Hey Aethien, great thread. Just wanted to point out that its now generally accepted that the hit cap is in actual fact a little over 142. Just thought you might want to edit that into your post. (Also Vengeful Gladiator's Chain Helm is a way better dps upgrade from any blue listed in this thread than the waraxe is, which I won't stop pointing out to people till it gets acknowledged :P)
Also a reminder that at least 2 of each colour gem is needed for activation of the meta gem, so people shouldn't go too crazy on the red agi gems.
Edited, Dec 6th 2007 11:38am by shenlongxz
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shenlongxz wrote:
Also Vengeful Gladiator's Chain Helm is a way better dps upgrade from any blue listed in this thread than the waraxe is, which I won't stop pointing out to people till it gets acknowledged :P
Personally i havent ever paid much attention to PvP gear myself.
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Also a reminder that at least 2 of each colour gem is needed for activation of the meta gem, so people shouldn't go too crazy on the red agi gems.
so its pretty damn easy.
(and you can probably get 2 socket bonuses with it as well)
875 more points, so ~3 weeks more if you only do 2v2. I appreciate not everyone is willing to go for the larger gain first though ^^. It's killing me saving up my badges of Justice for Shifting Camouflage when I don't even have Bloodlust Brooch yet. And green gems completely slipped my mind because I keep getting socketing Shifting Nightseyes in my blue sockets, fair enough :P
Pre-raid pretty much aims for people who want to raid, so 4 weeks of pvp or 7 weeks is a damg big difference.
Especially for gear that is sub-optimal for what you want to do.
Especially for gear that is sub-optimal for what you want to do.
For those specs you have listed, what are the extra stats you need to pack on to get the best out of them? I understand a lot of +Agi and +Crit for the surv spec, but what about if I wanted to go all out Marksman?
to start off, i would advise not going marksmen for any raiding beyond karazhan.
Second, Sv you want to go for pure Agility, other stats (like HP and MP) will follow with better gear.
For MM and BM you simply go for AP until ~300 tooltip dps (some higher for MM) and once you reach that point start going for Agility too.
The reason you want to go for agility is because it scales better with gear and buffs.
(and the added crit it gives you really starts paying off then)
Second, Sv you want to go for pure Agility, other stats (like HP and MP) will follow with better gear.
For MM and BM you simply go for AP until ~300 tooltip dps (some higher for MM) and once you reach that point start going for Agility too.
The reason you want to go for agility is because it scales better with gear and buffs.
(and the added crit it gives you really starts paying off then)
Add how much hit you need for each spec (SV with sure footed, etc etc.)
Come to think of it, this thread would be the perfect location for linking Cheeky's spreadsheet (found at here). And 20 minutes a week for a T5 equivalent helm isn't exactly sub-optimal for pre-raid gear, but I guess I see what you're saying.
In the 'Epic Gear outside of raids' section, you put Swiftsteel Gloves in the hand section when really, they aren't epic.
Also, your link for Veteran's Musket actually leads us to an icon .png of the gun, not the actual Allakhazam Information page.
Oh, and 1 last thing. In the 'Epic Gear outside of raids' section, for the 'back' section, you could add Dory's Embrace. Although this costs quite a few badges, it's still worth a mention.
Edited, Dec 15th 2007 6:07am by Romordi
Also, your link for Veteran's Musket actually leads us to an icon .png of the gun, not the actual Allakhazam Information page.
Oh, and 1 last thing. In the 'Epic Gear outside of raids' section, for the 'back' section, you could add Dory's Embrace. Although this costs quite a few badges, it's still worth a mention.
Edited, Dec 15th 2007 6:07am by Romordi
Any thoughts on Crystalforged Trinket? http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=32654;source=live
Was considering it as an alternative to Bladefist's Breadth. More AP, shorter cooldown, shorted duration. More AP long term, and I think the weapon damage bonus works with ranged weapons.
Was considering it as an alternative to Bladefist's Breadth. More AP, shorter cooldown, shorted duration. More AP long term, and I think the weapon damage bonus works with ranged weapons.
In the comments it says that the weapopn dmg also affects ranged so thats a nice bonus.
And with the cooldown of 1 minute its not a bad trinket.
I guess its even a bit better then Bladefist.
And with the cooldown of 1 minute its not a bad trinket.
I guess its even a bit better then Bladefist.
So Valanos' Bow is listed, but Lohn'goron, Bow of the Torn-heart isn't. Just curious as to how they compare. To me, they seem more or less equal. I purchased Valanos' based on the guide, and found out about Lohn'goron after the purchase, so I have both. As a SV hunter, the extra agi looks good.
What do you think?
What do you think?
Valanos is better imo, but it definately deserves a place in the list.
It'll be in in the next update (probably next weekend)
It'll be in in the next update (probably next weekend)
Eye of the Stalker from H Underbog deserves a spot amongst the rings.
Kompera wrote:
Eye of the Stalker from H Underbog deserves a spot amongst the rings.
Eye ..vs.. Aldor repring
31 sta.... 27 sta
60 ap..... 38 ap
0 agi..... 18 agi
So trading 4 sta and 4 Ap for ~0.45% crit
Or Eye vs Ring of Umbral doom (botanica)
31 sta ... 18 sta
60 AP .... 40 AP
0 crit ... 20 crit
So 13 sta and 20 AP for ~0.96% Crit
Eye vs common blue ring
31 sta.. 0 sta
60 ap... 50
0 agi... 15
0 hit... 10
See what i'm getting at?
I have The Ring of Ghoulish Delight, which is identical to the stalker's eye. It just sits in my bag for PvPing. For raiding purposes, Pathfinders band will benefit you a bit more, and it's an entry-level blue World Drop.
I would take the Aldor repring over the ring of ghoulish delight or Eye even for PvP.
trading 40hp and 4 AP for 0.45% crit and 0.72% dodge (for what its worth) is reason enough for me to leave the eye for what it is.
The BG rings are (naturally) also better for PvP and even the ring from the sprit shards is better in my opinion.
(6 sta and 16 AP for 11 res, 16 crit and 10 hitrating)
trading 40hp and 4 AP for 0.45% crit and 0.72% dodge (for what its worth) is reason enough for me to leave the eye for what it is.
The BG rings are (naturally) also better for PvP and even the ring from the sprit shards is better in my opinion.
(6 sta and 16 AP for 11 res, 16 crit and 10 hitrating)
I was looking at Petopia last night and noticed a new rank of Furious Howl taught by the Den Mother in Blade's Edge Mountains. (can't remember the mob's name, but she's called the Den mother)
Bigdaddyjug wrote:
I was looking at Petopia last night and noticed a new rank of Furious Howl taught by the Den Mother in Blade's Edge Mountains. (can't remember the mob's name, but she's called the Den mother)
(and its Rema i think)
Aethien wrote:
Kompera wrote:
Eye of the Stalker from H Underbog deserves a spot amongst the rings.
Eye ..vs.. Aldor repring
Eye vs Ring of Umbral doom (botanica)
Eye vs common blue ring
Edited, Dec 30th 2007 1:50am by Kompera
The problem is that that epic ring is harder to obtain then 2 better blue rings combined...
Coif: --- Stalker:
Agi 49 - 55
AP 34 -- 60
Sta 25 - 12
Int 18 -- 8
hit 0 --- 0
crit 0 --- 0
mp5 7 -- 4
critdmg+3% +0%
both gemmed with +8 agi gems.
So from Stalker to coif is -6 agi, - 26 ap, +13 sta, +10 int, +3mp5 and +3% critdmg.
Without the critdmg i'd agree that the stalker is better but the +critdmg gives a lot of extra dps.
at 20% crit: 0.2 x 3 = 0.6% extra dps
at 25% crit: 0.25 x 0.3 = 0.75% extra dps
at 30% crit: 0.3 x 0.3 = 0.9% extra dps
Assuming that any blue geared hunter has about 20-25% crit the meta gem gives ~0.67% extra dps on average thats equal to what ~14 critrating would give you in dps. and it scales better with gear too.
And i'd say without a single doubt that +0.67% dps, 13 sta, 10 int and 3mp5 is better then 6 agi and 26 ap.
Kompera wrote:
Earthwarden's Coif is a poor option if you've got a Stalker's Helmet of Second Sight, but I see plenty of Hunters wearing the Coif, presumably drawn by the lure of that Meta gem slot.
Coif: --- Stalker:
Agi 49 - 55
AP 34 -- 60
Sta 25 - 12
Int 18 -- 8
hit 0 --- 0
crit 0 --- 0
mp5 7 -- 4
critdmg+3% +0%
both gemmed with +8 agi gems.
So from Stalker to coif is -6 agi, - 26 ap, +13 sta, +10 int, +3mp5 and +3% critdmg.
Without the critdmg i'd agree that the stalker is better but the +critdmg gives a lot of extra dps.
at 20% crit: 0.2 x 3 = 0.6% extra dps
at 25% crit: 0.25 x 0.3 = 0.75% extra dps
at 30% crit: 0.3 x 0.3 = 0.9% extra dps
Assuming that any blue geared hunter has about 20-25% crit the meta gem gives ~0.67% extra dps on average thats equal to what ~14 critrating would give you in dps. and it scales better with gear too.
And i'd say without a single doubt that +0.67% dps, 13 sta, 10 int and 3mp5 is better then 6 agi and 26 ap.
Aethien wrote:
The problem is that that epic ring is harder to obtain then 2 better blue rings combined...
Axe of the gronn lords is on average equally hard as Legacy to get, legacy is better.
Eye is on average a lot harder to get then a blue ring that is better, even then 2 blue rings that are both better.
So why would you ever try to get it for PvE if there are better and easier to obtain options?
Eye is on average a lot harder to get then a blue ring that is better, even then 2 blue rings that are both better.
So why would you ever try to get it for PvE if there are better and easier to obtain options?
Aethien wrote:
Axe of the gronn lords is on average equally hard as Legacy to get, legacy is better.
Eye is on average a lot harder to get then a blue ring that is better, even then 2 blue rings that are both better.
So why would you ever try to get it for PvE if there are better and easier to obtain options?
Eye is on average a lot harder to get then a blue ring that is better, even then 2 blue rings that are both better.
So why would you ever try to get it for PvE if there are better and easier to obtain options?
I thought I'd already explained this. I'll try again. Not every player will get the "easier to get" drops. Because, as you said in your post, it's based on averages. A player can be unlucky and fail to get any of the "easier to get" dropped rings, and can run one Heroic Underbog and get Eye of the Stalker.
but that doesnt make it a good ring, its still a sucky ring.
Thus why i am thinking of kicking it out.
There are just to many better and easier options for it to deserve a place.
edit: there are rep and questrings equal to it, so there isnt much luck involved in those either.
Edited, Jan 6th 2008 12:15pm by Aethien
Thus why i am thinking of kicking it out.
There are just to many better and easier options for it to deserve a place.
edit: there are rep and questrings equal to it, so there isnt much luck involved in those either.
Edited, Jan 6th 2008 12:15pm by Aethien
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