Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

Pre Raid Gear, tips and tricks.Follow

#102 Oct 23 2007 at 7:14 AM Rating: Decent
Aethien wrote:
150 x 1.15 = 172.5 agi.
172.5 x 0.25 = 43.125 AP extra on Expose Weakness.
Using it at the start of combat thus gives all your physical damage dealing raidmembers 43 extra attack power for the duration of the fight.

So for SV hunters in 25-man raids its pretty damn good.
else, not so much.


I think it is pretty damn crap.
As a stronger Expose Weakness Debuff overwrites a weaker one (hence it does not make sense to have more than one survival hunter in your raid), I don't believe the extra 172.5agi or 43.125ap would carry over. Expose weakness is not a Dot where the first tick determines how much damage the next ticks will do. It is a debuff which is applied whenever you crit (ok, 33%/67%/100%). Thus as soon as the 15seconds are done, your expose weakness will lose those 43 attack power again.
It might be useful to use that trinket in a melee heavy raid, but I also like my trinkets to have some passive stats. Those > 300 armor won't do it for my hunter (but my feral druid is really happy to have this beauty).

Edit: Oh claimed page 3 :-) and who of you guys rated me a sage? double wohaa

Edited, Oct 23rd 2007 5:16pm by Mulgrin
#103 Oct 23 2007 at 9:22 AM Rating: Excellent
******
27,272 posts
I dont know, i guessed that the 43 ap extra would carry over.
Without that, i agree its pretty rubbish.
With that, its still rubbish unless you are in 25-mans and a SV hunter =P

And you can switch out trinkets during combat, so you can make a macro that uses the trinket and then swaps it out for some other trinket =P
#104 Oct 23 2007 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
NorthAI the Hand wrote:
ArchnMez wrote:
Bumpage,,

ps: soz guys, just like seeing this at the top.
Bumping posts is a good way to **** off alot of posters, no matter the quality of the post. Especially if you don't contribute to it. Refrain from this in the future.


That's one. Two earns you a first clas one way ticket to the dungeon...
#105 Oct 28 2007 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
***
1,519 posts
What do you guys think about the non-set PvP epics? I know that right up at the top of the main post, it says to avoid them since they're not optimal, but they're a bit better than some of the other items listed, and they're relatively easy to obtain, since you're guaranteed to get them if you keep up with BGs, whereas with some of the other pieces, you could run a dungeon a dozen times and never get them.
#106 Oct 28 2007 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
ProjectMidnight wrote:
What do you guys think about the non-set PvP epics? I know that right up at the top of the main post, it says to avoid them since they're not optimal, but they're a bit better than some of the other items listed, and they're relatively easy to obtain, since you're guaranteed to get them if you keep up with BGs, whereas with some of the other pieces, you could run a dungeon a dozen times and never get them.


I really like the PvP belt. Stats are slightly better than this Karazhan belt. The bracers and boots are good, but far from perfect (you'll replace those in Karazhan).
#107 Oct 29 2007 at 7:37 AM Rating: Excellent
******
27,272 posts
A said, they arent bad at all.
Note on top is simply a warning so people dont go Raiding in full pvp outfits and go OoM after ~30 seconds.
Because every single piece of PvP gear has comparitively low intellect, using many kills your mana pool.

Besides that, as soon as i go play my hunter again i'll be in BG's to get the S1 X-bow and the PvP belt along with a bunch of epic gems.
#108 Nov 04 2007 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
**
438 posts
Bump.


Will this get stickied at some point?
#109 Nov 04 2007 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
***
2,388 posts
I would vote for that.

I would also jump for the stickies being locked and a seperate sticky put up for suggestions to the stickies to keep from having the stickies get cluttered.
#110 Nov 05 2007 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
**
271 posts
Bump.
I hope no one yells at me but I wanted to print this out when I get home and didn't wanna hafta search.

/squints
#111 Nov 05 2007 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
***
2,388 posts
Quote:
/squints

>.<


I forgot my glasses at home today, so I am having a massive headache from holding my head 1ft away from the monitors in order to see wtf I am doing...
#112 Nov 05 2007 at 9:26 PM Rating: Excellent
******
27,272 posts
Caldone the Shady wrote:
Quote:
/squints

>.<


I forgot my glasses at home today, so I am having a massive headache from holding my head 1ft away from the monitors in order to see wtf I am doing...
Feel the burn!







(feeling your pain, walking around with a massive headache myself...... /sigh and my day hasnt even really begun yet)
#113 Nov 11 2007 at 3:10 AM Rating: Decent
***
1,519 posts
a useful macro to add would be

/target name of tank
/cast Misdirection

Of course, actually change "name of tank" to the name of the main tank. I find that it is SO much easier to change the macro onces at the beginning of each new group, and just hit the macro- instead of finding the tank on either the party/raid bar or in the group and then casting.

And btw, I just got Hourglass of the Unraveller, and I'm in love with it. It's great for trashmobs because I don't have to wait for a cooldown and remember to hit it. For bossfights I still reequip my bladefist's breadth and use it in conjunction with rapid fire.
#114 Nov 11 2007 at 3:42 AM Rating: Decent
For fivemans that could easily replace the simple Misdirection button on your actionbars, but in a raid you should never remove the Misdirection button entirely. There are many situations where you have several tanks and you have to improvise in the middle of an encounter with Misdirection on someone you might not have thought of beforehand.
#115 Nov 15 2007 at 1:20 AM Rating: Excellent
******
27,272 posts
Minor update, slimmed down the list to remove useless info and updated the scorpid info to post-nerf.

Edit: added the new heroic badge rewards.

As always, if you have any new info/gear/tips/tricks/whatever that needs to be added or you think something in this list doent belong here, please say so.

Edited, Nov 16th 2007 9:27am by Aethien
#116 Nov 15 2007 at 12:00 PM Rating: Default
MAKE THIS A STICKY ALREADY! :D
#117 Nov 16 2007 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
***
2,388 posts
WHOOHOO, it finally got stickied!
#118 Nov 16 2007 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
*
69 posts
Yay for sticky!
#119 Nov 17 2007 at 12:50 AM Rating: Decent
**
415 posts
The 35 Badge Reward Leather bracers are pretty much best bracers a hunter could get pre hyjal. Master Assassins Wristwraps. I get 1.69% to crit with bracers alone. Which is amazing. Not too mention 91RAP.

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=33540&locale=enUS;source=live

I have them gemmed and enchanted in my armory.



Edited, Nov 17th 2007 3:53am by Elustriel
#120 Nov 18 2007 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
******
27,272 posts
Elustriel wrote:
The 35 Badge Reward Leather bracers are pretty much best bracers a hunter could get pre hyjal. Master Assassins Wristwraps. I get 1.69% to crit with bracers alone. Which is amazing. Not too mention 91RAP.

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=33540&locale=enUS;source=live

I have them gemmed and enchanted in my armory.
but you dont get any mana from them.
So i'm positive there are better ones out there (most likely any bracers in SSC/TK)
And ofcourse these but i dont know if you can really count them to be pre-hyjal ;P

(second equip is +27 haste rating)
67 AP, 0.5% crit, 1.7% haste, 150 hp and 240 mp..... i'd say thats pretty damn good, even if they cost as much as an epic flying mount =P


edit: i almost forgot, yay sticky (cost me 30+ minutes before i noticed it was stickied....)

Edited, Nov 19th 2007 8:40am by Aethien
#121 Nov 19 2007 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
**
415 posts
Thing is about "int" sacrificing some of it is no big deal when you get such a nice dps up and I frankly have 0 issues with mana anywhere but long raid fights where I drink mana pots anyway and have no issues at all with Hawk always up.

That bracer you linked is not even in the same league compared to the leather one. Well maybe its reversed in the price department from what you have said; since 35 badges are a lot easier to get than 5k gold.

Your bracer 21agil is 0.52 to crit vs 1.69% for leather one. a huge up, wouldn't ya agree? int doesn't directly contribute to your dps. As for haste rating, don't really need it as BM, unless you are using a slow weapon and trying to bring it down, but that haste rating takes away from item budget, things like crit, atk. So you are essentially sacrificing something for that haste. Just so you understand I am speaking from BM perspective only.



Edited, Nov 19th 2007 12:16pm by Elustriel
#122 Nov 20 2007 at 12:06 AM Rating: Good
******
27,272 posts
dont misunderstand me, i agree with being able to give up a bit of int for more ap and crit.
just as long as you dont go walking around in full leather gear with hardly any mana.
Because that will kill your dps rather quick.
#123 Nov 20 2007 at 12:28 AM Rating: Good
Compare those two: [wowitem=33540]35 badges leather bracers[/wowitem] and [wowitem=33529]35 badges mail item[/wowitem].

You don't have to do Hyjal / BT to get equally good mail bracers, the same guy who sells this leather stuff also has very nice mail bracers.

When choosing the leather bracers over the mail ones you buy 28 crit rating (assuming a 8crit rating socket) and 1 stamina at the cost of 1agi, 105armor penetration and 19int.

I see both bracers as equally good for PvE and the mail ones as slightly better for PvP.
Armor penetration is a nice thing and the more you get of this, the better it'll get (yay for S3 gladiator gear *g*).
#124 Nov 20 2007 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
**
415 posts
Aethien wrote:
dont misunderstand me, i agree with being able to give up a bit of int for more ap and crit.
just as long as you dont go walking around in full leather gear with hardly any mana.
Because that will kill your dps rather quick.


Of course, I agree, I just made an exception with one piece.

Mulgrin wrote:
Compare those two: [wowitem=33540]35 badges leather bracers[/wowitem] and [wowitem=33529]35 badges mail item[/wowitem].

You don't have to do Hyjal / BT to get equally good mail bracers, the same guy who sells this leather stuff also has very nice mail bracers.

When choosing the leather bracers over the mail ones you buy 28 crit rating (assuming a 8crit rating socket) and 1 stamina at the cost of 1agi, 105armor penetration and 19int.

I see both bracers as equally good for PvE and the mail ones as slightly better for PvP.
Armor penetration is a nice thing and the more you get of this, the better it'll get (yay for S3 gladiator gear *g*).


I went with Leather because to really see armor penetration work well, you need to stack armor penetration pieces, which I don't have and sidegrading or downgrading from the gear I already have for questionable improvement is dubious at best for huge amount of badges you need to spend. So the more armor pen' you have the better. I am not buying into armor penetration thing yet. Oh and according to Elitists jerks around 110 armor pen' is equivalent to 20attack power. My choice wasn't hard.

Edited, Nov 20th 2007 1:46pm by Elustriel
#125 Nov 30 2007 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
This would be a definite add to the list: Vengeful Gladiator's Waraxe

Especially since it only costs 1000 Arena Points with no Rating Pre-Req.

Edited, Nov 30th 2007 4:02pm by dbernor
#126 Dec 03 2007 at 2:57 AM Rating: Decent
******
27,272 posts
What the hell, neat axe......



I'll add it in the next update.
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 123 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (123)