Updated Rogue Guide [01/15/07]Follow

Hello, I am a new Rouge. I am just starting out and have a few questions about our class. I wanted to ask here for the chance that a well explained answer might be given. Since this is such a well made guide.

First off, in a PvP setting. What other classes should a stealthed Rouge keep an eye out for? I know Hunter's have Stealth Track, and Warlocks have a Paranoia spell. But are there any other classes to worry about detecting me as I sneak? What are there limits? How well can Hunter's and Locks track me? Can I make my stealth so strong no one can see me ever?

Second, how does the Stealth ability work? I use the ability in PvP or outside, and am detected if I walk in front of a mob or anywhere around the other Faction. They seem to see me right away. Like I was running around naked danceing. Does my LvL matter? What about Master of Deception talents? I was hoping to sneak around more effectivly as Rouge, but I am discovered quickly. Also how long does the Stealth effect need to kick in? Like how many seconds do I need till I am completely hidden and fade into the shadows?

Third has to deal with Talant builds for One hit kills. Is it possible for me to sneak up behind a heavy armored class. Like Warrior or Pally. With out them knowing I am there, and drop them with one hit or a few, in a matter of seconds with out them being able to counter my attacks? Does anyone recommend a certain talent build for this? Any tips would be great for my path choice.

Forth is about Races. How does a Night Elf's Shadowmeld effect a rouge? I didn't understand how it enhanced stealth. Since it cancels stealth out, and vice versa. Also, How effective is an Orc's Blood fury? Is it difficult to cast before a sneaked attack, if I am trying to remain as unseen as possible?

Basicly, I am looking to build a Rouge that can sneak around very well. Bring down mobs in seconds, and stay alive long enough to help in BGs. I have built a Night Elf, Orc, and Undead Rouge so far. To test the waters first. But am having trouble deciding with racial abilities will benifit my wants later down the road. Thank you to all who offer help.


Some info. about me.

Night Elf Rouge Level 16

Orc Rouge Level 11

Undead Rouge Level 11.

None with much talant points so they are in Malice, and Master of Deception. TO help in BGs once I hit 19. I can respec as needed.



ps, Is there a need for the lvl 10 rouge quest or just a dagger/want?


Thanks again,
Thy


Pss, What Races are you?

Near as I can tell (and I am still just a noob Rog) you CANNOT pickpocket friendly targets.

Are you planning on adding a section for Rouge Addons for effeciancy on leveling?
It would be very helpful to me,because as of now i really only have general mods,but here's a few i think are great for any class,not just rogues:
Titan Panel - Great for showing your XP/Hour;Current Coordinates;Bagslots used/totsl;Money(w/out having to open bags);andit shows the time in the top right corner.

Mobinfo2 - Great forlooking back on a mob you've already fought,expecially if a freind asks you "How much XP does this elite have?" simply type /mi2,click search database,type in monster name,check elite,and wah-la!
These are just my opinion on good mods

Yeah, there are a lot of things I need to add, but I just don't have the time right now. I was very sick for about a week and missed two of my midterms and one programming assignment, so I spent the last two weeks making those up, and now I've got my current work to catch up on that I had to neglect to do my makeup.

I'll get to it when I get a chance, thanks for the suggestions. Keep 'em coming.

Dammit, wanted to post in the lockpicking thread, dunno how I did it wrong. My apologies.

nostra

Edited, Apr 11th 2007 4:12pm by nostraaa

The one-shot build really isn't viable until you have access to virtually all the talents and a very strong dagger. The key to it is stacking damage bonuses and the attack power/agility bonuses deep in the Subtlety tree.

Grinding, by the way, is the process of killing lots of stuff to get experience. After about level 40 or so, questing starts to become worse and worse for experience gain. There are notable exceptions, and any quest that requires you kill some amount of mobs, or collect a low drop rate item, is a very good quest (frustrating, but good experience).

First...amazing Guide but i have a small thing to add.
IF you decide to make a Shadowstep Build (Here its Called ZOMG!! Build :D ) You should think about taking an Orc cause Blood Fury will give you at Lvl 70 ca 270ATK Power which means roughly around 200+ more on your Ambushes. Also the Stun Resist is very very nice.

Just wanted to add that.

Updated the guide a bit, and added some level 70 builds. I don't have time to do anything else at the moment, but I'll try to get this thing back up to date soon. Finals are this week and next week, so I have been, and will continue to be, rather busy.

Thank you! Your Guide helped a little about what other items I should get. I knew of most for my twink but this helped me fill in the blanks. So thank you for taking the time to post this.

Is it possible to have a Combat Daggers build to rival Combat Swords?

I was thinking since with all that crit and blade flurry...Daggers could do some damage...

please clarify?

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Increased stealth, huge AP bonus, large increase in attack speed, Perception to find other Rogues, breaking snaring effects, all of these things are better than dropping bleeds every 3 minutes. It's a nice ability, but I still say it's the weakest.


Combat daggers is the number 1 raiding build. It's pretty awful at everything else. The worlds worst CP generation combined with having to be behind your target make the build terrible for leveling, and worse for PvP. Unless somebody's tanking for you, you'll find that you're not doing very much damage at all.

Really? Lol. Let me check.

Edit: Wow, I must have been drunk or really tired when I put that one together. Thanks for pointing it out. Adding you to the thanks section.

Edited, May 24th 2007 11:26am by Nooblestick