Before asking "is my build good" read this. (Shaman edition)Follow

I'm wondering; did anyone here actually get this talent before they /pissed on it, or are you all just blowing smoke?

This talent, when dual-wielding, means you can spam as many spells as you want within the 30 second period and still come put near full. This means more survival with heals. More shocks and totems.

If you're defending a node with this talent solo, you can switch to a 1.3 dagger and shield and chain heal yourself and hold better than a paladin... discluding Divine Shield of course.

This talent can turn your "inevitable doom" into "immortal triumph", given you've got the skills and gears to support it.

And the one just under it? As long as you keep swingin', look at it as a 10% AP buff to your party... pretty much permanently.

The reason these talents are so far in? Because they're worth it. Discluding Mana Tide, of course...


When the people ding 70, I can imagine choosing Nature's Swiftness over this talent however. I, for one, will stick with the 41-pointer until then.

2 things:


1.Group Pvp

2.1 minute and 30 second cooldown


So... 25% of the time you have a full mana bar? Having good mana on a mana-problematic class is amazing in PvP.

I assume, since you say you tried Enhancement with caster-esque gear, that you never got to truely see the power of Enhancement -or- this talent. With caster gear, you have good mana, enough to last you until you die.

With melee gear? Not so much. You'll barely be above base mana, but you'll be packing crit and AP. With that AP comes your salvation; this talent. By turning into an iron-clad wannabe Warrior, you can use this talent to make up for the flaws of going into a branch of a hybrid. So now you're a damn good melee'r that can throw magic away like it's a ten-pound bag of head lice.

Who needs mana efficiency? You've got your shiny new talent.

Edited, Jan 6th 2007 2:21am by Pifuaa

Pure Dual-Wield PvP build in my perspective:

I went to someone elses' build and copied the link after I change it around ><

This

I debated with myself whether you should take Tidal Focus or Ancestral Healing, but I'm impressed with the armor bonus far less than I'm impressed with saving 3% on some of our spells.

Nature's Guidance lowers the Dual-wield miss-rate even more; you still need a good bit, but it helps alot instead of limiting gear choices.

Ghost Wolf is hit-or-miss. I personally like the ability when the cast time is shortened, but that's my opinion.

EDIT:Linked Wrong Build

Edited, Jan 7th 2007 7:58pm by Pifuaa

I went to someone elses' build and copied the link after I change it around ><

This

I said Nature's Guidance was in my build. The one I linked does not, and outright... kinda sucks. I agree with Stormstrike being required.

This is my build.

Enhancing those totems is so PvE.

Grounding Totem > all totems in PvP

It's looking good man, I haven't been around the forums much lately, I hope to make a comeback after my shaman was banned and all, but now I have a 57 shaman so I'm almost back to my 60ness minus the epic gear T_T

it looks really good so far, and I don't really think in my opinion that we can get a total accurate reading of the 41 point talents as they were to be for the expansion and the gear was optimized for enhancement shaman in the expansion. At least that is for the enhancement tree and probably the elemental tree as well. When we start seeing what gear is good for shaman in the expansion, it actually may change builds around a little bit believe it or not. There may be set bonuses that could allow us to bypass some talent points in one skill or another. So I say that all end game builds as of now, are and should be completely up to the user and that any advice will warrant criticism from other who may not play their shaman the exact way that you do, or the way that your gear handles it. With that said, people posting builds should only be used as building blocks for Burning Crusade talent builds at level 70 etc. as builds will be changing as people level through the expansion.

From what I've heard, the exp needed to level in beta was not as much that is needed to level come release, so this will actually mean we have to not choose a grinding spec as we will probably do more grouping and in the long run choose more group oriented skills.

Personally I see that with the expansion and the new gear, all classes, especially shaman will look at talent points again. And respec a few times.

Glad to be back.

Pifuaa Shamistic Rage is a good talent, but IMO (I am entititled to my own oppinoin)it is not better then Natur's Swiftness or even Elemental Fury for PvP, the new 41s have been made to improve PvE, they can be used in PvP and help, but if your looking at a 41 talent for PvP purposes then Earthen Shield is the best talent by far lol. Shamistic rage by no means is a crappy talent, i enjoyed it quite a bit, shoot in a hakkar fight i ran out of mana and used it to boost it back up and save some lives, but in pvp if i need to use it the only class I think it would actualy help me kill is a priest druid or pally since those are longer fights. But when I PvP i look for clothies mainly, and the only classes that ever gave me trouble where rogues and warriors who seem to like hunting down shaman or any healer for that matter. SR is a great talent i give it 2 thumbs up, but i still dont think its a great PvP talent, if i need mana in a BG it means i am probably dead.

Once I am full HWL (2pieces away) I am deff respecing back into ENH and going atleast 41 points deep for it.

Of course it's not better than NS! You can't reach NS with dual-wield until the expansion, which is the build I posted above.



Windfury procs only help with rage, but everyone's DPS comes out equal from it, therefore not helping threat so much. Rage is important to tanking of course. Unless you've got an idiot Warlock that needs a tank with Windfury to keep up the threat, the whole point of it is raising all melee's DPS.

Mainly, I look at this as a melee-PvP support perspective.

Edited, Jan 10th 2007 9:42pm by Pifuaa

I am going NS in the expansion.

Did you even look at my build?

That's what I was referring to.

This is a great thread and most I agreed with. However, I did not agree with the fact that you should spec a certain way in end game instances becuase of a guild or what other people want. Granted you may want to be found useful in your guild, but you should play how you want, because you are playing for you, not them.

Why cant a Shaman DPS in raids? Why do they have to be healers? If you were smart, you would spec how you want and find a guild that would accept your choices or find a way to be useful in your current guild.

Now dont get me wrong. I think there are many useful insights here that have really helped me out with leveling my alt. Coming from a Lock, things are a little different. However, I think that it is important to note that there is no correct build. I have seen many many people say that a talent is useless or that this choice or that was worthless and that they should've done this.

Many people have asked me what is a good build with a Lock and how I put up my numbers. I tell them that this is how I did it because of my playing style and the reasons as to why. However, I NEVER tell them to put points here or there because it is a good decision. I always say, "Put them where you want. If you want more DOT then go affliction. If you want more DMG in bursts then go Dest. But choose how you want to play."

I love this thread for all the valuable info included, we just need to be careful about how we put some things.


Take care