Touchy subjectsFollow

Folks;

Saw a similar post, but didn't want to hijack his thread.

I was in VC(Deadmines) on my priest and there was a lock in the group with his imp out. It should have been a warning to me when he spammed the party chat every 5 minutes with his damage meter output. He had some *great* damage, that is for sure (I suspect former twink, as his gear was all blue and enchanted). A lvl 19(?) with around 1.2K health and he did 50% of our group damage (he also pulled aggro like you wouldn't believe!). Anyways, we were going into the big round room with goblins. His pet is on defensive, he is walking close to the inside wall.

What happened next has happened to me before too, he got hit, his pet ran over and aggro'ed half the room, we wiped. No Soul Stone on the priest, so we all run back. It was partly my bad that there was no Soul Stone, I should have asked for it. I then asked him what his pet was set to, he said 'defensive'. I asked him if he would put the pet on passive, that way we could avoid the same situation again. The hunter in the group says that pets can't attack when in passive. I let him know they could, but had to be commanded to attack. The lock drops party and starts cursing me out and telling me how you shouldn't tell someone how to play their class.....

*jeez*... I apologize and say why I was asking that.

So... my question for y'all is: How do you ask someone to do something with their class? E.g. Put your pet on passive, turn off 'taunting abilities' on Voidwalker, etc.

Normal PuG mayhem.

Noobs learning (or not learning) how to work as a group, how to play their class. It's a rocky road.

Wear crash helmet - expect mild concussions. On the way, look for a cool guild w/ people your level - make a friends list of good players - try to group w/ good players you trust.

First of all, its never your fault that there is no soulstone, its his fault. Your job is healing the entire group, our job is stones and damage.

Personally, your the healer, your (agrueably) the most important person in the group, and hardest to find as well. Dont ask, tell him to put his pet on passive, this is like telling the hunter to turn growl off on his pet. Tell him to stop pulling aggro, its not his job to tank. If he cant deal with any of those, then kick him from the group, find a better lock.
and toss a /wave when you finish the instance without him.

Eh, mabe a little harsh, but my luck with pugs has seriously, seriously diminished lately. Guess I'm getting tired of people thinking you can do a heroic in 30 minutes.

Side Note: on my resto shammy, I had a lock like you have. My uh, hm, my healing button got...stuck. Yea, stuck. If he doesnt want to listen, teach him. I have absolutely no problem with a healer refusing to heal a DPSer that constantly pulls aggro.

lol, if your not a warlock and give tips to a warlock about how to be more warlock... y... they always go "Don't tell me how to play my class" Which is defiantly annoying... lol noob warlocks... lol warlocks are wars with locks at the end of them... lol i'm stupid... lol... i'm stu with a pid at the end!

Edited, Jun 26th 2007 5:15pm by Flapalapagus

If I am concerned about what their pet settings are, I ask them. If they tell me settings that I don't agree with I ask them to fix it. If they don't either I leave group or /kick. It works no matter what.

I'd suggest to not be afraid to ask or tell someone to do something, but be ready for a negative response. If you get that "wtf, don't tell me how to play" answer, give a short apology. Usually if you JUST say "Oh, sorry" (without reiterating your original suggestion) they won't be able to say much else, and if they do, just kick them or leave the group.

It also helps to just say no to PuGs. It's easier to tell a friendly guildie that they're being an idiot than it is to tell a complete stranger.

I recomend sending them a tell instead of telling them in party chat. this way they will not be embarassed that someone in the group knows more about their class than they do. Ask nicely and explain the reasoning behind it. Sometimes people will get all defensive and there is nothing you can do other than hope they heed your advice. If they don't, then give them the option of either changing or leaving the group...more often than not they will leave if it comes to this.

And yes, an imp should always be on passive...I'm pretty sure no matter what, especially in an instance. Also, soul stoning is the locks job not the healers. In fact, I get offended when they ask for a soul stone (since I always soul stone and if they ask that means its on cool down) but I don't take it too personally as a healer will feel much better with that little purple circle at the top of their screen and/or may not realize its a 30 min cooldown. On the other hand, when they let me know that the stone will expire in 5 mins or whatever I like that because it means the healer is on the ball. I just inform them that I have necrosis and it tells you how long you have left on the cooldown.

In conclusion, the warlock in your group was terrible and should stick to level 19 pvp where he belongs.

LOL Runescape! I love it! hahaha.



Sorry just was laughing at the L337 PvP for runescape... thats like saying thumbwars is the best PvP ever.

I am not even bothering with players like that anymore. I had enough of 70 levels teaming with competitive dps maniac and have no more patience for such behaving.

Its the wrong idea that most pre-teenagers have about what is a good player - the one that tops damage meters at any cost.

What do I do? I tell them I have quite long time chewed level 70 lock and if they dont change their bad habits asap its either me leaving that group or they get /kick. No excuses.
Even if I didnt have level 70 lock I think I played WoW and read around enough to claim to have some knowledge about how to play certain classes.
And I never question my authority. I am never rude either, I say "you did this and that and it was wrong - it caused wipe/adds/whatever, please dont do that again or we wont be in the same group for longer than 3 minutes". Period and no discussions.

My time it too precious to waste it on badly raised kids that are not my own, sorry.

Wow two bad players in this PUG. Obviously the warlock should have been /kicked immediately after arguing over putting the pet on passive and not SSing. The hunter, lol, thinking that a pet on passive can't attack...gtfo.

I keep my pet on passive almost all the time (instances/raids/questing/grinding), defensive only when I'm going afk in the field, and aggressive in PvP (I'm affliction so usually felhunter). I have /petattack bound to a key so its easy to send my pet into the foray. It works nicely.

You were obviously dealing w/ inexperienced players and a particularly touchy egotistical warlock. Be happy you didn't have to deal with him more than you did.

it's VC. The person playing the warlock doesn't (yet) know how to play his class. As far as him leaving, I look at that as a good outcome. If he can't change the way he plays to something that won't cause a wipe, then he should either leave or get booted from the group.

I'd be willing to place a small wager that this warlock tried to place the blame of the wipe on "lousy healing" instead of acknowledging his errors.

Well, seeing that he was twinked, e probably does PvP most of the time. In PvP it's a good idea to have your pet on defensive. He just might not have been used to Puging, and didn't know what to do. But him leaving and cussing you out is just rude.