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#77 Jul 28 2010 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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#78REDACTED, Posted: Jul 28 2010 at 1:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ever had something that was popular with other people but you absolutely abhorred? Ever had those people keep going on about how much they hate shelling out more money for absolute crap and all you can do is tell them to stop being dumb and blowing money on it knowing they're not going to listen because they think their crap is actually gold?
#79 Jul 28 2010 at 4:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ever had something that was popular with other people but you absolutely abhorred? Ever had those people keep going on about how much they hate shelling out more money for absolute crap and all you can do is tell them to stop being dumb and blowing money on it knowing they're not going to listen because they think their crap is actually gold?

Yes. But what I've never done is blown up on them because we have a differing viewpoint, or burst in on them and yelled "QUIT ENJOYING THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT SUCKS".
#80 Jul 28 2010 at 4:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ever had something that was popular with other people but you absolutely abhorred? Ever had those people keep going on about how much they hate shelling out more money for absolute crap and all you can do is tell them to stop being dumb and blowing money on it knowing they're not going to listen because they think their crap is actually gold.


Yeah, every time I find out that someone I know has bought an Iphone.
#81 Jul 28 2010 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Ever had something that was popular with other people but you absolutely abhorred? Ever had those people keep going on about how much they hate shelling out more money for absolute crap and all you can do is tell them to stop being dumb and blowing money on it knowing they're not going to listen because they think their crap is actually gold.


Yeah, every time I find out that someone I know has bought an Iphone.
srsly right? Smiley: lol

If you buy overhyped garbage and keep paying for your overhyped garbage, then you loose the right to complain about your overhyped garbage reaming you.
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what I've never done is blown up on them because we have a differing viewpoint
You've never seen me actually blow up on someone. This is "wtf is wrong with you" at worst.

Edited, Jul 28th 2010 6:12pm by shintasama
#82 Jul 28 2010 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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Ever had something that was popular with other people but you absolutely abhorred? Ever had those people keep going on about how much they hate shelling out more money for absolute crap and all you can do is tell them to stop being dumb and blowing money on it knowing they're not going to listen because they think their crap is actually gold.


Yeah, every time I find out that someone I know has bought an Iphone for AT&T

FTFY
#83 Jul 28 2010 at 5:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lots of people are getting heated. My two cents? Played through DA:O, no DLC, no Awakenings, just the basic story. When I finished it, I thought to myself "This was probably the best RPG I have ever played. It had everything I wanted."

And I had no urge to replay it. Yes, you can make different choices and comments, and courting Morrigan might have been more fun than Frenchie McFrench-French, but the most enjoyable part to me was the storyline, and while some things might change with new choices or paths, the story is still pretty much the same.

Plus it was a DAMN long game.
#84 Jul 28 2010 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
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Ever had something that was popular with other people but you absolutely abhorred? Ever had those people keep going on about how much they hate shelling out more money for absolute crap and all you can do is tell them to stop being dumb and blowing money on it knowing they're not going to listen because they think their crap is actually gold.


Yeah, every time I find out that someone I know has bought an Iphone for AT&T
FTFY
Speaking of which, I heard recently that they made some change to the DMCA that makes it legal for companies to offer jail breaking and carrier crossover, as well as possibly anti-DRM software, so maybe it'll actually be understandable to have one soon.

Apple will still be an evil corporate empire, but I'm a lot more understanding of that.
#85 Jul 28 2010 at 7:03 PM Rating: Good
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what I've never done is blown up on them because we have a differing viewpoint
You've never seen me actually blow up on someone. This is "wtf is wrong with you" at worst.

At worst, it's you being a **** because you're apparently incapable of comprehending that someone has different tastes than you. Is it really that big of a deal that some people like DA:O and you didn't? You're acting like they're trying to take all your games away and force you to play it.
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Yahtzee isn't the game reviewer god, but he's funny, speaks really fast and does so with a British accent and a vulgar language. As such, his points are instantly made valid.

I've disagreed with him on a couple of games, mostly because he always approaches a game a bit pessimistically, but like Ebert and movies, you just have to realize that when Yahtzee claims a game sucks, he actually means it's somewhat good. If it truly does suck, he'll dedicate the entire video to Mr. McBland and animated poo.

It's the mind of a genius.

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#87 Jul 28 2010 at 8:11 PM Rating: Good
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Let me phrase my question this way--When I first found out that you played as a Big Daddy in BS2, I wasn't excited by the news at all. Nothing about being one interests me, specifically.

Would I be better to just leave that one be and enjoy the first?
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#88 Jul 28 2010 at 9:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Not to bump myself here, but I'm still curious on this:

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I'd give MW2 a 9 with a 9.5 if you are a multiplayer fan. I'm not an FPS fan, but I thought they did a kickass job with the game. Multiplayer would get a 10 if they didn't start high KS players in the middle of combat to help the other team.

Maybe I wasn't familiar enough with the mechanics behind the system, but what do you mean?
#89 Jul 28 2010 at 9:04 PM Rating: Decent
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what I've never done is blown up on them because we have a differing viewpoint
You've never seen me actually blow up on someone. This is "wtf is wrong with you" at worst.

At worst, it's you being a **** because you're apparently incapable of comprehending that someone has different tastes than you.
No? I'm completely capable of comprehending that other people have other tastes than me: ie. I don't like MW2's multiplayer but can understand that other people are into that sort of thing and that would affect their overall view of the game. What I don't understand is how someone can honestly look at a game with nine novels of text in a large number of cases directly, shamelessly, pathetically ripping off a famous work of literature to create a shallow knock off with some faux choose-your-own-adventure hand waving, and say, "Complaining about the dialogue/plot isn't fair criticism!"

THAT requires a level of cognitive dissonance I'm absolutely baffled by.

Why are you so hellbent on calling me names? Are you incapable of comprehending that some people just have different normal tones of discussion? Is it really that big of a deal that I'm a bit more aggressive in my speech than you? You're acting like I'm derailing your thread and trying to get you to honestly question why you keep feeding Bioware money and then complaining about it. Because if there wasn't some shade of doubt there the tone of the OP would be "I can't wait for new expansions" instead of "I'm not looking forward to spending more money on this series."
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Let me phrase my question this way--When I first found out that you played as a Big Daddy in BS2, I wasn't excited by the news at all. Nothing about being one interests me, specifically.

Would I be better to just leave that one be and enjoy the first?
Well, considering that Yahtzee was right on the mark when he said the that, in practice, being a big daddy in the second game was almost indistinguishable from not being a big daddy in the first one as you're a "prototype model", that really shouldn't be a deciding factor for you. The only real gameplay difference between the two you'll notice is you can breath underwater (which leads to some surreal sections that give an interesting break) and use plasmids and guns simultaneously. Overall it's really just more of the same (which considering the quality of the first game is not a bad thing), with some minor tweaks.

If you've already got the first one and are hesitant, then finish it first and ask yourself if you'd enjoy another 10hrs of that.

Edited, Jul 28th 2010 11:05pm by shintasama
#90 Jul 28 2010 at 9:44 PM Rating: Decent
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What I don't understand is how someone can honestly look at a game with nine novels of text in a large number of cases directly, shamelessly, pathetically ripping off a famous work of literature to create a shallow knock off with some faux choose-your-own-adventure hand waving, and say, "Complaining about the dialogue/plot isn't fair criticism!"

THAT requires a level of cognitive dissonance I'm absolutely baffled by.

Most of your criticism of the dialogue and plot was going "I hate how much of it there is" and refusing to acknowledge how easy it was to skip. There might be legitimate comparisons to draw between DA:O and LOTR, but you weren't making them. Besides which, you continuously act as though having a large amount of plot is a negative aspect to a game. Since it was skippable in this case, it's not a valid point of concern.

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Why are you so hellbent on calling me names? Are you incapable of comprehending that some people just have different normal tones of discussion? Is it really that big of a deal that I'm a bit more aggressive in my speech than you?

"Bit more aggressive" sounds like an excuse for being an *******. There's "bit more aggressive", and then there's going ********** you" to people for suggesting your gambits might've been set up wrong.

Besides which, you were whining about karma and acting like it was only fanboys. I explained why I've been rating you down and you responded, ah, a "bit aggressively".
#91 Jul 28 2010 at 10:01 PM Rating: Decent
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The only thing I can't understand is how you can complain about the plot is DA:O and like FFXIII. I remember a number of points in FFXIII that let you move around for no reason. Cutscene ended, walk to the edge of the screen, cutscene, walk 3 steps, fight 1 battle, cutscene, etc. And the plot wasn't even that original. Final Fantasy has had the same plot since FFX. And it wasn't original then, either. Not to say the cutscenes weren't pretty, just that I didn't really feel like playing a long *** movie after reading all the reviews about gameplay...
#92 Jul 28 2010 at 10:44 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe I wasn't familiar enough with the mechanics behind the system, but what do you mean?


Well, it has never been confirmed. But the running theory (which, after watching at least a hundred hours of my brother playing, I'd have to agree with) is that, when you get a high KS and then die, the game places you in locations right near several enemy players, so they get some easy kills on you, to "balance" the teams and give the other one a chance. I wasn't even the one playing and it was annoying me.

And the reason I think it is actually part of the system, and not just random, is that he never seemed to have it happen if he hadn't gotten any impressive KS yet. He might die, but he'd definitely spawn further away from enemies. It could have been him having terrible luck. But the frequency with which it happened over such a long period suggests to me that it isn't.

And, as someone whou would have UNDOUBTEDLY been the victim of many of those killstreak kills, I can't agree with it. If I suck (and I do), it shouldn't be up to the designers to give me some easy kills and annoy other players/affect their stats.

That was my biggest gripe with the game, and I can't even verify it. If I was a FPS fan, I'd own it already.
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#93 Jul 28 2010 at 11:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Ah, I've never heard of that. As someone who played compulsively for most of a semester, and thus got the higher KS rewards quite often, I can't say I ever noticed any behavior like that. The biggest issue I had with the multiplayer actually wasn't even a game issue - it was the fact that Infinity Ward has horrible algorithms for matching players with low latency servers. You'd be doing fine for a few games in a row, then you'd get a complete sh*t server where everyone is lagging like mad, so the game would try to find you a new server, but the new one would be even worse. Even with all that, though, I really enjoyed the multiplayer. Could do without all the grenade launchers, though.

Edit: As for the KS theory, what I noticed when I played was that each team might have one or two really good players, and then everyone else would be doing decent to poor. What could be happening is that, when you get a high KS then die, your team isn't really set up to carry the slack created by your death, which lets the enemy team push forward a bit near your spawn points. On the other hand, if you haven't gotten any high killstreaks lately, then your team is most likely already in a position to defend the spawns with killstreaks of their own, which they won't be getting if you're doing really well (namely because you're taking all the kills). Just a theory, which seems more likely to me than the idea of being purposefully placed near enemies.

Edited, Jul 29th 2010 12:04am by Majivo
#94 Jul 29 2010 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
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I've never seen any hard data, and it could be nothing but rumors, but the idea is that a program (snfg.exe--known as Sniper Frog by the community in general) focuses on players with higher ratings and causes them to be more affected by enemy perks and other AI-related things (such as spawning closer to combat). The idea is that the better you do, the harsher the game treats you.

Again, I've never seen hard data. But I can't say I'd be that surprised if it did exist. I remember watching my brother one day (on the game he was just about to get his nuke in--like 2 kills away) and he literally shot this guy 4 or 5 times in the head, to no avail. He had to reload and then got 1-shot in return by a pistol or something. As far as I (and he) could tell, he hadn't been lagging at all. And after he died there, it placed him LITERALLY right in front of another player 5 times in a row. He threw his controller. XD

It definitely could be coincidence. But it could also be a system in place to try and even out the game. Either way, I'll only get MW2 when I have a lot of free time to play and stop sucking at FPS games.
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#95 Jul 29 2010 at 12:55 AM Rating: Good
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Since this thread is called "Damn You Bioware!", this is as good a place as any to complain about how annoying it was to import my Mass Effect characters into Mass Effect 2. Why on earth do they have an entirely separate set of folders for the save data in the My Documents while there's already a set of folders for the install data in the Program Files?
#96 Jul 29 2010 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
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Since this thread is called "Damn You Bioware!", this is as good a place as any to complain about how annoying it was to import my Mass Effect characters into Mass Effect 2. Why on earth do they have an entirely separate set of folders for the save data in the My Documents while there's already a set of folders for the install data in the Program Files?


I was also very annoyed with this when ME2 first came out. However, the game was awesome so I quickly forgot about it.
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Vataro wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Since this thread is called "Damn You Bioware!", this is as good a place as any to complain about how annoying it was to import my Mass Effect characters into Mass Effect 2. Why on earth do they have an entirely separate set of folders for the save data in the My Documents while there's already a set of folders for the install data in the Program Files?


I was also very annoyed with this when ME2 first came out. However, the game was awesome so I quickly forgot about it.


Yeah, I was like "Goddamn you, BioWare, I hate you fore-- ooh, boobies!"

Really, ME2 is just awesome in so many ways. Only negative thing is that being a "spellcaster" (biotic) is kinda boring after the first dozen kills. Throwing people across the room and doing lift and slam maneuvers like some Jedi is kinda cool at first, but it gets tedious after a while. Being a soldier gave you both some biotics and kickass weapons, so it's definitely the approach I'd recommend to new players.

Edited, Jul 29th 2010 7:48pm by Mazra
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#98 Jul 29 2010 at 1:27 PM Rating: Default
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Besides which, you were whining about karma and acting like it was only fanboys. I explained why I've been rating you down and you responded, ah, a "bit aggressively".
Your entire contribution to this thread has been to whine about me and ask for clarification about something unrelated. At least I'm on topic?

I don't care at all about lolKarma or I would obviously stop posting on this topic, I only brought it up earlier to point out that Bard's comment about giving justifications for my opinion wasn't actually a productive step towards reasonable conversation, as people will defend Bioware to the death regardless of the level of double think they are required to use in order to attempt to justify their continual expenditures.

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Most of your criticism of the dialogue and plot was going "I hate how much of it there is" and refusing to acknowledge how easy it was to skip. There might be legitimate comparisons to draw between DA:O and LOTR, but you weren't making them. Besides which, you continuously act as though having a large amount of plot is a negative aspect to a game.
1) As I already pointed out, "skipping" was available, but not productive, as you needed bits of information embedded in the mountain of text in order to progress.
2) Idig, didn't say "I enjoy reading massive walls of text", he claimed that there wasn't that much, to which I call *********

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Since this thread is called "Damn You Bioware!", this is as good a place as any to complain
I thought so.
#99 Jul 29 2010 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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Since this thread is called "Damn You Bioware!", this is as good a place as any to complain
I thought so.
You thought so what? The game is awesome and they have a bit of a goofy counter-intuitive scheme for where they place their save files. I was mildly annoyed and felt like ********* Since there was a thread here and my roommates were still sleeping, I figured I'd go for it.
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I don't care at all about lolKarma or I would obviously stop posting on this topic, I only brought it up earlier to point out that Bard's comment about giving justifications for my opinion wasn't actually a productive step towards reasonable conversation, as people will defend Bioware to the death regardless of the level of double think they are required to use in order to attempt to justify their continual expenditures.


Of course people'll continue to defende the game and buy DLC for it IF THEY LIKE THE GAME. I don't quite see what you hoped to achieve by actually discussing it, if you know they'll like it and you don't. Get real, does it bother you that much that others have fun for their 60 bucks and you don't/didn't?

Personal, fairly aggresive, bull aside;

I find that the best thing about Dragon Age: Origins, was the fact that it was detailed. Everything, and I mean everything, seemed to have a backstory of sorts. I personally felt the story was interesting, I'd started my second playthrough only to feel bad about killing all of the elves for a trophy and not continuing afterwards.

I quite liked the entire romancing thing, too. And I quite like the option to pretty much disrespect a religion to the point of eating their prophet's ashes. That aside, all I'm saying is, it's subjective.

Shinta, you have MW2 and Fable 2 on your list there. I consider Call of Duty to be the same crap every year, only with reskinned weapons and updated graphics. Fable II, well, the waiting mini-game killed any enthusiasm I had for that game, only to just quit and stuff it back on my brother's shelve, right where I think it belongs.

However, other people liked them, so what should I care?

(Sidenote: Cheshire Cat ftw!)

Edited, Jul 29th 2010 5:24pm by BlackyLakshmi
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Professor shintasama wrote:
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Since this thread is called "Damn You Bioware!", this is as good a place as any to complain
I thought so.
You thought so what? The game is awesome and they have a bit of a goofy counter-intuitive scheme for where they place their save files. I was mildly annoyed and felt like ********* Since there was a thread here and my roommates were still sleeping, I figured I'd go for it.


You didnt get it. its ok though.
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