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I rather liked the morality system from Infamous, personally, just because it kept the cartoonish villainy minimal(and even then, there was a reason for it) and forced you to choose to act completely selfish or not, which I felt made the whole thing feel a bit more real.

And I thought Mass Effect's system(haven't played 2 yet) was pretty good as well, since that one also wasn't a choice between good and evil. It was more of a choice of either being a professional who gets the job done in the right way, using diplomacy and compassion when possible, or being someone who is ruthless, getting the job you've set out to do done no matter the cost with the lives of others coming second to your mission.

Mmmm...I think you'd hate it, if you don't like unpredictable negative consequences resulting from your choices. In GTAIV, someone always dies based upon your decisions. And it isn't always a bad guy.

At any rate, I certainly preferred DA:O's system to GTAIV's. GTA only has 4-6ish decisions to be made in the game, and every single one of them involves you playing "executioner" and deciding which of two characters will die. It didn't hamper the game, but I wouldn't say that it really bolstered the experience, either. Having two characters simultaneously contract your character to kill each other isn't really believable, you know?

Edited, Jul 26th 2010 9:25am by Eske

Marching into battle with Golems and Werewolves also feels a hell of a lot different than marching in with elves/dwarves.

And, about skipping dialogue, it isn't NEARLY as bad as you are making it out to be. There's almost always a "just give me the objective I don't want to talk to you" option for quest givers, so it isn't like you are sifting through walls of text looking for what you are supposed to do. Only those given by the boards and such don't have that, and they almost all state where you need to go in the first two sentences or so. When you go there, the objective is marked on your map, so you don't have to read the quest at all if you don't want to.

Hell, you don't even NEED to do the quests at all. None of those reward anything but gold, as far as I know. All the valuable quest rewards come from ones you get right in the open, near your main quest objectives. For example, you can get a pretty good sword by completing the quest given by Kaitlyn, who stands 10 feet away from Bann Teagan in Redcliffe, who you HAVE to talk to (and she's on the way out).

Talking to her goes like this:

"Was I bothering you? Sorry, I'll keep it down." Respond however you want.
"My brother ran away!" Say you'll find him.

Quest accepted, objective known. Talking to her more just gives background, nothing else. You'll find him while exploring the village.

If YOU choose to read everything, you have no right to complain about the game being a wall of text. Bioware made it stupidly simple to do quests without much dialogue at all.

As for the main quests, they are actually pretty interesting. Only the Redcliffe army is guaranteed. All the others force you to choose who you want. Would you prefer to fight an archdemon with Golems, Werewolves and Templars or Elves, Dwarves and Mages? They have hugely varying strengths and weaknesses for different parts of the final battle. So, yes, your choices matter.

Not to mention the game's ending changes radically.

You can:

SpoilerBecome King
Become Queen (w/ or w/o Alistair)
Die
Become the Warden Commander
Become Alistair's mistress
And possibly more (maybe options with Anora?)

And all of your companion's stories are intricately tied to your choices. Zevran can end up as the captain of the guard for Ferelden, have died in his ambush attempt, betray you or beg for his freedom.

And I'm not being a d*ck, but it really does sound like you sucked. And I'm saying it as someone who isn't uber awesome. You are getting pissy about being stun locked when you said all you did was hit the same button. DUH. Casters and ranged are incredibly dangerous in this game. If you aren't CCing them, and setting your tank up to have control and be immune to knock downs, then you'll obviously get stun locked. The point is to take them out before they can do it to you.

Oh, and I don't agree with your crude plot synopsis of LotR.

You are playing a ROLE PLAYING GAME and feel like the completely altered story lines based on your decisions don't mean crap. That's the problem. If you don't care about the story of a game, or how choices you make affect it, then don't play RPGs. It's as easy as that. If you just want a story spoon fed to you without taking any responsibility in it, play something like FF.

And playing the game without a Mage, because Wynne and Morrigan both left, is going to feel way different.

As for combat, I've never had a problem with the camera hiding important things from me. And the first thing I do when entering a battle is scope out whether there are ranged or casters around.

And I admitted it was very similar to LotR. How exactly does that make me a zealot? I don't think it's nearly as bad as you make it out to be, but I happily accepted it has an extreme Tolkein feel to it.

The person who seems to be most butthurt here is you. The claims you are making are ridiculous and mostly unfounded, but you are super determined to hate the game. I enjoyed the game, yes. Is it the best one I've ever played? No. Not even the best on my PS3. Does it have faults? Many. Will it lend itself to everyone? Definitely not. Hell, I hate dungeon crawlers. During the parts of the game where that aspect is extensive, I was getting irritated. But I'm not going to ***** and moan about how the game sucks because it has DC elements to it. Which is why you are retarded for ******** and moaning that they made the RP elements a significant portion for the game. Bioware made that clear from the very start. I'm not going to say all sport games suck because I hate sport games.

Bioware did a pretty good job with the game, regardless of whether it is your cup of tea.

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And I SERIOUSLY don't understand what you are saying about it not making a huge difference in the plot? It makes a massive one. You can commit a genocide against Mages/Elves, force Dwarves into eternal slavery, abandon villages to be swept away under undead onslaught and usurp the throne. How is that plot line not VASTLY different from others? Because, either way, the arch demon dies and the Horde recedes? That's such a terrible argument.

I don't care if you like the game or not. But I expect you to at least use logic and be fair in your judgements. Especially if your entry into the thread is going to be so aggressive.

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I'd probably give the game a rating of like 8 stars. Good enough I'd recommend it, but not necessarily an AMAZING title, and nothing that needs to be bought ASAP. But I don't think renting would do it justice (since the replay value with different story lines are what make me love it).

Edited, Jul 27th 2010 1:49pm by idiggory

I lolwut at the bolded.

I hated DA:O and I thought Mass Effect was overhyped. I've also rated down most of your posts in this thread, not because I disagree with you - though on some points I do - but because from the start you've been acting like a ****. So take that for what it's worth.

I got that during the epic steam sale, but haven't gotten to it yet.

Maybe I wasn't familiar enough with the mechanics behind the system, but what do you mean?

Since we've kinda derailed a little, ill take this opportunity to say im playing Demons Souls and it is kicking my ***. hahahaaa.... but its a really great game and i love it.

If you've only reached a thousand, you haven't been playing it enough.