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I think that in the future when you have it in final draft form there should definetly be a guide added to low level AoE grinding and high level AoE grinding (I'm assuming they defer.)

*AoE Grinding Talent Spec, Click Here*


My basic pull:

• Mana Shield (at 40 I'll use ice barrier)
• Pull, run around, wand, etc. Pick a spot to pull to before hand, so the pull goes as perfect as possible.
• Start to cast Frost Nova. Here comes the critical choice moment. If one of the mobs resists, you need to choose if you want to cast cold snap, and try Frost Nova again, or if you want to run. You also need to either strafe away (don't back up) or blink away.
• Cast Blizzard, hopefully so they walk through that Blizzard for the whole time, taking maximum damage. Cast Blizzard again, in between you and the incoming mobs. Once they get to you, determine the general health.
• If their health is low, cast Frost Nova, and then cast Cone of Cold. Arcane Explosion can then help you finish off stragglers.
• If their health is medium, cast Frost Nova, strafe or Blink and repeat the Blizzard process.
• If something goes wrong, Frost Nova (cold snap if you need to), then cast Blink, and finally cast Mana Shield.

Below is why I chose the talents I chose:
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Improved Frost Bolt 5/5 - This is to improve my single mob take down, and can be useful when finishing off stragglers, although I find wanding or fireblast to be much easier.

Improved Frost Nova 2/2 - That reduced cool down can and will save your life; furthermore, it allows access to shatter.

Improved Blizzard 3/3 - That lowered speed is great, and the DPS is wonderful.

Cold Snap 1/1 - Cold Snap is great as a life saving tool, or in case a mob resists your frost nova on the original pull.

Ice Shards 5/5 - Ice shards is great, and helps on single pulls especially.

Piercing Ice 3/3 - Helpful for single pulls and AoE pulls. The added damage is great.

Arctic Reach 2/2 - Just an awesome range, to help make your pulls more efficient, and keep you at a longer distance away.

Shatter 5/5 - Once the mobs reach you, this makes it so Frost Nova + Cone of Cold will kill almost anything

Frost Channeling 3/3 - Nice to save some mana in case of an emergency.

Ice Block 1/1 - Great for emergencies and pulling (bunching the mobs).

Ice Floes 2/2 - Well who doesn't love a reduce on the cool done on a life saver, and a great spell?

Ice Barrier 1/1 - Better than the Mana Shield...

Empowered Frost Bolt 5/5 - Just for a better single mob grinding.

Summon Water Elemental 1/1 - Great for helping you out in a tricky pull, etc..

Arcane Focus 5/5 - Better Arcane Explosion (less resists)

Arcane Subtlety 2/2 - Again, better Arcane Explosion (less resists)

Wand Specialization 1/2 - Just helps you pull stragglers, and I had an extra point.

Arcane Concentration 5/5 - Who doesn't love being more mana efficient?

Arcane Impact 3/3 - Just do more damage period.
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If you have any comments or suggestions about my AoE mini guide, please feel free to tell me.
Also, Baron von Filterspawn, I'm not sure if you want to use this or not--but feel free to--if you want.


Edited, Apr 1st 2007 11:03pm by Enigmen

Edited, Apr 1st 2007 11:08pm by Enigmen

For me arcane points for an AOE spec are mute. If you would AOE grind i would put all points in forst, personally i dont use AE in AOE grinding, not once.

And again, improved arcane missle is a must have for PvP, cant count the number of shadow priest, warlocks and pala's that i spammed to death with that spell.

Yours stack, but don't refresh the timer on the old ones.

My answer was an over simplification. Say you crit for 1k(simplified math ftw). You'll get 400 ignite damage over 2 ticks.

You get a second crit after the first tick of 200, also for 1000. In the old system, you'd get 2 ticks of 400. In the new system, you get 2 ticks of 300. Say you crit again after another tick, also 1k. Under the old system, you'd get 2 ticks of 600. But now, you'd get 2 ticks of 350.

If you add it all up, you get 100% of the ignite damage you're due, but it doesn't grow to extremes like it used to by refreshing the initial DoT completely..

Shameless bump because it is a great post.

I think there is a dire need for some order, echou's compilation could be stickied so we can track all the nice guides here.

geez why waste good time to make that let me guess sever down anyway i only read the beggening so if u arent even talking bout that anymore i wont either........................... nice weather we've been having, see i can be cool or can I? no i cant CHEESY POOFS RULE

to be blunt, you don't get free damage anymore =P

i think they're just clarifying that it doesn't work on, say, your elemental's spells or grenades or anything like that. i mean, it wouldn't really make much sense otherwise =P

just a thought: Does "Conjure water" count as a mage spell? dunno why you would use PoM for it, but maybe they wrote "mage spell" in the tooltip to clarify that all your spells could consume the effect. Not specced arcane, so can't test.

the talent in itself is not bad, it's a very talent as far as talents go. ignoring any comparisons of the spell to other spells for the sake of making a point...

arcane missiles rank 11: 785 mana for 5 pulses of 280 (1400 total damage)

6% of 785 is 47.1 mana?

around level 60, you should have around 300 +dmg, but at level 70 (for rank 11) let's just assume you're puttering around with +600dmg. 45% of 600 is 270? 47 mana for 270 damage... ain't shabby. there are mages with ~1k spell damage (450+dmg!)

doesn't arcane missiles gain more +dmg than 100% due to its channel time (140 ish%?)? is the effect of this talent before, or after the +dmg coefficient?

Well, according to Wowwiki...


This means that arcane missiles get 171% of spell damage.... hmmm.

The numbers are indeed something like that, but they're still not that great in DPS and pretty poor DPM.

Not to mention that they lose DPM like mad the second a fight becomes mobile.

Really, their only major advantage is the Arcane advantage of less threat, which becomes a much smaller advantage when you enter a raid with endurance fights and Blessing of Salvation.

Actually, the 1.71 is correct after the Empowered arcane missiles talent(once you factor both the cast time coefficient and the Empowered coefficient, I believe it's really close to 1.71.