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#52 Sep 05 2007 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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even though this pains me greatly, as i believe[d] that daggers are just wtfpwnsauze they have really been cut deep by itemization and new encounters to sword spec. there have been MANY instances where this build has been tested against sword spec and it's been coming short damn near each time.

This whole thread is a work of theorycraft. While I agree that the positioning requirement, as well as the actual specifics of certain encounters, might not be ideally suited for dagger builds, they still win out on paper, as you so aptly stated.

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I am going to respec to Combat Mutilate. How should I distribute the points? Should I go down the Assas tree and get mutilate as soon as possible, or should I try to get DW as soon as possible, or should I just go down evenly?

40 Rogue currently so 31 points to re-distibute.

Go with Combat Swords until 55. It's the best grinding build out there, and you won't be able to take full advantage of Mutilate until then.

Once you hit 55, find some nice, slow daggers, and respec 41/0/5 (the 5 points being Opportunity). As you level, put your other points into Combat so you can grab Precision and Imp. SnD as soon as possible.

Once you hit 70, respec to the 41/20/0 build linked at the top of the thread to maximize your DPS (as a Mutilate rogue).
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#53 Sep 05 2007 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Dem, I've been using your mut-sub build and I've got to say thanks. It's great.
#54 Sep 05 2007 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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Dem, I've been using your mut-sub build and I've got to say thanks. It's great.

Actually, I took a look at your build, and there's one thing that's bothering me: 5/5 MoD, and only 3/5 Opportunity. Get that switched around to enjoy the full benefit of the damage bonus that Opportunity gives you.
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#55 Sep 05 2007 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I respecced away from combat at 58 to play around some in AV. I figured MoD had more utility against the level 60's than opportunity. And with the next few levels I put points in camo because I was starting to bang my head against the wall, with how slow I moved in stealth and how long it took to get back into it. I promise to fill out Opportunity after camo.

And also WTF Ur not teh bos of me
#56 Sep 05 2007 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
What do u think about just going combat daggers to 55 instead with daggers spec. I have 2 really nicee daggers right now and Im having a hard time getting 2 nice swords right now that are equal to the amount of damage and dps my daggers are.
#57 Sep 05 2007 at 10:03 PM Rating: Good
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What do u think about just going combat daggers to 55 instead with daggers spec. I have 2 really nicee daggers right now and Im having a hard time getting 2 nice swords right now that are equal to the amount of damage and dps my daggers are.

As the guide clearly stated, Combat Daggers is a raid/group build. It's absolutely terrible for soloing due to the positional requirement of daggers.

Trust me, it'll be well worth the effort to find two decent swords. Hell, just grab the WSG sword every 10 levels, and that's one taken care of. Get an offhand off the AH if you have to.
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#58 Sep 05 2007 at 10:34 PM Rating: Decent
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add the 11/28/22 build already ;)
#59 Sep 05 2007 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
Well until i find 2 swords this is what im using

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?2053201050521305010513210052020050000000000000000000000000000000000#none

And OMG, i am killin mobs in literally 10 seconds. 39 and 40 mobs mind you and im 40.

I have deadly venom II. I open with Garrote, then SnD (which is 12 seconds with imp SnD (1 combo point worth)), then i SS x2 or 3 then Eviscerate. Now at first i thought 12 seconds would run out before the fight was over. But noo, im ending the fight before the SnD runs out and doing this with every mob. I dont even have time to get eviscerate up to 5 combo points, but usually 3 or 4 cause im killing the mob so fast. And i am able to take 3-4 mobs with Blade fury. So far the daggers are working very will. With Imp SnD im hitting really fast, and im actually criting with SS and regular hits quite a bit, and my evis is putting mass damage. The setup is basically the same as a combat sword setup but with daggers (two good daggers with good damage and DPS)

I will probably still go with swords when i get into ULD and get the ones i want in there. But right now, im soloing mad fast and crazy with the set up above and 2 daggers.
#60 Sep 05 2007 at 11:05 PM Rating: Decent
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eb' now I have a question... you're mutilate build, why do you SS instead ... that pretty much makes you have mutilate pointless, which means you're wasting about 6 talent points that give you less benefit than you could have...

if you're having that much ease, i don't doubt that it would be even faster if you were to throw in CS into the rotation for the opener and mutilating afterwards.
#61 Sep 05 2007 at 11:59 PM Rating: Decent
Oh, no your absolutely right about mutilate.

But im not a mutilate build right now.

Im following the advice i was given. Go combat swords (im using daggers in the post i explained) until 55. Then, i will be switching to Mutilate and i will be respecing.

I was just explaining that im doing massive amounts of damage and fast kills with the combat swords build but with 2 good daggers.

Im still only a level 40 rogue. So going mutilate would be pointless right now.
#62 Sep 06 2007 at 12:34 AM Rating: Decent
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hmm i guess i misread your post..

seemed to me when you said

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Well until i find 2 swords this is what im using

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/class...000000#none

And OMG, i am killin mobs in literally 10 seconds. 39 and 40 mobs mind you and im 40.


i missed the fact that you're 40 :)

Edited, Sep 6th 2007 1:34am by russki
#63 Sep 07 2007 at 7:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Demea,

Fantastic post. Thanks to folks like you, it makes it so much easier for the rest of us!

vr,

Graern

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#64 Sep 10 2007 at 3:43 AM Rating: Decent
This post deserves a sticky.
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#65 Sep 12 2007 at 7:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Going back to your Muti/sub build, doesn't this make more sense:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhe0oxgsizmoZVMe0G

MoD at 70 seems less useful than elusiveness and setup. Then again, I haven't dinged 70 yet so that's why I'm asking. I plan on farming AV with the build linked above, once I hit the cap. What say you?

Edit: mistake on the assasination tree

Edited, Sep 12th 2007 11:55am by EonSprinter
#66 Sep 12 2007 at 8:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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To be honest, I only threw in a Sub Mutilate build because I knew that people would be asking for one. It seems that some people can't cope without Dirty Tricks, so I threw together some popular talents and posted it.

The talent choice is Sub is mostly personal preference, except for Opportunity; if you're not going to go 41/20, you must have Opportunity to make up for the DPS loss you're taking by not grabbing DW Spec.
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#67 Oct 05 2007 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I was going to go Mut/sub to 69 and respec Mut/combat at 70. What about taking the 5 from Camo and putting them in Serrated Blades and Elusiveness? I love MoD, but I can see where it is less useful at 70 unless you PvP a lot (I focus more on PvE unless I get jumped).
#68 Oct 05 2007 at 8:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Try this Mut Sub variant.

Really, a good enough sneak in a zone appropriate for their level doesn't need MoD.
#69 Oct 05 2007 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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EonSprinter wrote:
Try this Mut Sub variant.

Really, a good enough sneak in a zone appropriate for their level doesn't need MoD.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fbeboxgoikVoZVMe0Mh

Had to change that one point for you to negate natural resists. Smiley: grin
#70 Oct 05 2007 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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do mobs have a 5% to resist poisons?
#71 Oct 05 2007 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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EonSprinter wrote:
do mobs have a 5% to resist poisons?

I've seen plenty of resists, but players definitely do have 5% base resist to poisons.
#72 Oct 05 2007 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Try this Mut Sub variant.

Really, a good enough sneak in a zone appropriate for their level doesn't need MoD.


That's Pretty much what I was leaning towards, with the points in MoD instead of Camo. I like the idea of the increased movement though, and I have been practicing with Distract a lot since I lost MoD at 50.
#73 Oct 05 2007 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Map distract to mousewheel click. Works like a charm.
#74 Oct 05 2007 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Your keybindings thread is pure gold to me as I am a self admitted keyboard turner/clicker. I have a female gnome warrior with pink pigtails name Pwnerpuff that I am leveling exclusively with keybindings from level one. I have her up to around 6 or 7 now and it is becoming a lot easier to keep from looking at the top of her head all the time. As soon as I feel comfortable with it I will be setting the bindings up on my Rogue.
#75 Oct 05 2007 at 11:22 PM Rating: Decent
hmmm... and what do u think about 21/0/40 hemo build for pvp? i think its a good choice for pvp. u do the premed-CS-CB-evi combo, hit preparation and again. it works well i think of with +15%agi and +10% ap, and master of sub. your oppinions?

Edited, Oct 14th 2007 9:03am by Dantso
#76 Oct 05 2007 at 11:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Dantso wrote:
hmmm... and what do u think about 21/0/40 hemo build for pvp? i think its a good choice for pvp. u do the premed-CS-CB-evi combo, hit preparation and again. it works well i think. your oppinions?

At 70 it's horrible.

Hemo is pretty bad at 70, sadly.
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