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#277 Feb 27 2007 at 5:16 PM Rating: Decent
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In that case... How much time would it take for the pet to grow but to size?

I tamed a warp stalker at level 65 and leveled it to 70 , unless I compare it with a wild warp stalker I would not know whether it has grown back or not.
#278 Feb 27 2007 at 10:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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It will never return to whatever size it was when tamed. It will become whatever the proper size is for its level. So a level 30 cat is larger than a level 10. By comparison, level 70 pets are quite large, but they are still usually much smaller than beasts of the wild. It doesn't matter if that pet was 70 to begin with or leveled up from the beginning, it will still be that same size.
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#279 Mar 08 2007 at 10:30 PM Rating: Decent
I have been using Strigid Hunter as a pet when it is levl 7 till now level 14 but how come it never learn SCREECH, CLAW, COWER and DIVE? Can any one tell me how can i teach it to learn? It's also not inside my pet training list.

Pls help...

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#280 Mar 09 2007 at 6:43 AM Rating: Decent
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etolynn wrote:
I have been using Strigid Hunter as a pet when it is levl 7 till now level 14 but how come it never learn SCREECH, CLAW, COWER and DIVE? Can any one tell me how can i teach it to learn? It's also not inside my pet training list.

Pls help...

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#281 Mar 27 2007 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
Druids are indead tough to beat, but i did recall killing 2 at the same time in STV lvls 35,34 both in cat form. The amazing part is i managed to kill them without resorting to range at all. I believe that in some cases, f you wish to preserve ammo you can go melee. BTW i was lvl 35 at the time of the duel =)

As i was saying about melee, at low lvls it is extremely useful due to the fact that most people that you fight against seems clueless for about 2 secs when they see a hunter that they have been stalking for the past 10 minutes to suddenly turn around and melee their asses. My talent was in BM so my melee crits were way above my range. My personal high at that time was a 640 at lvl 35 and range-453. If you see the improved wingclip talent in survival, i have that too and spam it till the effect works. Also i enjoy spazzing when i attack them in melee using a firey war axe or duel wielding. I find that if you place a frost trap while accomplishing wingclips, it is extremely helpful. For the most part as the druid in cat form was trying to (desperately i might add) get behind me or just face me to get a good whack at me, i did not allow them to. For most of the battle i was behind them whacking 220s per hit. Mongoose bite is useful when you have a dodge % of 20. I'm basically just stating that druids are NOT hunter killers, more like the other way around.

I am lvl 64 right now and i do own them all the time, only losing to ppl higher than me and overgeared druids.
#282 Apr 08 2007 at 7:16 PM Rating: Decent
thanks, helped alot
#283 Apr 14 2007 at 6:56 AM Rating: Decent
I could also use some help,I;m a full BM hunter,with some points if marksmanship as well.I do mostly groups dungeons/quests/raids with my guild,and I'm not too sure where to put my talent point next. My current build is http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?0520300052501225313510555001000000000000000000000000000000000000



Edited, Apr 14th 2007 3:07pm by ozwwjd
#284 Apr 14 2007 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
ok so far my 2 pets are (ones in the stables) a levle 38 gorilla and a levle 34 snapjaw. And i want a cat but i cant find any high levle ones. So all im asking is if any one knows where a levle 38 shuld get a cat (would like an elite but not needed).






Sry if some one had all ready asked this question (i have a head ach and it hurts when i ready so i just read the summry and hit reply to thread)
#285 Apr 15 2007 at 2:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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ozwwjd, your next talent point? You have them all spent! (With that pet-centric a build, you might want to pick up Go For the Throat, too.)

Zezna, there are cats at that level in Stranglethorn Vale, Swamp of Sorrows, and Alterac Mountains. The Alterac ones might stop at like 35, but the Swamp Jaguars are ~37 and there are higher ones to the east in SoS. Cats are simply everywhere in SV, so you even get your pick between a tiger and a panther.
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#286 Apr 21 2007 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
geez..these are all great facts and figures for 2005...the hard work and deligence that went into making this post is massive and i have nothing but the greatest respect for the author(s) and compilation..the only problem is they are vastly outdated..circa 2005 so not much good for prest application..except for the basic breakdowns on some items...but hey..thanks anyhow..they did help immensely in the past.
#287 Apr 21 2007 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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deanonoze wrote:
geez..these are all great facts and figures for 2005...the hard work and deligence that went into making this post is massive and i have nothing but the greatest respect for the author(s) and compilation..the only problem is they are vastly outdated..circa 2005 so not much good for prest application..except for the basic breakdowns on some items...but hey..thanks anyhow..they did help immensely in the past.


Yeah, we're aware. Azuarc has plans to create a revised version, but time is not quite as limitless as it once seemed to be.

That's the same reason why my BM guide has yet to be updated.

#288 Apr 24 2007 at 1:52 AM Rating: Decent


Great Guide!

#289 Apr 24 2007 at 10:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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geez..these are all great facts and figures for 2005...the hard work and deligence that went into making this post is massive and i have nothing but the greatest respect for the author(s) and compilation..the only problem is they are vastly outdated..circa 2005 so not much good for prest application..


Hey, it's good for 2006, too!
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#290 Apr 26 2007 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
I was 69 when I posted,just can't show unused talent points on the talent tree thing.There's nothing wrong with having a pet-centric as you put it build,is there? I find it suits my playing style best.This is my build at 70 any advice would be appreciated..

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?0500320052501225313510555001000000000000000000000000000000000000

#291 Apr 26 2007 at 9:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'll let Sayis answer that, but no, there's nothing wrong. Just not my style.
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#292 Apr 26 2007 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
Great guide Az! And, yes, for us recent hunters, the beginning of the guide is still useful (some people are just *%$#@*% crybabies. If you don't like it, don't read it. Go Build you own WoW website, and make your own hunter post. I appreciate all the time and effort that went into this guide, Az.

As I am a pre 60 hunter (lvl 55 ATM), and really have no questions, just a hearty slap on the back for Az.

Ok, I lied.. :) One question. I've seen a lot of people say that "MM is a PVP monster" "No BM is the PVP killer build". I've just started PVP for the first time *grins* at lvl 53 in AV. I am currently a MM build all the way and it seems to work ok. In the past week I have learned more how to play my hunter a whole lot more, but I get smoked by "the massive red cats" from the enemy hunters.

Azurac, have you used BM in PVP? MM? Which do you prefer? I'm thinking about a re-spec for PVP, but have never tried BM. Any thoughts at all would be appreciated.

(I am now a certified addict to PVP...3 days of AV and I bought my Epic Horn of the Frostwolf and have already gotten rep to Revered..hehe)

(Sorry about the butchering of your name Azuarc...dyslexia is a *#$&%!


Edited, Apr 26th 2007 3:39pm by Turzzock
#293 Apr 27 2007 at 7:14 PM Rating: Decent
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ozwwjd wrote:
I was 69 when I posted,just can't show unused talent points on the talent tree thing.There's nothing wrong with having a pet-centric as you put it build,is there? I find it suits my playing style best.This is my build at 70 any advice would be appreciated..

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?0500320052501225313510555001000000000000000000000000000000000000


A pet-centric build is viable if you are adept at controlling your pet.

As for your build... I still question the value of Aimed Shot in pet-centric builds, but I seem to tbe the only one who does. Other than that.. you picked up many of the key talents, left out the bad ones.

Turzzock wrote:
Ok, I lied.. :) One question. I've seen a lot of people say that "MM is a PVP monster" "No BM is the PVP killer build". I've just started PVP for the first time *grins* at lvl 53 in AV. I am currently a MM build all the way and it seems to work ok. In the past week I have learned more how to play my hunter a whole lot more, but I get smoked by "the massive red cats" from the enemy hunters.

Azurac, have you used BM in PVP? MM? Which do you prefer? I'm thinking about a re-spec for PVP, but have never tried BM. Any thoughts at all would be appreciated.


PvP boils down to two things: players and situations. Specs and gear play a relatively small part when you look at those two. Between hunters, a skilled hunter will beat an unskilled one (BM or MM). Between classes... a BM is better suited for caster battle while MM are better suited to the melee kite fights. That doesn't mean BM can't function against melee or that MM can't hold their own against casters.

Try BM to see if it's your style.... but don't pick BM because you think it'll make you a better PvPer.
#294 Apr 30 2007 at 4:21 AM Rating: Decent
Well I pull in instances often mith misdirection + aimed shot which is what I have it for,as well as firing it off in instances.When aimed+multi+arcane all crit whatever you have targeted feels it,but 9 times out of ten the mob heads for me when I do that...
#295 Apr 30 2007 at 10:09 PM Rating: Decent
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ozwwjd wrote:
Well I pull in instances often mith misdirection + aimed shot which is what I have it for,as well as firing it off in instances.When aimed+multi+arcane all crit whatever you have targeted feels it,but 9 times out of ten the mob heads for me when I do that...


By the time you have Misdirection, you'll have Steady Shot. As a BM, you're more likely to have high AP (rather than high Agi), so your Steady Shots and Arcane Shots hit hard. Not as much damage as Aimed, perhaps, but shorter and doesn't cost a talent point.

I'm not saying Aimed Shot is bad... but as a heavy Beast Master, it just doesn't seem like you can get the talents that make it a staple ability. Being BM with Aimed Shot just feels kinda like a hunter trying to melee. It can be done... but that doesn't mean it can be done well.
#296 May 01 2007 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not saying Aimed Shot is bad... but as a heavy Beast Master, it just doesn't seem like you can get the talents that make it a staple ability. Being BM with Aimed Shot just feels kinda like a hunter trying to melee. It can be done... but that doesn't mean it can be done well

I like aimed shot in any build. What's your theory of why Aimed is bad for BM builds? Because of mortal shots? Well, I really don't see your reasoning there Sayis... Although you're not the type to not back up your answer.
#297 May 01 2007 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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ArthasTheBetrayer wrote:

I like aimed shot in any build. What's your theory of why Aimed is bad for BM builds? Because of mortal shots? Well, I really don't see your reasoning there Sayis... Although you're not the type to not back up your answer.


It depends on your spec. I'm specifically talking about heavy BM spec (ie, pet-centric builds). If you're just going 11 points into MM solely for Aimed Shot, then you're not getting many of the requisite talents that make Aimed Shot useful -- particularly Mortal Shots.

If, on the other hand, you're doing a more balanced hybrid of the two, then it could be effective.

Play to your own strengths, not to someone else's. Beast Mastery can be a very effective build, but you do not play it the same way as a MM or SV hunter. That's just aiming in the wrong direction, and you won't be at your best trying to do that.

I don't consider AS to be a must-have ability. In most situations, it would slow me down, though. I decided that I would rather have talents that complemented my BM style rather than impeding it. I've never looked back, and I've never had trouble for lacking it.
#298 May 01 2007 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't find saying, "Taking a talent from another tree that is not the same as one for my primary tree" enough support for your theory.

You never gave a reason that is strong enough to suppost your opinion, you probaly have your own reasons, but I'm BM heavy and I love Aimed Shot when I specced into it.

If you like mana-saving more it may because you value Steady Shot>Aimed Shot, but I can still think of a ton of situations when Aimed Shot will be useful.

Btw: Update your sig man! Put your armory link in and show you're 70 now! Be proud of yourself!
#299 May 01 2007 at 4:48 PM Rating: Decent
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ArthasTheBetrayer wrote:
I don't find saying, "Taking a talent from another tree that is not the same as one for my primary tree" enough support for your theory.

You never gave a reason that is strong enough to suppost your opinion, you probaly have your own reasons, but I'm BM heavy and I love Aimed Shot when I specced into it.

If you like mana-saving more it may because you value Steady Shot>Aimed Shot, but I can still think of a ton of situations when Aimed Shot will be useful.

Btw: Update your sig man! Put your armory link in and show you're 70 now! Be proud of yourself!


It's not about the trees, it's about the talent itself. It doesn't work together with any of the BM talents, it doesn't support any of your other talents, and it works against a more BM-oriented style.

It serves no real benefit that I've seen other than giving you bigger numbers all at once. I'd rather be on the move. Attack, kill, attack, kill, attack, kill. Not only is this faster, but it keeps me from wasting Frenzy and Ferocious Inspiration -- just keep going kill to kill with no pauses until it's time to rest.

Aimed Shot is an opener... it is very limited in the number of situations where it is beneficial to use, and there are even many situations where it's a bad idea to use. You'd have to have a very slow weapon to get a real dps boost from Aimed Shot (since you can add in AS dps without losing autoshot dps), but that counteracts Serpent Swiftness and Improved Aspect of the Hawk if you have them.

It may be of use in PvP, but that talent point (or points if you only took them to get to Aimed Shot) could be just as beneficial somewhere else.

#300 May 01 2007 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Still no support I find reasonable, I think Aimed is an excellent talent, you may not, and it's just fine.

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Aimed Shot is an opener... it is very limited in the number of situations where it is beneficial to use, and there are even many situations where it's a bad idea to use. You'd have to have a very slow weapon to get a real dps boost from Aimed Shot (since you can add in AS dps without losing autoshot dps), but that counteracts Serpent Swiftness and Improved Aspect of the Hawk if you have them.

I fine Aimed does work better with slower weapons, but Serpent Swiftness and Imp. AotH do not counteract them, because the weapon still has the same shot DPS.

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It's not about the trees, it's about the talent itself. It doesn't work together with any of the BM talents, it doesn't support any of your other talents, and it works against a more BM-oriented style.

I think it works well with BM talents, and even hand-in-hand with some. In a fight, you can pop Beastial Wrath [with TBW] use any attack power/crit/damage trinkets you have and burst an insane amout of damage.

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It serves no real benefit that I've seen other than giving you bigger numbers all at once. I'd rather be on the move.

If you start casting it when your pet is close to the target you should have it fired by the time it's there and has landed a growl and a few points of damage. This would counteract the slowness of it. Or you can use it when you're about to break a target out of a CC since you killed your primary one [or froze it to get distance].

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It may be of use in PvP, but that talent point (or points if you only took them to get to Aimed Shot) could be just as beneficial somewhere else.

It can be useful somewhere else, but so can Intimidate, Beastial Wrath, TBW, Beastial Swiftness, etc. They can all be useful somewhere else but they all are needed for certain builds.

I still don't understand your reasoning. I'm sure you have some, but I just don't see it.

#301 May 01 2007 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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ArthasTheBetrayer wrote:
I still don't understand your reasoning. I'm sure you have some, but I just don't see it.


I've explained my reasoning. Aimed Shot has no synergy with Beast Mastery.

Whether or not you agree with me is up to you.

Btw, regarding slower weapons, the reason they work better with AS is because you can't auto-shoot while charging up. With an attack speed greater than 3 seconds, you eliminate this drawback completely, gaining the ability to do full autoshot dps with full Aimed Shot DPS weaved in between autoshots.

In Beast Master, you have Serpent's Swiftness and IAotH to increase your attack speed, and thereby your dps. However, if you were to use Aimed Shot with Serpent's Swiftness active, you would be losing more Autoshot dps, weakening the damage benefits of using Aimed Shot.
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