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#1 Nov 02 2009 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
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For those of you with a beefy PC, and some old PS2 games, this site is wonderful.

Playing FFX, or Kingdom Hearts with no loading times and higher resolution graphics? I don't see how you could beat that, gaming wise.

On a side note, FFX is almost ten years old. I can't believe it. Now I feel old :(
#2 Nov 02 2009 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
The thing I dislike most about emulators is that they're not idiot proof. If I have to worry about all this setup crap, then I just don't care enough about emulation, because it's not getting installed unless I just have to run the installer, and tell it where to put the files.

I understand that emulation is buggy, and needs some TLC to get the most out of it, especially for a more complex system like the PS2, but I just don't care enough about playing really old games to worry about flipping levers, and tweaking a billion settings to get a troublesome game to work right.

tl; dr: Meh... PS2 emulation is still horribly imperfect, and not worth my time.
#3 Nov 02 2009 at 8:49 AM Rating: Good
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It took me like ten minutes to get through all the configs, honestly. Sure, beefy compared to most emulators, but worth the time considering the alternative would be to purchase another olde model PS2, then order another poptop case mod so I can play my games.
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#4 Nov 02 2009 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
I figure, I've got a PC, DS, PSP, PS3, and a Wii. If I can't find something to play without having to resort to emulation, then I fail at being a gamer.

Which reminds me, I need to unplug the Wii from the TV upstairs today, and connect it to the TV downstairs so I can give it another chance. It's been probably a year since I last turned it on, there's gotta be SOMETHING on it I want to play.
#5 Nov 02 2009 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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The thing I dislike most about emulators is that they're not idiot proof. If I have to worry about all this setup crap, then I just don't care enough about emulation, because it's not getting installed unless I just have to run the installer, and tell it where to put the files.

I understand that emulation is buggy, and needs some TLC to get the most out of it, especially for a more complex system like the PS2, but I just don't care enough about playing really old games to worry about flipping levers, and tweaking a billion settings to get a troublesome game to work right.

tl; dr: Meh... PS2 emulation is still horribly imperfect, and not worth my time.


I'm not great with computers, either.

But there's a guide section and it's brilliant. I got set up on FFX within about 10 minutes... 50 FPS (unless the screen's really cluttered) and it's higher resolution than PS2. It's lovely.

The BIOS is a bit trickier because unless you're a PS2 techno-wiz you have to download it, but it's easy to find via bittorrent. There's some kind of legal mumbo-jumbo involved.
#6 Nov 02 2009 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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I figure, I've got a PC, DS, PSP, PS3, and a Wii. If I can't find something to play without having to resort to emulation, then I fail at being a gamer.

Which reminds me, I need to unplug the Wii from the TV upstairs today, and connect it to the TV downstairs so I can give it another chance. It's been probably a year since I last turned it on, there's gotta be SOMETHING on it I want to play.


I've been enjoying Okami again recently, but then again I never played it on the PS2. If you haven't either, then give it a go on Wii. It's actually quite fun and the controls work well 98% of the time Smiley: tongue.
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#7 Nov 03 2009 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent
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My PS2 still runs just fine. It's even one of the release models that had a habit self destructing. It's too bad that the games look like absolute crap on an HDTV though.
#8 Nov 03 2009 at 7:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Which reminds me, I need to unplug the Wii from the TV upstairs today, and connect it to the TV downstairs so I can give it another chance. It's been probably a year since I last turned it on, there's gotta be SOMETHING on it I want to play.


I am now reminding you of MP Trillogy
#9 Nov 03 2009 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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Which reminds me, I need to unplug the Wii from the TV upstairs today, and connect it to the TV downstairs so I can give it another chance. It's been probably a year since I last turned it on, there's gotta be SOMETHING on it I want to play.


I am now reminding you of MP Trillogy
I should have been more specific, "Something cheap, and/or free." I put MP Trilogy on my Gamefly list (I recently renewed my GF subscription) But they've already started letting me down.

My major problem with GF was that their turn around times on sending a game in, and getting one back was no less than a week and a half. They opened a couple new distribution centers since I quit last year, and so now, their turnarounds are averaging about 4 days, a remarkable improvement.

But, their gamefly list is nearly useless, ranking games in order of desire from most wanted to least is effectively useless. The first two games they sent to me were number 3 and 4 on my list, and I was ok with that, because I still wanted to play them, but I really wanted to play 1 and 2. I put a high demand game at 1 (Uncharted 2) and a seemingly low demand game at 2 (Overlord 2) but they skipped both of them. Then, I sent a game back, and they skipped over the first FIVE games on my list. That **** is getting old real quick.

I just sent back Valkyrie Profile for the DS, and if they don't send me one of my top three games in return, I may have to cancel my subscription again, and look for alternatives to take a big bite out of my spending on games.
#10 Nov 03 2009 at 6:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey nix

I hate giving gamestop business, you know that, but just work with me on this.

Find a used copy, beat it in 7 days or less, and take it back for a full refund. The reason is that you didn't like it. If you don't manage to beat it in 7 days, return it anyway and wait for a week in between, and then get a friend to do the same thing.
#11 Nov 03 2009 at 6:58 PM Rating: Good
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I first started using PCSX2 half a year ago. I gave my old PS2 to my cousins, and my PS3 is not a backwards compatible model. I still have all my PS2 games, my cousins only used the PS2 for the DDR games.

I was surprised by how compatible it was. It played my FFX, FFX-2, KH and KH2, Grandia 2 pretty much perfectly. Grandia had some dialog and voice acting sync issues, but nothing serious.

The only thing it couldn't play was my Xenosaga games. Well, it could play them, but during the cutscenes it was 1-4 FPS max. And a game that is 95% cutscenes... that doesn't work well.

And this was with 0.9.6, they recently released a couple new beta builds that I haven't tried out, which may have fixed a few issues.


As far as emulators go, and idiot-proof-ness, PCSX2 is very high on the list. It comes with every plugin you need. The only thing it doesn't come with is the illegal part (obviously). The only emulators that are more idiot-proof are the old consoles, like NES, SNES, GBA, which have near perfect emulation without even using a copyrighted BIOS image. PSX emulators are harder to use than the PS2 emulator, just because of the shear amount of plugins available and how much you have to change to create compatible configurations for games.
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#12 Nov 03 2009 at 9:48 PM Rating: Good
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As far as emulators go, and idiot-proof-ness, PCSX2 is very high on the list. It comes with every plugin you need. The only thing it doesn't come with is the illegal part (obviously). The only emulators that are more idiot-proof are the old consoles, like NES, SNES, GBA, which have near perfect emulation without even using a copyrighted BIOS image. PSX emulators are harder to use than the PS2 emulator, just because of the shear amount of plugins available and how much you have to change to create compatible configurations for games.

In order to put a PS2 disk in my PC and play it (any of the "green" games from their list,) do I simply have to double click the PCSX2 install file, and tell it where to put it?

If not, I'm not interested.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2009 9:55pm by NixNot
#13 Nov 03 2009 at 10:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree with Nixnox if it is stupidly difficult to get something to run I won't fool with it. Don't want to have to look for a illegal bios file that isn't supplied with the emulator or have to download 5 different programs to extract this, convert that etc etc. Plus when you get into emulators on PC alot of times you have stupid bugs here and there and its still not the same unless you go out and buy special controllers etc. By the time you do all of that might as well just play it on the original system.

I remember what a pain alot of those dreamcast emulators where. IF you could find a premade cdi it wasn't too bad but you had to do everything just right or the thing wouldn't boot.
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#14 Nov 03 2009 at 10:11 PM Rating: Good
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NixNot wrote:
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
As far as emulators go, and idiot-proof-ness, PCSX2 is very high on the list. It comes with every plugin you need. The only thing it doesn't come with is the illegal part (obviously). The only emulators that are more idiot-proof are the old consoles, like NES, SNES, GBA, which have near perfect emulation without even using a copyrighted BIOS image. PSX emulators are harder to use than the PS2 emulator, just because of the shear amount of plugins available and how much you have to change to create compatible configurations for games.

In order to put a PS2 disk in my PC and play it (any of the "green" games from their list,) do I simply have to double click the PCSX2 install file, and tell it where to put it?

If not, I'm not interested.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2009 9:55pm by NixNot


You run PCSX2, put the game disc in your computer, and choose "RUN" in the PCSX2 menu.

Of course you have to point it towards the DVD drive (D, F, G, E, what ever letter your drive has), but that takes a couple seconds. The programs comes pre-configured with Graphics and Sound Plugins. You'll have to map your controller buttons, since it doesn't know what type of controller you are using.


But the games do run better if they are stored on your computer. So using a program like DVD Decryptor or IMGBurn to copy the disc to your PC ends up with a faster loading game.
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#15 Nov 03 2009 at 10:13 PM Rating: Good
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
You run PCSX2, put the game disc in your computer, and choose "RUN" in the PCSX2 menu.
Well... Time to go find a copy of Persona 4, and attempt to get a PS3 controller running on my PC.
#16 Nov 03 2009 at 10:26 PM Rating: Good
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NixNot wrote:
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
You run PCSX2, put the game disc in your computer, and choose "RUN" in the PCSX2 menu.
Well... Time to go find a copy of Persona 4, and attempt to get a PS3 controller running on my PC.


I did have to click a single check box to make the health bar show up on KH2. I haven't personally tried Persona 4, since I don't own it, and I didn't download any PS2 games.

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This is all default settings, I believe I had to turn on "Logarithmic Z" in order for the health bar to appear in KH2.

I also used the "ISO" CDROM plugin so I could point to my backup files, since the loading time on the DVDs is longer than on the HDD. Otherwise you just keep it the way it is and point to your DVD drive.

Obviously the emulator requires a powerful PC to run. I think they said the program was optimized for a dual core processor. A WoW or FFXI box isn't going to cut it.


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Of course, I believe the newest release had a GUI update, so it may look different than this one.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2009 11:28pm by TirithRR
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#17 Nov 04 2009 at 12:11 AM Rating: Decent
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NixNot wrote:
and attempt to get a PS3 controller running on my PC.


Speaking of this, does anybody know if there's drivers/etc out there that allow for a PS3 controller to work on 64bit Win7?
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#18 Nov 04 2009 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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You run PCSX2, put the game disc in your computer, and choose "RUN" in the PCSX2 menu.


I am suddenly extremely interested.

Never did finish disgaea 2, and it couldn't hurt me to get more use out of that ps2 controller adapter I had for ffxi.
#19 Nov 04 2009 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
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EDIT: BTW, those plugins do exist, in the plugin folder, and I directed PCSX2 as to where those plugins are, but still nothing.

EDIT2: I, uh... acquired a BIOS, thinking the lack of that might be a problem. Still no go, still claiming those plugins do not exist. Also, acquiring a BIOS is more work than my original question of "do I simply have to double click the PCSX2 install file, and tell it where to put it?" As you can see, that question is not "do I simply have to double click the PCSX2 install file, tell it where to put it, then go hunt down a BIOS and put that in the proper folder, then tweak with settings till it works?"

My attention span has waned.

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Edited, Nov 4th 2009 9:41am by NixNot
#20 Nov 04 2009 at 7:36 PM Rating: Good
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Try the 0.9.6 version instead, rather than the latest BETA.

I haven't played with the BETA at all, and while it was a while ago, I remember the 0.9.6 version starting up just fine (after 'acquiring' a BIOS image of course)
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#21 Nov 04 2009 at 10:49 PM Rating: Good
Gah...

Got the non-beta version working... audio stutters, and runs at about half speed... game runs well when there's no vocals. Except for the fact that some of the effects are screwed up, and make the game unplayable.

Like I said earlier, PS2 emulation is still horribly imperfect, and by no means idiot-proof, so I'll just go back to never being able to play Persona 4 without buying another PS2. Trying to get the emulator to run the game right is just going to infuriate me, so I'm going to give up now, and uninstall this nonsense and be done with it.
#22 Nov 05 2009 at 5:55 AM Rating: Good
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Gah...

Got the non-beta version working... audio stutters, and runs at about half speed... game runs well when there's no vocals. Except for the fact that some of the effects are screwed up, and make the game unplayable.

Like I said earlier, PS2 emulation is still horribly imperfect, and by no means idiot-proof, so I'll just go back to never being able to play Persona 4 without buying another PS2. Trying to get the emulator to run the game right is just going to infuriate me, so I'm going to give up now, and uninstall this nonsense and be done with it.


I was going to make a new thread on this because I started playing Persona 4 last night (went through Amazon to find 5 star PS2 games).

This game is ******* amazing. If you need help setting it up, let me know.

I will advise though that you do need a decent computer to get it to run in hi-res. The native graphics aren't exactly stunning but will run at a faster speed.

Also, here is the setup guide. It's what I used and it works pretty much perfectly. A little bit of tinkering to get it how I want it, but nothing major. I'll take a screenshot of FFX to show you guys how it's running.
#23 Nov 05 2009 at 6:04 AM Rating: Good
Ok, here we go. And yes, use 0.9.6. It's stable. The beta is for people who are happy to work out the bugs and crashes of the new version.

Not stunning, by any means. but much better than you'd expect from an 8 year old game.
#24 Nov 05 2009 at 6:11 AM Rating: Good
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This game is @#%^ing amazing.
A game about An Heroes is pretty awesome just on principle.
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#25 Nov 05 2009 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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This game is @#%^ing amazing.
A game about An Heroes is pretty awesome just on principle.


...what?

I got as far as the bit where you get the golf club. I have no idea what you're talking about.

That first twist shocked the hell out of me, though. I did not see that coming at all.
#26 Nov 05 2009 at 6:40 AM Rating: Good
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Whoops, I was thinking about Persona 3. They don't do it the same way in 4?
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