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After the 31 points in Combat. The higher stuff isn't that good for grinding, while the Assassination talents are very good.

I guess the dots do more damage only in long (boss) fights.

As for leveling, I think that double instant poisons are best on most mobs (crippling isn't really needed for runners, just make sure you keep CPs and energy so as to finish the mob quickly with an Evisc when he turns heels to run). I'd change that only after getting Mutilate since the target needs to be poisoned (or after receiving Envenom, but that's even later).

nostra

Edited, Jul 10th 2007 4:02pm by nostraaa

Depends on your fighting style. On my main, I'm using Mutilate so I need the target to be poisoned so it's fine to use the dot, even for short fights.

But on my reroll, I'm Combat specced so Instant serves me better since, in most fights other than bosses, I feel that the fight doesn't drag on long enough for the dots to do more damage than the multiple Instant poison doses.

nostra

I just hit 30 and I am going to respec when I go to town. (Probably 32 for new skills)

I like the build but since I won't be PvPing should i Put 3 points in lightninng reflexes instead of Gouge.

and should i ever get that final point in Dual Wield?

Nice guide. Only thing I'd add about professions is that Skinning/Leatherworker can be a good combo for a rogue (ie fit yourself out). Especially when you get to 70 and can have the BOP epics.

In the next couple of patches Blizzard will release more rogue BOP LW recipes.

Nice guide for new rogues.

When I started my rogue alt I went for a subtlety build using daggers for dps, because it seemed 'rogueish' to me. This was a while back, but I don't think the tree has changed much since then.

I found grinding very slow and had trouble dealing with multiple mob pulls (as most of my grinding was focused around being able to get behind the target). Having to stealth for the best opening also puts you at a disadvantage when ranged pulling would be better (to avoid adds).

I got my rogue to level 30, had some quite nice gear as it was an alt (triprunner dungarees, toxic revenger, tigerstrike mantle), but I didn't enjoy levelling it very much as I found the combat quite slow. Having been a target for rogues on my druid I was expecting something a little more OP.

Eventually I changed server and sold all my rogues gear when I decided to transfer my main to my new server.

A little while ago I decided to give rogue another shot. So I transfered my naked, talentless (BC having reset them) rogue to my new server, geared her up in greens and a crafted blue and on the advice of the forums specced a combat build and made myself 2 swords.

The change was just amazing. I really enjoy levelling my rogue now and can deal with extra mobs without too much hassle (providing Blade Flurry is up :P), I've not done that much pvp but when I have I managed to kill my opponants quite quickly.

I think the damage output of combat swords is just a lot better than what you can acheive with subtlety, trying to position yourself behind a target in solo pve is a lot of trouble, it's much easier just to run straight at your target and batter it to death.

I think that you learn most about your class through playing with others, rather than through solo play, regardless of how people level most of them will still suck on their first character that hits 60 (or 70), I know I still had a lot to learn about druid when I hit 60.

This is a nice guide, with some good tips about the easiest way to level up a rogue. I wish I'd read something like this when I first made my rogue.

Great guide. Why Weapon Expertise over the 5th Dual Wield?

Looks like you have it in your lvl 40 and lvl 60 combat swords builds, but not your lvl 70. Just curious as to the reasoning behind that.

I used this thread for your other builds:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=4;mid=1168843786135015300;num=120;page=1

Basically, when I wrote that, the usefulness of Weapon Expertise was dubious. With later Blue posts, it's become known that it's much more useful than originally thought, but I've abandoned that section of the guide. Demea has written a much better build guide, so I'm letting him take over that aspect.

Remorseless is extremely conditional. Unless you plan on doing nothing but high-speed grinding, those two points are better off being spent elsewhere.

I don't think this has been noted yet, but sword spec is getting changed whenever the patch comes out to not be able to proc off itself.

By far the most useful piece of information I've run into on the site. Rate up, good sir.

My rogue is now 19, and I'm really enjoying the change of pace from end-game raiding and ranged combat :)

I will say the same thing.
Great guide, my experience was exactly as Tynuv experienced.
By the 2nd hour, I was frustrated/bored out of my mind, lag misses and bandaging frequently. Until today, I assumed that was the *only* way to level Rouge, as my experienced 60 (pre-BC) friend with many 60 alts, told me

"Rogues use only daggers"

Thanks again for the great guide. I would not have known.
Cheers

p.s. I second sticky or merging this with the Rogue FAQ

...wut