Mass Effect, I'm not even sure I can enjoy it.Follow

This is why I said you skimmed instead of read. There is zero contradiction between my post and the statement "Mass Effect is a great game."

My issue with Mass Effect is not that it was a bad game, I never said it was. My issue is that it could have easily been a much better game. All of you have been defending it by taking my complaints and saying "Yeah, but the rest of the game is good." I never said the rest of the game wasn't good, but the issues I'm complaining about make the game worse, not better, and are easily fixed.

It hurt my enjoyment of the game a lot because what I expected from Mass Effect was an RPG done right, but what I got was an RPG done well. The developers failed to notice some of the core problems of the genre, but simply improved on areas where other RPGs were merely mediocre.

As a side note you probably listed 3 of the worst reviewers in the industry. Gamespot and IGn give high ratings to whoever pays them the most and G4TV preaches to a crowd of casual college gamers to garner ratings.

Not really.

I also had complaints about Mass Effect (hai2u mako, repetitive exploration, lack of often shopping, lack of towns and npcs on non core planets and more) but it's just difficult to fathom the things that you find wrong with it as negatively affecting my enjoyment, and in some cases, they add to it. It's not that the rest of the game makes up for these bad things; it's that I don't see them as bad things.

Is this a joke? Honestly?



Mass Effect doesn't do this.



Yeah, because having hidden items throughout the games ******* SUCK. In fact, when I beat a game, I want it to just HAND me everything I didn't find, so I can save my game with 100% completion and never play it again.



Major problem with this:
It doesn't really matter.
All of your characters gain exp at the same time, whether you're using them or not, and when any of those 3 major characters die, all the equipment they had is returned to you. Would you prefer to play games in which major characters CAN'T die?



You don't NEED it unless you want to keep Wrex, which you don't NEED to do. If your characters personality (defined by YOU, I might add) is simply completely antisocial, you can't expect Wrex to survive. You're not going to have the Charisma or personality to talk him out of his decision, and you're not going to be able to intimidate him if, again, it doesn't suit your characters personality.



If it annoys you, use one of the preset faces and skip it. Since the player takes on the role of the main character, they add immersion to it. There's nothing wrong with it, at all, and it adds a deeper level of customization and characterization.



Your background doesn't affect the outcome of the game THAT much. It's a very, very basic decision: Do you want to be an *******, or a good guy? And you know what? It doesn't take any research to pick the right one. The developers assume you're not a total ******* ****** and that your character is going to (gasp) STAY IN CHARACTER! It only matters if you pick a more paragon-oriented choice and then proceed on the Renegade track. And guess what? Even then...you can still get the Achievement for max Paragon or Renegade!


Again, it doesn't matter if you got 1 ******* renegade point in the very beginning of the gain. Oh, and for the record:
A paragon would likely be more compassionate and lenient (especially with Joker, but you'd know that if you'd play more then 15 minutes in), whereas a Renegade is more likely simply to be a douche.



Oh. You seem to be picking a lot of Renegade options. Maybe you should just pick the ******* Renegade track and stop QQing about how excellent games have flaws, when in reality you're just retarded.


What good games do this where the choice is not either completely and totally obvious (for the ending), or part of the plot development (character's dying)? Almost every game I've played that has multiple endings has them based off of 2 things: either game completion (as in completion percentage), or the difficulty (beat Kingdom Hearts II on Proud mode for example, and you unlock an extended ending).


No, you don't.


It doesn't force you to do it at all. I got the game last Christmas, and on my first playthrough I kept Wrex and maxed Paragon (I even got some Renegade points in there...OH NOES RESTART THE GAME).


No. They. Don't.

The new Darkdoomstfu?

This thread made me start playing through the game again. I'm on number 4 now, 35/45 achievements, going for 39.

I.. I don't know if I can stop myself.



Most recent game with about 95% completed took me 15 hours. First game 35, second 25. A bare bones run would probably only take 7 or so now, but I'm trying to get the "use x character for most of the game achievements" so I have to do all of the quests.

If I ever do the hardcore and insane levels I'll probably eschew the sidequests.

Edited, Dec 25th 2008 3:57am by Pensive

Read again. Nowhere did I call Allegory wrong. I called Pensive right, which isn't the same thing. Drink bleach tool.

Also: My earlier post must have been eaten but here it is -


I agree with Allegory. Up to the point where I just stopped playing when Wrex died because I didn't magically come into knowing what was going to happen and prepare by putting points into charisma. I thought, and silly me, that my points were best utilized in the art of combat, and really Wrex should have respected me for that rather then calling him a sweetie pie or yelling at him.


I also refuse to play through some of the god awful missions I finished for the story which dissappointed me by killing of my favorite character and then having the gall to tell me "Well you should of planned ahead for Ashley being such a dumb broad."

Wikipedia defines this word as: So you are admitting I'm right? I'm glad we agree.


I am not commenting on his choice of games. rather the three minute mark about the word subjective.

I don't remember much of the game now but from what I remember, you land on the planet, pick your allies, get to the next checkpoint, cutscene, your ship is there. You talk to people, Wrex dies. You can not leave this place once you have entered. God help you if you didn't save before hand. I don't remember the game telling me "Oh hey, Ashley is going to shoot Wrex. Go complete some more missions and put points into charisma to avoid this".


I have never understood one thing in any game that chooses your interaction (through dialogue) as plot development. Mostly because what I'll refer to as Mass Effect Syndrome. You have, let's say 4 choices. They span the range from yes to no. I don't blame them for not adding in more, I mean seriously that's alot of space. None of these four options DO ANYTHING. That's right, unless I put my points in a seperate ability I can't move the plot along any differently than how it plays out by default. YOU PUT POINTS INTO A SKILL SO THE PLOT MOVES HOW YOU WANT IT. That shouldn't take points, that should be there from the start. I shouldn't have to put points into a skill to have a chance at a different plot. I have no idea what this could come in handy for.



I am sorry if this was kind of a messy post, it's 4 AM.

Call me ignorant, but you are either using the word wrong or you're simply being pompous. What I said, to Kastigir, was that announcing Allegory wrong (implied) does not make him wrong. It'd be a platitude if he showed that he understood this concept in his posts. But he doesn't, so live with it.