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#1 Mar 09 2009 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
I came across this article : linky.

For me, I started playing the ff games in the wrong order .. I was introduced to the girly X-2 , then played FFXI, and now I'm about halfway through playing FFVII. I quite like it so far, I remember many friends telling me 'You MUST play it, its the BEST game ' but, I haven't played enough of it to see that yet .
#2 Mar 09 2009 at 8:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes.

Also, my first FF was FFX, and I still love that game despite the main character.
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#3 Mar 09 2009 at 9:04 AM Rating: Decent
Heck no, it's a great game and for me still the best FF game I've played. (which would be about all of them)

There's no denying that it being the first one of the series that I've played did influence my feelings on it though, but even after playing FF VI I still prefer the VII.

#4 Mar 09 2009 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
It's overrated in the sense that people beat it to death by talking about it nonstop, which kind of ruined the game for a lot of people. In terms of quality, it is not overrated. Is it worth such a following that there are 3,180,000 results on Google for "Sephiroth?" (not counting XSephirothX or other variations) No, not really. In terms of an RPG must-play it is excellent.
#5 Mar 09 2009 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
The first I played was VIII and I didn't enjoy VII a lot. The story seemed so stupid and characters didn't seem to have any persona. I think it's overrated.
#6 Mar 09 2009 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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I completely agree, Doug.

The game isn't bad, but people are so hopped up on Cloud and Sephiroth that they dilute the game for so many people. It did wonders for the FF franchise by bringing into the next generation of consoles.

#7 Mar 09 2009 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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FFVII is the quintessential overrated game; not even Halo has overtaken it yet.
#8 Mar 09 2009 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
Yes.

I think it's one of the better ones in the series, but I'm more of a fan of the SNES games and FF9 myself. All in all, I think the Final Fantasy series in general is a little overrated. Many people out there consider themselves hardcore RPGers and won't even touch games not made by Square. Myself, I didn't know much outside of Square games until I stumbled across Lunar and later Fallout, Suikoden and Star Ocean. those opened up my eyes to the fact that there's a lot of great RPGs out there that weren't made by Square.
#9 Mar 09 2009 at 12:57 PM Rating: Excellent
I don't think the FF series are so much overrated as other series are underrated. Games like Legend of Dragoon, Xenosaga, Grandia, Radiata Stories, Chrono Trigger/Cross, and especially Dark Cloud/Dark Cloud 2 are all fantastic and yet mostly ignored (not so much on the Chrono series).

There are a lot of fantastic RPGs for the PS/PS2 but all you ever hear about are the FF's. My collection so far:

PS2:
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XII
Grandia III
Xenosaga
Xenosaga II
Xenosaga III
Rogue Galaxy
Kingdom Hearts
Kingdom Hearts II
Dragon Quest VIII
Dark Cloud
Dark Could II
Wild Arms III
Dragon Quarter

PS:
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX
Chrono Cross
Legend of Dragoon

Feel free to suggest any I'm missing, they're a bargain anymore, almost all of these were under $20 and a lot were under $15.
#10 Mar 09 2009 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Feel free to suggest any I'm missing, they're a bargain anymore, almost all of these were under $20 and a lot were under $15.


Caps for my favorites.

PS1:
Star Ocean (2): The Second Story (First game was on the Super Famicom only, but there's an English remake on the PSP now. You don't need to play them in order to know what's going on. There's also a good fan translation patch for the Super Famicom ROM out there. There was an anime series made out of the first half of Star Ocean 2.)
Wild Arms was alright...
Suikoden (You don't need to play this series in order either as it's not in chronological order, but I'd recommend playing 1, 2 and 3 in that order because you can import save info from your memory card after beating one and have the next one start with bonuses.)
SUIKODEN II (Best in the series IMO)
LUNAR: Silver Star Story Complete, and Eternal Blue Complete. (These are complete remakes of the old Sega CD games.)
Arc the Lad Collection (This comes with the first 3 games in the series. ARC THE LAD II is the best in the series and they even made an okay anime series out of it.)
Some people liked SaGa Frontier. I found it too unfocused to actually finish any character's storyline.
Front Mission 3 (another series that doesn't need you to pick up at the beginning (the first 2 games were on the Super Famicom.)
Parasite Eve
Vagrant Story
BREATH OF FIRE III (I'm guessing that you've played this since Dragon Quarter is on your list.)
Breath of Fire IV
BRAVE FENCER MUSASHI
XENOGEARS (If you haven't played Xenogears, but you've played Xenosaga all the way through, you'll be seeing familiar stuff that seems slightly strange all the way through. I played Xenogears first, and I swear I still thought that there was a chance that Namco might have secretly bought the rights to make it a Xenogears prequel up until about an hour before I beat episode 3. I figured I knew what would happen to KOS-MOS at the end of the series from the moment Shion entered her password at the beginning of episode 1 because I had played Xenogears first. I was wrong though. Anyway, if you play Xenogears, make sure to watch the opening video again after you beat it. There's a ton of stuff there that you will notice that you won't recognize until you've beaten it.)

PS2:
Suikoden III
Suikoden IV was not that great IMO, but it has its moments.
Suikoden V (Only slightly less awesome than 2 IMO. It incorporates pretty much all the best stuff from the previous games.)
Front Mission 4 was pretty good from the little bit I got to play of it, but they changed some things that I liked better in 3.
Star Ocean (3): Til the End of Time

Anyway, there's some stuff to look over. Now I have a question. I thought about picking up Rogue Galaxy before my PS2 went stupid on me. I like Skies of Arcadia and Baten Kaitos, and it looks kind of like those. My question is does it play like or feel like any other RPGs I have listed? I'm curious if it's worth picking up once I can play PS2 games again.

Edited, Mar 9th 2009 3:36pm by LadyOfHolyDarkness
#11 Mar 09 2009 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
In regards to the link the OP posted:

I agree that Final Fantasy VII is indeed overrated. However, most of the people questioned in that article are extremists on both sides of the spectrum and have no place there.

On one hand, you have the people who would love it no matter what Square did to the storyline. They are the fanboys, who love it and will always love it. On the other hand, in that article you also have the people who are determined to hate it, no matter how good it is. And it is a good game, no matter how you cut it. One of the best, though? Maybe not. I think they went about that article all wrong. Instead of having extremists, they should have thrown whatever they knew about the game out of the window and taken a critical look at the game like it was the first time they had ever played it. They should have given it a full review like it was just released, and nobody knew what to expect.

Another thing that bugged me was how they kept referring to "better" Final Fantasy games, like IV and VI. I've never played VI personally, but I don't think IV was that good at all. At least, the DS remake wasn't.

What I'm saying is that you shouldn't judge FFVII based on that article. They went about it all wrong. It was like putting an extreme democrat and an extreme republican in the same room and hoping they could agree on stem cell research, health care, and gay marriage all at the same time.

It just doesn't work.
#12 Mar 09 2009 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
Rogue Galaxy is unique, I'm having a hard time comparing it to anything I've played. I would say it's worth it, especially used, it's usually really cheap.

I can't believe I forgot Vagrant Story, love that game Smiley: thumbsup
#13 Mar 09 2009 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
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I think it was a great game....for its time. While the graphics in some games age alright I think the graphics in this game are awful by today's standards. Even the CGI cut scenes by modern standards are kind of lacking.

I don't know how far into the game you are but for me I did not start to become impressed with the game until I... well I don't want to give away spoilers so I will just say about 6 or 7 hours into the game. I was in your situation however this was back in 1999 so it didn't seem as ugly to look at back then. I bought the game for like $10 and prob got about 2 or 3 hours into it and didn't care much for it at all. By the time I was about 6 hours into it I couldn't stop playing it though. IT also depends on what you expect out of a RPG. IF your looking for some sort of amazing and unique battle system or boss battles you won't find it in FF7. If your looking for a very well told story with twists and turns you will find it with this game.

Personally I think Final Fantasy X was better then FF7 although I rate them both as great games. But I am the type of person who doesn't mind long cut scenes as long as it is telling a good story and its something I think both games do really well.

The thing I remember about FF7 it the story kind started out kinda meh. I mean you with a group of people blowing stuff up in the city to try and save the planet. I can tell you by the end of the story there will be alot more going on and that it does become very interesting.

Also if you liked Final Fantasy X-2 you should really pick Final Fantasy X up. It was alot better then X2 and once again told a really interesting story. Shoot within about an hour I was hooked on the story with that game. If you don't like alot of cutscenes and story telling sections you might not like it though.
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#14 Mar 09 2009 at 8:41 PM Rating: Excellent
I will say this about FFVII: It's the reason I bought a used PlayStation with the first paycheck I ever got. I remember the first time I saw the game was at MediaPlay, and they had it on a big display that was made up of 9 30ish inch TVs in a 3x3 pattern. I only got to play 5 minutes of it, but I was impressed by how the spells looked.

Anyway, I got the PC version for my 17th birthday and it locked up during cutscenes on my crappy old Win95 Packard Bell. I had to install it on a friend's computer to get past the scene where the Weapons all take off at the crater (it kept freezing on Ultimate Weapon's face), and then I couldn't get past the scene where everyone's standing on the ground talking for a moment either before or after (I can't remember) fighting Diamond Weapon. It didn't freeze there, but it wouldn't load the next scene, so all I could do was run around off-screen and open my menu.

So, I got a job and bought a PlayStation... and they were out of memory cards at the shop where I bought my PlayStation, so I figured I'd keep the PlayStation on until I could buy one the next day. The trouble was, I had never got Vincent before, and I decided to use him. Long story short, I didn't know that using Vincent's level 1 limit break on the boss at the Nibelheim reactor when the rest of your party is dead equals game over due to fire absorption... So I played all the way to Nibelheim without saving, only to get a game over and start over.


BTW, thanks for the response Wint.

Edited, Mar 9th 2009 10:51pm by LadyOfHolyDarkness
#15 Mar 10 2009 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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It's probably my second least favorite of the series, but it's okay. Never been a huge fan, but it's okay.

I'd put even the hated 8 and 9 well above 7. I might put 5 below 7 simply because of the lack of character development, even if it did have a fantastic job system.
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On a serious note, it's the first game I bought for the PS1. The PS1 is bought second-handed from a "friend". I got them sometime around 2002 or so, not at its release (I sided with the N64 at the time). I asked a friend if it is any good, and he said it is. So when I got it and played it, I enjoyed it very much. When the game was new and I sided with Zelda 64, I've seen a bunch of avatars of Cloud, Aeris, and Sephiroth across forums that I felt curious about. I'm glad the curiosity is gotten over with, although late.
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#17 Mar 10 2009 at 9:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's probably my second least favorite of the series, but it's okay. Never been a huge fan, but it's okay.

I'd put even the hated 8 and 9 well above 7. I might put 5 below 7 simply because of the lack of character development, even if it did have a fantastic job system.


I've heard a lot of bashing of 8, but not so much 9. 9 was fun, although I'm still pissed that my last cd got really scratched, so I couldn't watch the ending after the final boss. Smiley: mad
I enjoyed 7 a lot. I need to buy it actually, as that one belonged to my brother, and I've been wanting to play through it again. It's hard to call it overrated, as that term has some really negative connotations of the game not really being good yet having lots of hype surrounding it. It was a good game, but there's just so many bloody Cloud and Sepiroth name mutations out there. And also, I always enjoyed Tactics better anyway. My opinion may be tinted by the fact that it was the very first Final Fantasy I played, but whatever.


One RPG that I don't hear a lot about but really enjoyed is Shadow Hearts and its sequal, Shadow Hearts:Covenant.

#18 Mar 10 2009 at 11:45 PM Rating: Good
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VII was good. It didn't deserve the hype it gets, but it was good.

VI and IV easily deserve the hype and I would kill someone for a movie(or anime series) based on either of them.
#19 Mar 11 2009 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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VI and IV easily deserve the hype and I would kill someone for a movie(or anime series) based on either of them.
QFT. I see potential in a movie for both, it comes down to having it done right.
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#20 Mar 11 2009 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
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Definite possibilities for a FFIV/VI movie. They could flesh out more of the back story with some of the characters. There was a short FFV anime series too. It was a bit silly, but still worth watching.
#21 Mar 11 2009 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
FFVI would work better as a several weeks long SciFi Channel miniseries than a movie IMO.
#22 Mar 11 2009 at 8:29 PM Rating: Good
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I think I'm one of the few people who liked ff8 and it's draw system a lot. :>
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#23 Mar 11 2009 at 8:41 PM Rating: Good
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LadyOfHolyDarkness, Eater of Souls wrote:
FFVI would work better as a several weeks long SciFi Channel miniseries than a movie IMO.


I agree. Or an anime.

After Legend of the Seeker, I have little faith in live action Series/Miniseries.
#24 Mar 11 2009 at 8:42 PM Rating: Good
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I think a lot of people that bash 8 are just jumping on the bandwagon. I never found any real problems with the draw system outside of how abusable it was. I remember stacking 100 Deaths and with the GF's ability to add magic to attacks I went to the islands of heaven and hell and just one shot all the level 100s.
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LadyOfHolyDarkness, Eater of Souls wrote:
FFVI would work better as a several weeks long SciFi Channel miniseries than a movie IMO.


I agree. Or an anime.

After Legend of the Seeker, I have little faith in live action Series/Miniseries.


An anime would also be fine as long as they don't follow the story closely for the first half and then go out into right field for the second half (and add an entirely different final bad guy who was never in the game) like they did with the one made from Arc the Lad II or only cover the first half of the story like in Star Ocean EX, or change the story to omit or add characters to story arcs like in Xenosaga: The Animation.

Come to think of it, Star Ocean EX doesn't follow the game too well in the last episode of season 1 (the only season), but I guess they thought that making ALL Nedians seem evil and having Gabriel/Indalecio be responsible for Rena's growing up on Expel would make for a more exciting season ending than how it went down in-game... especially since they didn't make a second season.

Bottom line is, they need to follow the story. Speaking of miniseries, I liked how closely SciFi followed Dune, but when they made Children of Dune... They basically followed Messiah fairly close and totally screwed up Children and decided to hardly follow the story at all (from what I can remember). If they follow the story, and do good casting, a miniseries could work. It'll probably never happen anyway though.

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I think a lot of people that bash 8 are just jumping on the bandwagon. I never found any real problems with the draw system outside of how abusable it was. I remember stacking 100 Deaths and with the GF's ability to add magic to attacks I went to the islands of heaven and hell and just one shot all the level 100s.


My favorite part of the game is that ONE area where you get to have Edea in your party because with a 100 Death status attack it looks like she is killing things by waving her hand at them.

Edited, Mar 12th 2009 12:54am by LadyOfHolyDarkness
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Siesen the Meaningless wrote:
I think a lot of people that bash 8 are just jumping on the bandwagon. I never found any real problems with the draw system outside of how abusable it was. I remember stacking 100 Deaths and with the GF's ability to add magic to attacks I went to the islands of heaven and hell and just one shot all the level 100s.


Leveling made that game 100 times harder than it needed to be. If you did it right, you could beat the game easily without passing level 25ish. And it made all the fights tons easier.
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