun 6th 2008 6:58am by theamazingmoose
Edit: Having checked up more on other posts around the site, I see now it is not my post, but your nature to be. . . blunt. So I shall still take your critiscm to heart, but will not stop posting. so HA, and maybe I'll compare you to a pig someday, to get you to laugh among your bitterness :D
Edited, Jun 6th 2008 6:58am by theamazingmoose
Welcome to the boards :-D
I see you've met Theo ...ROFLMAO *classic*
theamazingmoose wrote:
so HA, and maybe I'll compare you to a pig someday, to get you to laugh among your bitterness :D
I'm sorry that's my trademark :P
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