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#1 Jul 01 2009 at 12:23 AM Rating: Excellent
Good morning.

I know that by posting this topic in this forum, I am probably preaching to the choir. Still, some people might not know about this and some might have never tried it out.

I have recently been scouring the internet for "Let's Play" and "AAR" threads.

Let me start with the definition:

Wikipedia wrote:
An After Action Report (or AAR) is any form of retrospective analysis on a given sequence of goal oriented actions previously undertaken, generally by the author itself.

In other words, and particularly for this forum, it's about telling people about the game you just played, while giving them info, mechanics, and some fictional writing to entertain and try to entice them to try the game out. Some illustrated walkthroughs and tutorials can be considered AARs.

I wrote:
A "Let's Play" thread is a forum thread where one player starts a game, explains the mechanics/basics, and leaves some decisions to the readers. Then the player posts updates about the adventure and asks for more input.

For example, you can imagine someone starting a "Let's Play WoW" thread, explaining some of the basics, giving a brief overview of the races/classes, and asking people to vote on what character to create, what kind of personality this character should have, what restrictions should apply (no melee weapons, no magic, no buffs, no talking to tauren NPCs, no talking to female undead NPCs with a letter h in their name, whatever you can think of).

They come in 3 varieties:
- Text only : Which some people enjoy but some find rather dull.
- Screenshots : My favorite, screenshots allow me to read about the game, see the graphics, and take my own time in appreciating the game. Sometimes the images are lost because of photobucket or other image hosting sites, which is a shame.
- Video : Many people like them. I don't because they take a lot of time, aren't work accessible (most video sites are blocked), are often deleted from Viddler, GoogleVideo, YouTube, or DailyMotion (and others). And sometimes you get a sequence that's sped-up to avoid boredom, and you end up with missing most of the text unless you are a virtuoso with the pause button.

The objective is to have fun, involve people in the game, and sometimes introduce a game to people who have never played it or who tried it and didn't get the most out of it.

Those are the basic concepts. Now this is a fairly time consuming activity, and some people prefer to read the finished LP or AAR instead of participating and waiting for updates.

I personally love reading about games I've finished, which are often played differently and seeing most of the stuff I missed or didn't try (for example, I usually play a goody two-shoes in most RPGs, and enjoy reading about the evil path taken by other players).

Now for the links:
I have found several sites that have regular AARs and LPs and would like to share them with you. If you know of any I may have missed (or forgotten), please post here and provide a link.

Battlereports
Let's play archive
Talking time, let's play already
The something awful forums, let's play
The realms beyond forums, I usually read the Orion and Civilisation tournament reports.
StarDestroyer.Net BBS, Gaming and Computers forum

I have never seen any bad ads on any of those sites, but then again I have Adblock. So if you find any, please tell me and I'll remove the link.

And how about trying something similar on forum=22?
#2 Jul 01 2009 at 12:56 AM Rating: Good
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Overlord danieldakkak wrote:
And how about trying something similar on forum=22?

It's interesting, and I'd be willing to give it a go.

A small note, when I think of "Let's Play," I think of the "Let's Play," videos on youtube where someone plays through a game giving commentary as they play. Most famously I think of ProtonJonSA's Kaizo Mario 1 & 2.

Edited, Jul 1st 2009 3:57am by Allegory
#3 Jul 01 2009 at 1:19 AM Rating: Excellent
Allegory wrote:
Overlord danieldakkak wrote:
And how about trying something similar on forum=22?

It's interesting, and I'd be willing to give it a go.

A small note, when I think of "Let's Play," I think of the "Let's Play," videos on youtube where someone plays through a game giving commentary as they play. Most famously I think of ProtonJonSA's Kaizo Mario 1 & 2.

Great! I'll look forward to the Let's play of your choice, which I have a sneaking suspicion would be one of your favorite Final Fantasy titles.

Since I'm a regular lurker on these forums, I'll even be able to participate, and post more.

The mario videos you linked are a nice example of a video LP. He's playing a game while following the rules that his friends set.
#4 Jul 01 2009 at 1:32 AM Rating: Good
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Overlord danieldakkak wrote:
Great! I'll look forward to the Let's play of your choice, which I have a sneaking suspicion would be one of your favorite Final Fantasy titles.

I had another game planned which I think might disappoint you, but hopefully I'll be able to do a good job of covering it.

I want to make sure I understand the concept well enough. Am I supposed to introduce people to a game and then ask them for special rules or ways I should play it? Or am I supposed play a game through normally giving an overview, pointing out fun and interesting aspects? I read through a few of the Let's play links you posted and there seemed to be quite the varied format.
#5 Jul 01 2009 at 3:30 AM Rating: Excellent
It's a pretty open format.
Imagine yourself talking to your friends and saying: "Come on guys, let's play so and so"
Then let them participate a little. You could let them dictate everything, you could ask for a set of rules to follow, or you could simply let them make one of the yes/no decisions.

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Am I supposed to introduce people to a game and then ask them for special rules or ways I should play it?

You could, but you're not obliged to do that.

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Or am I supposed play a game through normally giving an overview, pointing out fun and interesting aspects?

This is always a good thing. Pointing out fun stuff, hidden easter eggs, some overpowered attack that no one would normally consider, some books containing a rich history or a jab at the developers, and other interesting stuff like that enriches the LP.

- You can do a simple let's play where you just poll for the starting character and you do all else.
An easy example that comes to mind is a Fallout 2 LP that I read not long ago. People decided to try out the low intelligence road, and the main character was almost illiterate, they also wanted a melee weapons specialized bruiser. The player went through the entire game without asking for more info, and it was a huge success. For example, I had no idea that a low level character talking to other stupid NPCs sounds like an erudite scholar.

- You can stop at certain crossroads and say "which road do I take first?". Of course, you'll have to explain a bit about each road so people can choose the most fun/exciting/dangerous one.
An example of that is the Neverwinter Nights 2 LP, where they asked for not only the starting character , her alignment (lawful evil), and the general idea behind her behavior, but also how she should react to the different party members (influence stuff like in KOTOR 2). In open games, it's fairly common to stop at the end of a playthrough and ask where to go next, especially if there are a lot of options. For example, do we advance the main quest, do this subquest, explore that area, or go gamble in the tavern?


The first time is always a bit challenging, but from what I've seen if the updates are regular (once a week, or twice, according to your free time and internet availability), it's always a ton of fun.
#6 Jul 01 2009 at 5:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not sure I grasp the concepts. So, AAR can be fan fiction? LP is setting up challenges?

I think I've run into this before with some Kingdom of Loathing thread. People on the forums often take challenges (like Billy Pilgrim's recent 100% Teleportitis run) and document their journey, with other people chiming in, usually offering support. That would be LPing, right?

So other example of LPing would be...

1. A FFXII challenge to defeat the end boss with all your characters below level 3.
2. A Persona 3 FES challenge to beat the game without using any Personas but your original.
3. A RE:4 challenge of only using the knife and handgun.

Is that right?

And examples of AAP would be

1. Basically any summary/FAQ
2. A guide to a 100% Kingdom Hearts run
3. A guide to all the heroic dungeon achievements in WoW after you complete them all.


Again, just trying to get a handle on the concept. I think I get LPs (voluntary challenges, ho!), but AAR just sounds like guides and FAQs or even a summary of events. Like, writing up the "best" way to get "The Insane" title in WoW would be AAR?
#7 Jul 01 2009 at 5:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ok, reading through the links you provided, I'm understanding LP a bit better. Wow, that seems to take a while. I'm not sure WHY people would want to read it, though. I'm reading a Persona 3 one right now... and if the game takes 150 hours (judging by the writer's save files), and he's going almost scene by scene... ouch.

I mean, the commentary is entertaining, but here's my issue:

If you haven't played the game (and want to play):
This LPing spoils it for you. Afterwards you'll know the entire story, leaving very little of interest unless you can drastically change things (which you cannot in most games).

If you have played the game:
You already know what's going to happen for the most part; it's like rereading a book. A book that took you 150 hours to read in the first place. Also, the writer in this case has already played through the game, so now he's redoing it. Not too sure as to why?


So again, not sure what the point is and what I'm missing. It sounds like a cool concept, I'm just not sure to whom it should appeal.
#8 Jul 01 2009 at 5:55 AM Rating: Excellent
LockeColeMA wrote:
I'm not sure I grasp the concepts. So, AAR can be fan fiction? LP is setting up challenges?

Not quite. They're really quite similar. Think of them as... LP is when you get viewer participation, AAR is like a reviewer who played a game, documented it, took screenshots, posted about it, and gave his opinions.

Fiction can play a part, for example, in role playing some of the game instead of copy/pasting the quest text. Imagine a Hogger encounter, and instead of saying you attacked it and got your backside handed to you, you'll start by talking about your apprehensions, the courage it took you to get up to the beast, the sweat beading on your forehead as you locked swords (or maces) with the menace, etc... It's still the same encounter, but you get to invent some flavor text to enrich the report.

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I think I've run into this before with some Kingdom of Loathing thread. People on the forums often take challenges (like Billy Pilgrim's recent 100% Teleportitis run) and document their journey, with other people chiming in, usually offering support. That would be LPing, right?

Yes, that's a good example of LPing, another example, with much more participation, is the NWN2 LP I talked about. It's still ongoing, and a lot of fun.

There are many LPs for UFO, XCOM, and similar games. The only reader participation is forum posters volunteering to give their names to the poor slobs who are getting their heads blown off by alien plasma fire.

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So other example of LPing would be...

1. A FFXII challenge to defeat the end boss with all your characters below level 3.
2. A Persona 3 FES challenge to beat the game without using any Personas but your original.
3. A RE:4 challenge of only using the knife and handgun.

Is that right?


Yes and no, LPs don't necessarily have to have a challenge in them beyond finishing the game.
It really is enough to just keep the reader's input in mind while playing. Still, you don't have to do everything they ask, because sometimes people might ask you to do something that'll bug out your game, or make it unfun,

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And examples of AAR would be

1. Basically any summary/FAQ
2. A guide to a 100% Kingdom Hearts run
3. A guide to all the heroic dungeon achievements in WoW after you complete them all.


Those are on the button, yes. An AAR could be what a reviewer does to fully explain why he gave that game a 2 or a 10. Battlereports and realms beyond in my first post are great examples of sites that only do AARs. It's not interactive, the player plays, takes screenshots/FRAPS, puts down notes, and finally creates a post/review/column/essay and shows what he did, what he liked, what annoyed him, and how he overcame difficulties.

It is always better to talk in the first person when doing an AAR, you make it personal, instead of just another guide.

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Again, just trying to get a handle on the concept. I think I get LPs (voluntary challenges, ho!), but AAR just sounds like guides and FAQs or even a summary of events. Like, writing up the "best" way to get "The Insane" title in WoW would be AAR?


To simplify it a bit:
LP = interactive (challenges are optional)
AAR = non interactive (personal challenges are optional)
#9 Jul 01 2009 at 5:56 AM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
If you haven't played the game (and want to play):
This LPing spoils it for you. Afterwards you'll know the entire story, leaving very little of interest unless you can drastically change things (which you cannot in most games).

For many games this isn't really an issue. You can't exactly spoil a Super Mario Bros. storyline. I know it isn't an issue in my game. For some people story isn't that important and they don't care about spoilers.
LockeColeMA wrote:
So again, not sure what the point is and what I'm missing. It sounds like a cool concept, I'm just not sure to whom it should appeal.

Well I was tired and bored so I already finished half the start of mine. I might as well do the rest. Maybe it'll be tolerable?^^
#10 Jul 01 2009 at 6:09 AM Rating: Excellent
LockeColeMA wrote:
If you haven't played the game (and want to play):
This LPing spoils it for you. Afterwards you'll know the entire story, leaving very little of interest unless you can drastically change things (which you cannot in most games).


True, LPs, and AARs are in fact spoilers. If you haven't played a game and would like to play it one day, then reading the relevant LP is not a good idea, but if you don't think you'll ever buy it, and are still interested in it, then it's a godsend.

Also, as is the case with Neverwinter Nights 2, KOTOR 2, and Mass Effect, I often stop reading an LP once I'm sure I like the game enough to give it a try.

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If you have played the game:
You already know what's going to happen for the most part; it's like rereading a book. A book that took you 150 hours to read in the first place. Also, the writer in this case has already played through the game, so now he's redoing it. Not too sure as to why?


Well, I do reread most of my favorite books. Also, many times I've finished games knowing that I didn't explore everything, yet still the game wasn't fun enough for me to replay for the alternative scenarios (low replayability).

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So again, not sure what the point is and what I'm missing. It sounds like a cool concept, I'm just not sure to whom it should appeal.

Well it appeals to me Smiley: smile
I was the kid who, if he couldn't play a game, would look over his older brother's shoulder and watch, occasionally suggesting things. Even for the games I didn't like, I still felt like participating.
#11 Jul 01 2009 at 6:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Overlord danieldakkak wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
If you haven't played the game (and want to play):
This LPing spoils it for you. Afterwards you'll know the entire story, leaving very little of interest unless you can drastically change things (which you cannot in most games).


True, LPs, and AARs are in fact spoilers. If you haven't played a game and would like to play it one day, then reading the relevant LP is not a good idea, but if you don't think you'll ever buy it, and are still interested in it, then it's a godsend.

Also, as is the case with Neverwinter Nights 2, KOTOR 2, and Mass Effect, I often stop reading an LP once I'm sure I like the game enough to give it a try.

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If you have played the game:
You already know what's going to happen for the most part; it's like rereading a book. A book that took you 150 hours to read in the first place. Also, the writer in this case has already played through the game, so now he's redoing it. Not too sure as to why?


Well, I do reread most of my favorite books. Also, many times I've finished games knowing that I didn't explore everything, yet still the game wasn't fun enough for me to replay for the alternative scenarios (low replayability).

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So again, not sure what the point is and what I'm missing. It sounds like a cool concept, I'm just not sure to whom it should appeal.

Well it appeals to me Smiley: smile
I was the kid who, if he couldn't play a game, would look over his older brother's shoulder and watch, occasionally suggesting things. Even for the games I didn't like, I still felt like participating.


I get it more after reading your explanation and starting to read an LP on FF:T. It looks like fun! Might not do one myself, but I look forward to seeing what people come up with. Great idea, Daniel!
#12 Jul 01 2009 at 8:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Now I'm really getting into this LP aspect. "Ebony versus Ivory" (at the Talking time, let's play already link in Daniel's first post) is hilarious so far; and I've only read the black mage's first post! It's a thread chronicling a solo WHM versus a solo BLM FF1 run.

The first BLM post is
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What's worse, the IMPs he killed won't even cover his stay at the INN! Coneria charges an outrageous 30 GOLD! This paltry EXP isn't even enough to level him up! It's clear IKA isn't going to be able to fight his way to GARLAND, so he initiates Plan B: RUN FROM EVERYTHING.


Crap.


Crap.


Crap.


Crap.


.:lol:.

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Hahaha, it gets even better when the BLM gets to the Earth Cave:
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Back into the Earth Cave for round two! Fortunately I only have to cover B3 once on this trip.

Pic1
Dammit.

Pic2
Dammit!

Pic3
DAMMIT!

Pic4
OH COME ON YOU GUYS ALREADY HAD YOUR TURN.


I purposely did not include the pics (wah, no premium!), but I recommend checking out the site! http://www.gamespite.net/talkingtime/showthread.php?t=7745&page=11

Edited, Jul 1st 2009 2:08pm by LockeColeMA
#13 Jul 03 2009 at 2:43 AM Rating: Good
Something Awful has an entire Forum Dedicated to Let's Play.

Some of em' are pretty funny, too.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2009 6:43am by Omegavegeta
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#14 Jul 03 2009 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
Thanks Omegavegeta, I had already linked it in the main post.

If you find any other nice resources, I'd appreciate if you shared them.
#15 Jul 15 2009 at 5:05 AM Rating: Good
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I keep thinking more and more about this, but I think my issue is getting pictures of the game to do a "Let's Play!" It seems near impossible without using an emulator... taking pictures of my TV with a camera doesn't seem like it would look so good. I was thinking of a Dragonquest VIII LP, but I have it on the PS2 and I'm not sure how I would go about taking screenshots. Any ideas?

Edit: I was also really drunk last Wednesday and had a random thought that "I wonder if anyone did an LP for that Japanese rape game?" That would be potentially the most f*cked up, or hilarious, thing ever.

Edited, Jul 15th 2009 9:05am by LockeColeMA
#16 Jul 15 2009 at 5:11 AM Rating: Good
I know nothing at all about the PS2. All the gaming I've done has been on the PC. Hope someone else has a better answer.
#17 Jul 15 2009 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
Update, I had some time to do a little research, and this is what I found on the PS2 screenshotting process...

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/54896 wrote:

yes,you have to connect the ps2 first to your pc through a TV card and play the game through your pc monitor.(Of course it means you must have the pc turned on as well!)then you can even take videos directly from the ps2 into your hard drive!

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