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hi, im still fairly new to wow, but this has really opened my perspective on my own druid. just wanted to thank the authors for the great work, most appreciated !

I don't think there's a Druid who's read this thread who hasn't benefited somehow. I was L.60 when I read this thread, and it was practically overnight that my performance visibly improved. I'm quite thankful for the thread as well.

So, let me just put it as simply as I can: Thank you.

A minor thing, but nonetheless a thing.

Other than providing them with a second way to stealth, Shadowmeld increases the Night Elven Rogues's level of Stealth slightly, I believe.

Tip of the day: Don't listen to what other people say.

At least, not when it comes from morons. Some people in these forums have good credibility and you can usually trust what they say but don't listen to any and all Mr. Random Joe you meet in-game. Or on the O-boards.

Also, it's important that you make an opinion for yourself. I say go with your planned build and see for yourself if you like it.

For myself, I think ToL form is awesome. I never played it myself but I partied with a few ToL Druids and it was rather impressive. (When they knew how to play, that is) The multiple stacking bonuses you get from the Resto tree are very nice.

Since you are still in the lowish levels I would suggest leveling as Feral and respec Resto only later but it's your call, really. Feral is simply faster but it can be done just the same with Resto.

Don't hesitate to ask for further advices when you get there. :P

Selverein:
Thanks for the advice. :) I completely agree with you about not listening to random people. I learned my lesson when I went to Moonglade to get my bear form and some level 60 guy told me the only way back to Auberdine was to go through Felwood. Fortunately, I'd just come back from exploring all over Nighthaven and I already knew better (I think I got the names of Moonglade and Nighthaven mixed up but you know what I mean).
Anyway, the only reason I give any credence to what I've heard is that it seems like people who don't like ToL are the majority. I've actually spoken to a couple of people that won't party with ToL healers if they have a choice. The few people that do like ToL seem to be the druids that actually play it, so I have to wonder if they're a little biased. My biggest concern is that if I do go that way, I'll have trouble finding groups later on.
That being said, I'm still going to take your advice and go with my original plan. I think ToL will work really well for me and, like you said, I can always respec. I'm gonna stick with resto from now on, though. I'm kind of a slow learner when it comes to video games and I want to make sure I have time to get used to using it before I go wandering into my first raid. :)

Rare Beast:

I don't think I'll have too much of a problem living without Healing Touch; I barely ever use it unless I'm soloing. My usual method is to cast Regrowth on anyone who's health is getting below 70/80%, starting with the tank. If anyone slips much lower than that before I get to them, I do a Rejuvenate before the Regrowth. I then usually go back and do a Rejuvinate on everyone(or Regrowth for those who need it already, which is usually no one). That brings my mana to 1/3-1/2 a bar and I can do another round the same way if I have to(I usually don't). I really only use Healing Touch in emergencies, generally preceded by a Rejuvinate to keep them from dying before I can get the freaking thing off. To be honest, I think that Healing Touch is way too slow and too expensive mana-wise to be effective in an instance, especially if you're the only healer.

You're one of the first people I've talked to that actually like having ToL healers around, although the one other person who did also said they were really great to have around. Unfortunately, not a lot of people in my guild have seen them in action, so they don't have much of an opinion about it.

Thanks again to both of you for the advice, and for getting back to me so fast. I'm sure I'll be back to pester you soon. :P :D Laters!

have druid some CC in kitty form? (like rouge sap or something)

We have cyclone! Which is like some mix of a stun/snare/CC.

Other then that we are boned =(

Hi, this is my first post relating the game itself on the forums. I have been playing WoW for about a month now and my highest charecter is a lvl 29 troll mage. I also have a lvl 26 druid and I have found out after few tries on other classes that I like to do melee dps. So my simple question is: If there were a equally geared and skilled feral druid and rogue, who would do better damage? I don't really much care about tanking, I'll do it if I have to and I will never heal. So which one is better, because that's the one I'll propably then go for. Thank you.


Let the metal flow.

EDIT: Oh, and if once again equally geared and skilled, which one performs better on PvP, because that will be my main focus on higher lvl's I guess. (If I ever reach them, duh.)

Edited, Aug 31st 2007 3:02pm by Metalcommand

Up until Kara/Gruuls I feel we may have a slight advantage. By the end of Gruuls it is probably even. Right through though, it is close enough that player skill makes more of a difference.

We can both DPS well but each class has their own advantage. As ferals, we can tank, buff, battlerez, innervate and heal a bit. Rogues have sap, kick, poisons, evasion & numerous stuns (probably others but my rogue is only level 12 :) )

In PvP a driud will normally beat a rogue because we have bear form, but PvP is very much a game of Rock/Paper/Scissors. Each class has some classes/specs who are easier to beat and some that are harder. There are plenty of times a rogues is better than a druid for a given situation and vice-versa.

In the Sample builds section there are links to a 31/30 Balance/Feral and a 30/31 Feral/Resto build. As these appear to be non-viable for raid or PvP play, or at the very least, superseded by more specialized builds, can they be removed so as not to confuse new players? Yes they are viable in solo play but so is playing as a naked troll. Unless there is a strong possibility of these builds receiving a significant boost in WotLK, I fail to see why they should be included in a thread that is trying to teach druids the basics of their class.

Simple, it is like Rock, Paper, Scissors.

All WoW PvP is like this. Each class is better vs. another class and vice versa. Take mages and locks. Both are high DPS clothies - fairly similar in many ways. Yet a frost mage will kite a warrior around and probably kill the warrior without them getting a hit in. A warlock on the other hand will have trouble with the warrior as the warrior can neutralise the locks fears and the lock can't really kite the warrior like the mage can.

Different abilities affect different classes/specs differently. Not much point rooting a mage, but doing the same to a warrior stops them from doing anything. It's not purely a factor of how much DPS or healing you can do, it is about how effective all your abilities are vs. that particular class or spec.

Congrats, highRfrequenC!
I know I used this post religiously when I first started my druid.