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Sigh...Race shouldn't matterFollow

#1 Jun 07 2007 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
When I started playing years ago, it was always "whichever race looks best to you" or "the one you want to look at for the next several months." I just decided to pick back up on my 40 human priest after playing my main hunter for over a year, and everyone keeps telling me "why'd you roll a human priest" and I can't stand it. I started it pre-BC, and even still its "why aren't you a dwarf or draenei".

It's really discouraging me from playing the class at all, Fear Ward isn't THAT important, is it? I'm not going to regret it at 70 right? Just afraid of being put on the side for raids for a priest with fear ward. My human is only level 42, so it wouldnt be that bad rerolling, but now I'm thinking, if I'm gonna reroll, I'll reroll paladin because I just don't feel like leveling priest to 40 a second time. I wouldn't think race matters with pally really... but still... If Fear Ward was that important, it would be trainer taught.

I guess im just ranting a bit, but have any of you guys been forced to sit out for a priest with fear ward, or do any of you with it feel it is really that big? I am just tired of hearing things like that from friends and random people I don't even know, sigh now i'm afraid to make a pally because of the chance to find out at 40+ that I shouldn't have picked then race I did.

Edited, Jun 7th 2007 2:56pm by Boyiee
#2 Jun 07 2007 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
fear ward is crucial against some enemies in later levels especially bosses (such as nightbane), although im not going to roll dwarf or drenaei JUST TO GET FEAR WARD. i know its a better skill than our useless desperate prayer (that we canNOT use in shadowform), but i liked choosing human, and im staying that way :P
#3 Jun 07 2007 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
Racial Spells:
Priests get two additional spells according to their race, first at level 10 and then at level 20.



Consume Magic: 20 Blood Elf Dispels one beneficial Magic effect from the caster and gives them 120 to 154 mana. (453 to 488 mana at level 70). Instant cast, 2 minute cooldown.

500 ish free mana every 2 min = nice (its small but since its a instance ability it cant hurt) (500 mp / 2 mins)



Fear wards looks like a great ability, esp. for alliance since they cant have undeads tank or OT.




Symbol of Hope: Greatly increase the morale of the party members. Gives them up to 99 mana (based on the level of the casting priest) every 5 secs for 15 secs. 5 min cooldown. (1000 mp to group / 5 mins)

wow... this one is great, Draenei ability (they have fear ward too), throw in their +1% spell hit / melee hit aura, and their HoT and I can easily see why people think their the best race for a priest.
#4 Jun 07 2007 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Fearward is unnecesary, allaince has shamans with tremor totem now and tanks never really needed fear ward bc they can stance dance, Horde has done that for years :P (undead's WotF has 2 min CD, not really suitable for tanking)
Fearward is a bit, outdated.

Youll be very glad you picked human at 70 for the rep boost ;)
#5 Jun 07 2007 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
Yeah my hunter was exaulted and revered with a ton of places and i remember how long it took (night elf lol) - Just annoying for people to put down a class, let alone a healer for something as lame as that. It really was discouraging.
#6 Jun 07 2007 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Just annoying for people to put down a class, let alone a healer for something as lame as that.


People who say that dont know wtf theyre talking about and probably never even have seen a raid dungeon from the inside.

I know most Allaince guilds always used stance dancing with bosses that fear in raids also bc it was more reliable. It doesnt require a priest casting fear ward in between heals.

Allaince has fearward to offset WotF in PvP, thats it.

Edited, Jun 8th 2007 9:12am by Sjans
#7 Jun 07 2007 at 11:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Just annoying for people to put down a class, let alone a healer for something as lame as that. It really was discouraging.


Simple solution - don't be their healer if they are short of one. Come on, there are so many healers out there that don't have fear ward, and hey, it doesn't really matter all that much as long as they are capable healers. The only thing that matters is how skilled you are at playing your character.

My friend has a lvl 45 human priest and has never had any complaint about it being human. Now, he does get a lot of people thinking he's stupid because he happens to be levelling it with holy spec - but put him in an instance and noone is complaining! :D

Fact is, there are always going to be people there who think they know how to play your class better than you. You just have to prove them wrong.

And if they don't get the point, /ignore.
#8 Jun 08 2007 at 3:22 AM Rating: Decent
thats true...

personally if I had to pick id go bloodelf though. (they have it abit easier with mana)

they have "Consume Magic" and "Manatap" both give about 500 mana / 2 mins. (thats 1000 mana / 2 mins) just from those two abilities.
#9 Jun 08 2007 at 3:46 AM Rating: Good
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lol @ anyone who thinks fear ward is needed before 60...
#10 Jun 08 2007 at 3:56 AM Rating: Good
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My guild has 0 dwarf and draenei priests and we do just fine. If I was rolling a new priest from scratch, yes I would pick draenei. However, I made my priest pre-BC and didn't want to make another dwarf (I had one, a hunter, already) and the rep bonus is awesome. Play what you like, if you're a good healer no one will care what race you are.
#11 Jun 08 2007 at 4:32 AM Rating: Decent
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JoJoMeXi wrote:
fear ward is crucial against some enemies in later levels especially bosses (such as nightbane), although im not going to roll dwarf or drenaei JUST TO GET FEAR WARD. i know its a better skill than our useless desperate prayer (that we canNOT use in shadowform), but i liked choosing human, and im staying that way :P


Note that Fear ward is a holy spell.. so can't use in shadowform either!

Dwarves racial skill for a shadowpriest are a pain! =)
#12 Jun 08 2007 at 4:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Fearward is absurdly good. Just absurdly good. It can really make up for bad tanks and irregular fears (stance dance is bad with fears that aren't on very set timers). Blizzard has hinted they'll fix the horrible situation with racials for priests, but they haven't for years, so... whatever.

Anyway, people need healers, so don't reroll just because.
#13 Jun 08 2007 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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lol @ anyone who thinks fear ward is needed before 60...


kinda obvious that it's not, in fact I was referring to heroics/10man/25mans. Other guild priests who happen to be dwarf or draenei are the people I was talking about, and not for shadow, for healing. For dps its a different story; thought that was kinda obvious.
#14 Jun 08 2007 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
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Horde gets by fine without fear ward, so it's certainly not crucial for anything. At best it's a useful bonus for some fights~ Sure some people use it as a crutch, but that says more about the player rather then the ability.
#15 Jun 09 2007 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
Fear Ward is a killer ability, but definitely not neccessary for every Priest. Your Perception ability isn't as good, but makes up for your lack of Fear Ward somewhat.

But in my opinion, Dwarf Priests own Draenei by far, Stoneform makes those Rogues, and Hunters very significantly easier, and I don't really like the 1.5 second cast on Gift of Naruu because you might as well use Flash Heal.
#16 Jun 27 2007 at 5:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Note that none of the horde side priests has fear ward to be cast on tank, and horde raided just as easily, still does. Sure, fear ward can be lovely tool at times. But if you're good and your tanks acceptable, it's not a must.Just enjoy playing what you like.
#17 Jun 27 2007 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Lol at people who think they need fear ward. Ever. It's a crutch for your tanks, and not having it makes them better. As far as I know, there's always a warning in raids before a fear goes off. Force your tanks to stance dance, their reaction time goes up :P Stance dancing = win.
Of course, in PvP fearward is great.

Draenei and BE priests are insane. As PvE shadow, I'd kill for either of their combined racials - the +hit aura and group regen, or two forms of self-regen. I think those racials were basically them telling all priests "we don't care at all how balanced the racials are."
#18 Jun 27 2007 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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lsfreak wrote:
Force your tanks to stance dance, their reaction time goes up :P Stance dancing = win.


Unless they're, ya know, feral druids or paladins...

#19 Jun 27 2007 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
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>.> Right. How'd I forget that? >.<
#20 Jun 27 2007 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
In my Shaman's Guild, no one really cares about Fear Ward. We lack priests, I think we have one Human and one Dwarf priest at the moment (one for each Karazhan group), and I'll be in the second group with my Nightelf priest whenever a Shaman just lacks some sort of ability (Shackle, eh?) as soon as she's ready. So nope, race doesn't matter that much. And for Nightbane I'll be switching to my Shaman again until we can down him easily (which is quite far in the future).


Note: I've been there for the first time yesterday, so it's maybe somewhat weird to plan it out like that. But meh, I want to do it with both, so I can as well do it in the same group.
#21 Jun 28 2007 at 6:07 AM Rating: Default
i have a dwarf priest.

is fear ward absolutely necessary? no

does fear ward help? yes.

is fear ward a crutch? not necessarily. berserker rage has 30 secs cooldown and there are fights where fear occurs more than once in 30 secs.

without fear ward, shaman's tremor totem helps. but the problem is you have to wait for it to pulse to remove the fear effect.

above mentioned, if you are a good healer, any guild wants you regardless of race.

#22 Jun 28 2007 at 6:20 AM Rating: Decent
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and there are fights where fear occurs more than once in 30 secs.


Such as?

Oh, none!
#23 Jun 29 2007 at 5:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Such as?

Oh, none!


Ever dueled a Warlock?

(I know, that wasn't funny.)
#24 Jun 29 2007 at 6:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Ever dueled a Warlock?


one good answer.
#25 Jul 10 2007 at 8:14 AM Rating: Decent
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For PVE, I highly doubt you will EVER get cast aside as any priest simply due to racial. Yes, others might have a slight advantage, but there seems to be such a shortage of tanks and healers that you will no doubt be extremely welcome in many guilds, if not your own. Definately continue to 70, theres no sense rerolling from 1-42 just for fear ward.



edit - We just downed gruuls as a guild, and have 2 groups clearing kara. Or 2nd group (my group) only lacks Nightbane as a kill, and we were close last night. I'm fairly new to the guild, I dont know group 1 enough, but I believe 2 of our absolute top priests are night elves -- arguably the worst priest racials. However they are great healers, and extremely valuable in all our raids. I know at least one of them has cleared everything in group 1, and only moved to group 2 since theres no more kara upgrades for him, and he just wants to help the guild move forward (so he's helping our 2nd group, and now we're putting kara on farm).

So seriously -- dont worry about race. Humans are at least better then night elves, but we have some amazing night elf priests. Dranei have some nice racials, probably the 'ideal' PVE priests right now, but there would be a big shortage of them anyways. When the expansion hit, many people rerolled the new races, only a small percentage got to 70, a smaller percentage got past 70 and geared up nicely, and an even smaller percentage would have actually rolled a priest.

Edited, Jul 10th 2007 12:19pm by mikelolol
#26 Jul 10 2007 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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Sjans wrote:
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and there are fights where fear occurs more than once in 30 secs.


Such as?

Oh, none!


Sorta depends on your group make-up too. Not enough CC (or resisted CC)? Multiple mobs that fear? That's likely to = a fear more often than every 30 seconds.

Coilfang instances come to mind. 2 sirens up in SV? Oh yeah, you're gettin feared hard. Multiple rays not CC'd in Underbog? God I hate those things, the run in packs and yeah - 3 rays un'CCd (or resisting CC) are likely to toss a fear around quite liberally.
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